Ford cj, and nhra at it again!!!!
 

Once again they just don't care about anybody but themselfs, The 2008 CJ'S are rated at 439hp and the new and inproved 2010 CJ'S are in the books now at 435hp. why don't they just come out and tell everybody with an old car to stay home or just remove the old cars from the guild. Thats what they want anyway. Even at there current HP they can run deep in the 9's in A/SA trim and mid to low 9's in AA/SA trim witch is about 4 to 5 tens faster than any old combo out there.

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Cry cry cry that is all you people know how to do on this board. I will let you in on a little fact about STK and SS, they have never been fair and will never be fair. God for bid a new combo be light to start with. If a combo was not somewhat light to start with who would build one? Look at all the LS1 and what they were rated at 8 years ago. Heck Randy Wilkes just went 10.18 in B/SA (even after all the HP hits) talk about a combo that was light to start with. How come people like John Shaul and Jimmy Defrank are not bitc$ing about these new cars. These are two of the fastest cars in A and AA and yet I do not hear them crying about the new CJ's & DP cars week after week.

RULER do you even have a race car (that fits SS or STK)? Try using you real name next time.

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Charlie,
The man makes an honest point. nhra is supposed to rate these cars fairly. It is very obvious to everyone in the auto sports world that they are not. Now you can come on here and whine all you want about people who do not agree with you or the nhra but it isn't going to change what is going on here. You should ask nhra to comment on your remarks about the system not being fair. I don't think you'll find anyone at nhra who will publicly embrace the concept of a racing organization producing unfair rules for it's competitors. How's the Mustang project coming a long?

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Bruce -- You're right -- its not going to change -- the system has worked this way from the days of the '57 Chevies with Fuel Injection and Hydro sticks right thru the days of the 1980's Oldsmobile 307 cars and into ninties with the LT and LS1 engines And now we have the Mustang's to contend with ............no brand stays on top forever .

BTW , is this really you writing ? A new kinder , gentler version perhaps .....................

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I don't remember reading that in the rule book. I believe that the HP submitted it is up to the manufacturer. I don't believe that it says they have to be fair either.

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Bruce how is the CJ rated any different than other cars in the past? Most combos are soft to start with what is the big deal. Our sport has needed a shot in the arm like this for many years now and between the CJ and DP cars that just what we have gotten. You guys don’t see the big picture and how this will help our sport grow for years to come.

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As I was informed by an individual at NHRA. Ford knows how to play the game.
You all got that. Now what are you all going to do about it. Nothing. And Ford knows it and so does NHRA. Ford knows how to play the game. Game, Set, Match.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA I have to watch for Caddy's

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Guys,
I really don't care about the past record of nhra competitor abuses. Just because people got away with abuse of power in the past does not mean they are entitled to get away with it today. The rules of any organization are fair game for debate and no amount of bluster can cover the smell of foul rules. Not in today's world.

Since it is really no big deal to you guys, why don't we ask nhra to publish a statement that says: nhra does not pretend or intend to treat all Sportsman competitors fairly. I'm sure they will rush this little diddy to the presses.

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Charley,
Why don't you show us all of this positive press we're all getting from the new cars? Outside of Ford, NHRA, and to a lesser extent, Mopar, there hasn't been any. Further, show us all the added money and support we're all getting, because no one else has been able to do that, either.

Car counts are down, payouts are down, we're losing races and tracks in Division 2, and there hasn't been any good news in quite some time.

The big picture? You mean the continual drop in contingency payouts? Or the new "environmental fees"? Or the increase in entry, certification, license, and membership fees? Or the lack of purse increases? Or the poor track prep?

No one is buying it. The new cars are not bringing thousands, hundreds, or even dozens of new spectators. Very few are being built or bought by new participants. They aren't bringing more coverage from any form of media, either.

So we have these new cars. So, did NHRA increase the quotas for Stock or Super Stock substantially? No, but they added two new classes. Is that the "big picture"?

Charley, people like you keep telling us all to be grateful for what the new cars are bringing us, and to look at the "big picture". But so far, none of you have been able to present the slightest evidence of this improvement of the "big picture". By all means, show us all the facts about all of this wonderful improvement we're getting, I'm sure we're all ready for some good news.

