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Jim Wahl 03-06-2010 01:56 PM

Ooops! Somebody Just Got HP!
 
1 3634 R/SA Dave Campolito, Salem OH, '96 Caprice 12.769 14.05 -1.281

3.25% come Monday! Somebody had to be the first under the new indexes. Jim

From Atlanta

RJ 03-06-2010 02:34 PM

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May not be an "Ooops!" at all, maybe he just likes to go fast.

Mike Carr 03-06-2010 02:41 PM

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Third time that combo has been hit in less than a year (twice by Dave, once by Corbitt Marshburn). Two pretty stout cars.

thomas sheehan 03-06-2010 03:20 PM

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Jim

Is it -1.25 or -1.30 gets automatic hp?
I can't remember.

Tony Janes 03-06-2010 03:21 PM

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1.25 gets horsepower.

Jim Wahl 03-06-2010 05:05 PM

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-1.25 gets HP now. Jim

Travis Miller 03-06-2010 07:57 PM

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For those wanting to read about and save for it future reference, here is the article from NHRA.com dated 12/18/2009 concerning the new indexes and how they effect the AHFS.

http://www.nhra.net/content/sportsman_news.asp?articleid=39436&zoneid=85

Travis

(Disclaimer: Opinions and references expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions and references.)

Marty Buth 03-08-2010 04:51 PM

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Did Dave set the R/SA record with this run?

Bruce Witherspoon 03-08-2010 05:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Buth (Post 173760)
Did Dave set the R/SA record with this run?

Not sure now that I think of it.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r=100#indextop

art leong 03-08-2010 05:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Buth (Post 173760)
Did Dave set the R/SA record with this run?

No the only stock/superstock record was SS/GS

mopar jeff 03-08-2010 05:48 PM

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Would it be true then, that if you set a record, you will get an automatic horsepower adjustment?

Ed Fernandez 03-08-2010 06:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mopar jeff (Post 173770)
Would it be true then, that if you set a record, you will get an automatic horsepower adjustment?

only if you go faster than 1.25 under the index.

T/SA index 14.40.You set the record at 12.16.you're 1.24 under.You get record but no hp.BUT,if i understand correctly,at 1.00 NHRA looks at all the runs for your engine combo,I think still body specific,and your combo can get hit depending on what the class average is.

Mark Yacavone 03-08-2010 07:16 PM

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Correct. It has to be1.25 with an O under.
We went -1.246 on the V/SA backup run (no hp), but the record is 1.25 under (14.25), because they go by the second digit on records.
And that looked like I knew what I was doing , but really ,it was s**t luck.

Chris "drooze" Wertman 03-08-2010 07:24 PM

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Regarding this and HP, Im a little confused, I have heard the "horror" stories like Art Leong getting smacked with it by the truckload.

What is the MAX they can add at once ?

Is there Instant HP trackside and what does that take ? As well how much is it, and additionaly are you then up for review and able to get smacked again all because of the same run ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 173795)
Correct. It has to be1.25 with an O under.
We went -1.246 on the V/SA backup run (no hp), but the record is 1.25 under (14.25), because they go by the second digit on records.
And that looked like I knew what I was doing , but really ,it was s**t luck.


Ed Fernandez 03-08-2010 08:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by drooze (Post 173798)
Regarding this and HP, Im a little confused, I have heard the "horror" stories like Art Leong getting smacked with it by the truckload.

What is the MAX they can add at once ?

Is there Instant HP trackside and what does that take ? As well how much is it, and additionaly are you then up for review and able to get smacked again all because of the same run ?

Campolito and Marshburn are a two man wrecking crew on HP for the Impala SSes.
Speaking of wrecking a record:
Artie was hit over the head with HP because he went around 2.00 under at Atco.I was there.We had a good laugh about it because it was his intent to go that fast to rub it in to someone who accused him of bombing the record,when in fact the accuser used to do the same thing when he was actively racing Stock.

Chris "drooze" Wertman 03-08-2010 08:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 173810)
someone who accused him of bombing the record,when in fact the accuser used to do the same thing when he was actively racing Stock.

Please explain ? My Muffler fell of in Virginia on the truck Ive been smelling raw burn all the way back.

I think I know what you are saying, but thinking and knowing....well...

I also thought I knew the words to "Secret Agent Man" when I was about 14 but I couldnt understand why an Asian man needed to be secret....:)

Monte Howard 03-08-2010 11:10 PM

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That is one BAD ***** car Dave has.

Did you all know, that used to be his Tow vehicle.

Dave knows how to Tow in Style.

p.s. dave bring your corvette to me and we will weld a hitch on it.

LOL ,You are the man.

Ed Fernandez 03-08-2010 11:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by drooze (Post 173811)
Please explain ? My Muffler fell of in Virginia on the truck Ive been smelling raw burn all the way back.

I think I know what you are saying, but thinking and knowing....well...