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It is up to NHRA to accept, reject, or revise the rating. There's nothing in the submission process that says NHRA has to take any OEM at their word, either.

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This is true, just ask Jeff about the ratings on the Dodge truck he tried to run in Stock! It was hit so bad before they even finished it that the Cajun Boys scrapped the whole project! What a shame. Jim

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This is so true even the 08 Mustangs are scarce this year. The only way this would help the sportman racers if the Auto companies would give a few of these cars the racers who do the best job of representing them! Sorta like the Oldsmobile days.

Ralph

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By all the bad mouthing of NHRA on this site I must be led to believe IHRA has the CJs factored fairly. Is that correct?

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IHRA is not a prestigious enough Venue for some folk’s consideration. It’s a shame you can’t run one in IHRA Pure Stock though, way too cool as they are factory produced. Let’s see the last time a Pure Stocker qualified No. 1 it had HP on it before it left the scales. Wouldn’t take long there.

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Ralph,

Ford has supported many Sportsman teams with parts and pieces, deals on parts and cars, and with contingency, which it pays on any Ford, regardless of year or model. Plus, I believe it offers X-plan on new Ford vehicles to NHRA racers. So every Ford racer has the opportunity to benefit from Ford's involvement.

Evan

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Evan I know you suport Ford fully and uderstand you need to cause f your magzine deal. But X-plan is not big deal, it is .04% over dealer cost. Now take a $20,000 vehicle that is $800.00 over dealer cost I can walk into any Dealer ( Ford, Chrysler, GM in my area and buy for $250.00 over dealer cost. So it still cost me $550 to use X plan and a lot of rebates do not apply to Employee & X- Plan purchases. If it were a new Super Dutyr with a deler cost of $40,000 that would be $1,600 over DC so X plan would cost me $1,350.00 to use X plan.. Now if you were talking employee pricing that is .04% below dealer cost. That would be a real saving. Never forget the Auto Companies are doing it for what is best for them for as little $$ as they can get away with. As far a Contingency you have to win to collect and if you don't they keep the money I am talking real support.



Ford has supported many Sportsman teams with parts and pieces, deals on parts and cars, and with contingency, which it pays on any Ford, regardless of year or model. Plus, I believe it offers X-plan on new Ford vehicles to NHRA racers. So every Ford racer has the opportunity to benefit from Ford's involvement.

Evan[/QUOTE]

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Put them in a CJ class only, and that's that! Just like the Hemi's.

Casey Miles
248H

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charlie i don't think the defranks would ever bitch on this board PLUS i think they just took delivery of there new FORD this week

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Harry 6674;172407]By all the bad mouthing of NHRA on this site I must be led to believe IHRA has the CJs factored fairly. Is that correct?

You Bet Ya! IHRA put the little monsters in Fuel Injected classes.

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All the "new" 08 CJ and 09 DP are in AA FI index of 10.85 7.5 pd break all by themselves....has anyone run one in the IHRA?

They seem to fit better in SS in the IHRA.

Just my observation

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How many of the '08 Cj owners are going to cry when they have to run a '10 heads up with, which has a bigger supercharger. Stepped on their own combo by Ford!

Casey Miles
248H

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I thought that the big supercharger is on the 500 HP version? (Super Stock only)

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What does putting them in a FI class have to do with correct factoring? All that does is protect the the classic combos from heads up runs. They have to run them before they are going to get hit.

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IHRA properly classified these cars by putting them into the AA and A Fuel Injected classes. IHRA showed a lot of class by putting the new cars in a place where they can sort out their real power potential while not taking an unfair advantage of a large portion of the racers. Not looking for perfection here just a fair shake for as many racers as possible.

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Interesting marketing... wouldn't Ford be embarrassed to advertise that their purpose-built supercharged race car only made 435 HP? :rolleyes:

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Yea, I'm sure Mullally and all of the other execs are lying awake at night. It's only a little 281 cubic inch motor. Get over it.