I also thought I knew the words to "Secret Agent Man" when I was about 14 but I couldnt understand why an Asian man needed to be secret....:)

Chris,open the window on the truck.I think the fumes are getting to you.

Mike Carr 03-08-2010 11:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by drooze (Post 173798)
Regarding this and HP, Im a little confused, I have heard the "horror" stories like Art Leong getting smacked with it by the truckload.

What is the MAX they can add at once ?

Is there Instant HP trackside and what does that take ? As well how much is it, and additionaly are you then up for review and able to get smacked again all because of the same run ?


Chris, any car that runs more than -1.250 under it's sea level Index receives a HP or Index adjustment Monday morning. HP increase is 3.25% (HP rating at the time x .0325 = new HP rating on Monday). Index adjustment (for SS/AS, SS/AM, etc) is .15 seconds.

bubski 03-09-2010 04:04 PM

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no record ? does this mean no teardown just instant horsepower?

art leong 03-09-2010 06:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bubski (Post 173994)
no record ? does this mean no teardown just instant horsepower?

That is exactly what happened

bubski 03-09-2010 06:52 PM

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not to rain on anyones parade, not making acusations either but if this happened to say any upper class stocker this board would be buzzing with discontent like it has in the past. guess no one cares cause it doesnt affect them ,good way to show we only care when its our combo. again not to say they werent legal but before you hit the horsepower you should be torn down to remove all doubt as you give horsepower to everyone and your legality should be checked

Bruce Witherspoon 03-09-2010 07:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bubski (Post 174021)
not to rain on anyones parade, not making acusations either but if this happened to say any upper class stocker this board would be buzzing with discontent like it has in the past. guess no one cares cause it doesnt affect them ,good way to show we only care when its our combo. again not to say they werent legal but before you hit the horsepower you should be torn down to remove all doubt as you give horsepower to everyone and your legality should be checked

Need not worry about this one! It is so far on the correct side that it would amaze even the skeptics. In any case the thing was apart last year in Michigan if you have any doubts.

Marine One 03-09-2010 08:05 PM

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I think he means in general - if NHRA is going to use your run to dictate / create policy, they should validate the legitimacy of the run first. Then again, start tearing everyone down all the time and many people will stop handing over cash to NHRA to run national events. Too much BS.

art leong 03-09-2010 08:09 PM

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I think anyone that gets the instant hit should be torn down. But I guess NHRA figures everyone would just make sure they got tossed for some minor infraction.

bubski 03-09-2010 09:23 PM

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no doubts, this is not a personal attack. however this is class racing you go that fast you should be checked. the few facing teardown for doing this should know this is how it works. i cant see that lowering entries ,as you may be torndown anyway at a national event even if your .2 under. as far as getting tossed for something minor on purpose give them some time off to think about it. i get where your coming from ,but to turn a blind eye on the bulls/it , just gives people the right away to push it even further .

danny waters sr 03-10-2010 07:53 AM

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I have always thought (in my opinion) that before a combo gets hit , that it should be checked. This way * if you get hit it is lagit *. I would hate to know someone got me hp and was not legal at the time they ran so fast. If 1.25 under is the # then it should come also with immediate tear down and checked at that race, with hp pending tear-down outcome. my .02 worth !

art leong 03-10-2010 08:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danny waters sr (Post 174101)
I have always thought (in my opinion) that before a combo gets hit , that it should be checked. This way * if you get hit it is lagit *. I would hate to know someone got me hp and was not legal at the time they ran so fast. If 1.25 under is the # then it should come also with immediate tear down and checked at that race, with hp pending tear-down outcome. my .02 worth !

I agree with you. And have always said that they should verify. But if they did this how many cars would come up with something or other to get the tossed and not get the horsepower. Much like taking weight out to fail at the scales.
Maybe an automatic 6 month vacation would stop this.

danny waters sr 03-10-2010 08:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 174103)
I agree with you. And have always said that they should verify. But if they did this how many cars would come up with something or other to get the tossed and not get the horsepower. Much like taking weight out to fail at the scales.
Maybe an automatic 6 month vacation would stop this.

Then the run is no good & nobody's combo gets hit and driver is D Q'd at that event and must be torn down at next race and pass. The next toss would be a longer suspension. No refunds . Ladder would be as if this driver never existed.

Chris "drooze" Wertman 03-10-2010 09:35 AM

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Seems all reasonable to me and Im new :)

It seems to suck that someone across the country's rating could be hurt by someone who may not be "kosher"

But in several conversations with Tech their opinions were that well over half of the "UnKosher" items are not intentional and rather accidents. (I do NOT know if they were talking about motor or just across the board)

But cheaters (and I know a large percentage of improper items are NOT a result of intent but rather accidental) How are those dealt with , only certain items get a DQ and a suspension ?

Is it only a suspension if it was blatant ? Or anything at all ?

Super Sport 03-10-2010 09:54 AM

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I thought I read that at division races in the past racers had been torn down for going more than the old 1.40 under. Or did I just dream that.

It would seem that if a car violating the limit was not torn down and proved legal, you could have grounds for action against getting mandatory horsepower if you ran the same combination.

Mark Callanan 03-10-2010 09:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danny waters sr (Post 174105)
Then the run is no good & nobody's combo gets hit and driver is D Q'd at that event and must be torn down at next race and pass. The next toss would be a longer suspension. No refunds . Ladder would be as if this driver never existed.

Danny

How is it done in IHRA?

danny waters sr 03-10-2010 10:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mark callanan (Post 174119)
Danny

How is it done in IHRA?

1.40 under gets you hp with the old indexes which we still have. Unfortunatly it is no diff than NHRA ,no tear down ,just weight and fuel. Had this happen to me at Rockingham one year and i got hp and was behind at least 2or 3 tenths. I wish it would change. If not at least seal the motor and tear down at the next race before hp is given. Needs to be verified ASAP in my opinion.Only tear downs we have done is if a record is set. If the racer is trying to set record we usually tear down before the race and seal engine ,carb ect.... This gives the racer enough time to tune the car back and not miss eliminations at that meet.

Mark Callanan 03-10-2010 04:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danny waters sr (Post 174139)
1.40 under gets you hp with the old indexes which we still have. Unfortunatly it is no diff than NHRA ,no tear down ,just weight and fuel. Had this happen to me at Rockingham one year and i got hp and was behind at least 2or 3 tenths. I wish it would change. If not at least seal the motor and tear down at the next race before hp is given. Needs to be verified ASAP in my opinion.Only tear downs we have done is if a record is set. If the racer is trying to set record we usually tear down before the race and seal engine ,carb ect.... This gives the racer enough time to tune the car back and not miss eliminations at that meet.

Before IHRA hands out HP do they take weather into account?

art leong 03-10-2010 05:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by drooze (Post 174116)
Seems all reasonable to me and Im new :)

It seems to suck that someone across the country's rating could be hurt by someone who may not be "kosher"

But in several conversations with Tech their opinions were that well over half of the "UnKosher" items are not intentional and rather accidents. (I do NOT know if they were talking about motor or just across the board)

But cheaters (and I know a large percentage of improper items are NOT a result of intent but rather accidental) How are those dealt with , only certain items get a DQ and a suspension ?

Is it only a suspension if it was blatant ? Or anything at all ?

If you get tossed for something "blatant" they may give you a vacation. If it is a slight measuring error or a mistake. They usually tell you to show up at your next race with the car apart to verify that you are now legal before you make a run.
When they tossed me at Maple Grove. For having too little compression, they told me to come back with the head off. I told them "no way" I had driven the car there, and it took me way to long to tear a head off then put it together to make a run.
I sent them a nasty letter explaining the stupidity of there rule.
They then changed the rule LOL
So I went back to racing.

danny waters sr 03-10-2010 05:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mark callanan (Post 174186)
Before IHRA hands out HP do they take weather into account?

Probably not at 1.40 under. ,not sure on that,but i will try to find out.

Mark Callanan 03-10-2010 07:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danny waters sr (Post 174197)
Probably not at 1.40 under. ,not sure on that,but i will try to find out.

Danny
I have to fess up I was trying to set you up
Look at what the Ihra did last year at Epping it was a joke to add HP to who they did
It was the best weather I had seen in 12 years of racing
I understand IHRA wants to look legit in sportsmen racing but how that race was done last year was awful
In many ways...

danny waters sr 03-10-2010 07:54 PM

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I was not at the div race (thank goodness ) { : {) )

Mike Carr 04-07-2010 11:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mark callanan (Post 174219)
Danny
I have to fess up I was trying to set you up
Look at what the Ihra did last year at Epping it was a joke to add HP to who they did
It was the best weather I had seen in 12 years of racing
I understand IHRA wants to look legit in sportsmen racing but how that race was done last year was awful
In many ways...

Mark, what's the difference between getting hit in killer air at Atco for going -1.40 and getting hit in killer air at Epping for going -1.40?

Chris "drooze" Wertman 04-07-2010 11:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 174196)
If you get tossed for something "blatant" they may give you a vacation. If it is a slight measuring error or a mistake. They usually tell you to show up at your next race with the car apart to verify that you are now legal before you make a run.
When they tossed me at Maple Grove. For having too little compression, they told me to come back with the head off. I told them "no way" I had driven the car there, and it took me way to long to tear a head off then put it together to make a run.
I sent them a nasty letter explaining the stupidity of there rule.
They then changed the rule LOL
So I went back to racing.

I hope so, because Im having a hell of a time "measuring" these head gaskets in layers like you told me to :)

.037 out of the hole and supposed to be AD......#$%^&* and I cant just use a nice 6.1 .039 and be done (on the 5.7) because the water is different.....#$%^&, Head is the same mind you block and gaskets are different...

Although at this point a year vacation may not be a bad idea, Puerto Rico and some sailing is looking better and better.....

Hey they race in PR....never seen so many rotaries.....


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