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I totaly agree that the new fords are way out there, and something should be done about it! The problem i have here is that you people are tearing eachothers throats out, and for what? Charley comes off a little strong here, but the thing that i would look at is that some one is still thinking about sportsman drag racing, maybe not the individual racer, but as a whole. They could have spent the money and time in nascar, or road racing! As long as their is still interest in stock, and super stock we still have a chance to grow. Now the poweres to be may not be helping that, but neither is killing each other over it! Just my thoughts!

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actually it is 331 cubic inch motor, you are thinking of the 4.6 instead of the 5.4

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Ralph, I'm sorry you are not happy with X-plan. You are right in that you can most often get a better deal, but at least there is something in place to help racers. In the Olds days, the economy was ripe, and it's a different world now. Olds gave away bodies, not complete race cars. Ford is doing the same for some racers. All I'm saying is that Ford is helping racers.

"The only way this would help the sportman racers if the Auto companies would give a few of these cars the racers who do the best job of representing them! Sorta like the Oldsmobile days."

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Can we finance a CJ through Ford motor company?

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So the ford guys think it's OK to rate the 2010 less than the 2008, then why is a 396/375 rated at 399hp iron head in a 1967 thru 1969 camaro, also the same rating in a nova and also the same in a chevelle witch by the way aint fair for thoses guys. Come on tell me why

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Had a convertible run stock last year at US 131 Michigan. Stick car and dipped into the 9's .No complaints from any racer .

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Uh.......correct me if I'm wrong 'cause I'm just a lowly FoMoCo guy, but wasn't the 396/375 originally rated at 425 HP by GM? :confused:

I guess it was OK for them to drop 50 HP without changing anything but the oil filter. LOL

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Hey Alex!!!

You also forgot to mention that the Cobra-Jet Fe 428 was rated at 335 too!!!!!!!!!!

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Did I read somewhere here awhile back that said that all '08 and '010 CJ's w/iron block motor will now run AA/S, and that the 475 rated all-alum block '010 Super CJ is to run SS/B, or did I dream that? Please correct me if needed....WJ

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Actually, the 396/425 was a 65 Corvette engine, with a different carburetor, among other things. If you look in the blueprint guide, there's a difference in the cam as well.

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Carb is the same size.
Cam is a touch larger on the 396/375.
Big deal?
It was still 425HP and then GM reduced it to 375 "playing the game".
Insurance and sanctioning body game that is.
If I had a nickel for every chebbie friend I had as a kid that owned a 396/375 anything and bragged about how it is really a 425 HP I would be a wealthy man. :p

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As they say down south - the sun never shines on the same dog's ***** all the time. 15 years from now the guys whoopin' on everyone now will be upset because someone else is using new technology to scream down the track faster than they can.

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Rofl.....I cant wait to see everyones face when the Camaro 3.5's get changed over and are running 500hp+ on a 6 then VVT and DI will be lamented. New technology that will give you a heart attack.

I would LOVE to build one next (a camaro 3.5) LOVE to......

I told the old man when the DP is running fast in a month or two we need to stop at Sams club and buy an economy sized thing of Kleenex single packets to hand out to all the people crying.

Two comments were made on that, 1 half the people whining and crying dont and wont even be racing in competiton with these DP and CJ's and the second, the same people complaining would run one in a heartbeat and not give a rats *** about their own objections if Ford or Mopar gave them one to run...

Glad its not the DP's and me being derided for a change....lol

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The cars are what they are and bitching won't change that.

Just like every new combination, in a while the HP will hit them and sooner or later the HP will be more realistic.

This is the way it's been since '64 when I started. All the manufacturer's always fudged on HP ratings and sooner or later it came out all right.

Personally I think both the Dodges and CJ's should be in SS due to the limited no.'s made and the fact that they were never produced in that exact version for the street.

These cars should follow the same path as the '68 Hemi A bodies, the '65 A990 cars, the '64 aluminum Hemi cars, '64 Z11 Chevys, etc, all went straight to SS.

Will these cars hurt or help Stock.....naw, only we can effect the eliminator not the cars.

JimR