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If everyone here were smart, you'd lobby class racing to Rich Christensen of PINKS All Out instead of continually wasting time and money with NHRA. After attending my first PAO this guy knows how to treat, promote, and market our style of racing. He also knows how to work the spectators unlike NHRA who is taking everyone's money and bending us over and giving it to us in a painful way. Rich not only gives a ***** and honestly cares, but really enjoys what he does!!!! He connects with EVERYONE, not just the cash cows who come to play (aka the John Forces and Don Schumachers). Something to be said about the success of PINKS All Out format when NHRA creates their half-assed, half-hearted attempt "Unleashed" program to re-gain what they've lost to PAO. Because NHRA it's all about the money THEY make, not HOW they make it. Where Rich it's all about the racers and connecting with the fans, understanding the financial success comes as a result. Because he knows without racers, he has no fans, and with no fans, he has no show, and with no show, there's no marketability. Wally Parks was the creative thinker and had the passion behind the creation of NHRA. But he's long gone and nothing like the bottom line driven bean counters who run it today. Everyone must understand the logic of corporate bean counters...it's all about the numbers, the 80-20 rule, and financial bottom line. We're in the minority column, a liability that "brings nothing to the table" according to what's on paper. I cannot stress enough, that, as long as the majority here continue to thumb their noses at these suggestions and at the few of us who have been willing to turn our backs on the true enemy of our destiny, we will continue to get hurt, much like the path of Modified Eliminator. In hard economic times greed becomes increasingly obvious. Just like an employee receiving his/her termination letter, we are facing the same circumstances. The top brass do not care about the personal hardship it causes, only that it bought the white elephant more time until the fat cats can safely cut and run.

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I like them both, but there are parts of each that I don't like. POA is really neat if your the fastest guy of the top 16 that they pick for whatever reason (something with a girl, a wagon, a minority driver, a truck, a mopar with a chevy engine, father-son etc). If your not lucky that day, you might get two time runs and watch the rest. Take away the chance to be on TV and see what happens. Same for the NHRA, everybody wants to be where the big deal is going on, myself included. I respectfully really feel bad for the diehard class racers, who have spent a life time perfecting their combinations. And today nobody cares, the fans just want to see FAST...(turbos, blowers, nitrous). Then if that don't get ya, at the Nationals the #83 quailifier puts you (#3 quailifer) on the trailer with just a good reaction time. He bought his car last month for $10,000. You bought yours in 1971 and have 25K in the engine. To me something ain't right ! There must be something that I'm not seeing. I should be seeing it soon though, with this 60 Corvette for Super/Stock. My plan is larger than Pinks and/or NHRA. Build a car that is multi-faceted and can do many things. NHRA, IHRA, IMCA, NMCA, Nostalgia, Pinks, Local Brackets, Street driver, 10.5, Show, then do whatever you feel like with it! I like all of it, oh did I mention the fun of building that car yourself !!!

Wade Mahaffey

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The only reason NHRA keeps the Sportsman racing at the National Events is to pay the bill for putting on the event.
Case in point:
Only Sportsman pay entry fees: Our fees cover the operation for NHRA's part of the show. The track covers the rest.
Only Sportsman pay Insurance fees Professional Teams must post a Bond at the beginning of the year: Our fees cover the entire insurance coverage for the weekend show for everyone inside the track. The track turns the operation of their track and in turn is the umbrella coverage for the show only. It will be interesting how the accident at Chandler turns out and who pays for that.
I would bet today the Sportsman Insurance coverages for 2011 will be going up due to the Chandler accident.

If the Sportsman racers did not pay the bills we would not be included now at the National Events as was discussed the last couple of years.

I watch Pinks sometimes but when a guy is berated for having an engine failure on camera for oiling the track I am no longer a watcher. The guy feels bad enough without being laid into for oiling the track.
I also have friends who attended the Pinks all out to try and get in and they will never try again. They told me it was like the NHRA show hurry up and wait. I have not tried to get in as I figured I could never get in with an 8 second car. They always pick 10 second or slower groupings.

My take is Its All About The Money and what Pinks can sell!

My 2 Cents and not worth more than that.

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I heard that Pinks 400 plus spots sell out in about 5 minutes. :confused:

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I respectfully really feel bad for the diehard class racers, who have spent a life time perfecting their combinations. And today nobody cares, the fans just want to see FAST...(turbos, blowers, nitrous). Then if that don't get ya, at the Nationals the #83 quailifier puts you (#3 quailifer) on the trailer with just a good reaction time. He bought his car last month for $10,000.

Wade,thats why there's Comp eliminator,for the diehards that want to go fast.The CIC is a bit of a hinderance but not as confining as the AHFS.
The Pinks minded set have no interest in working on a a restricted combination like S/SS.All
they do is throw money at big inch motors with they're so called "power adders".Does
the work slackers come to mind?

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I went to the Pinks at Indy this past year as a "tater". After watching it on TV, it looked really neat. The reality of what I saw. A lot of time sitting and waiting. It is a TV show, they're looking for that spectacular thing, a nitrous explosion, a blown engine/tranny, hugh wheelstand, car going out of control, to augment their highlight reel. That and I can only take so much of the drunks yelling and screaming, I guess I'm just not a good spectater.

Then when you get to the promotion part of it, $40 hats, $60+ shirts, you can have it. Nah, I'll pass. Went to work Monday, told all the guys what a bust it was and how it was the most boring thing I could have subjected myself to. They all thought I was nuts, "you got to go to such a cool thing and you hated it"?

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Actually Ed quite the contrary...this would be the best thing for the sport. What the fans want are closely matched cars with character, brand rivalries, and be included in the hype. Instead of shoe polish racing like they do on Sunday, it would be class match ups just like the old days, and trust me, it would grow beyond anyone's imagination. Those who've worked the hardest could finally be rewarded. Fans could follow that format easy..all heads up, no breakout, no handicap starts. The PINKS promoters add in some exhibition stuff as a bonus, but the main show are the close matched cars in an all or nothing death thrash. NHRA has had ample opportunity to work it like this, but prefer to suck up to the nitro bombs, while they milk every last dollar from our wallets instead.

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Those who've worked the hardest could finally be rewarded

Should read,those who have a ton of money will finally be rewarded.Guess I'd put a muffler on the gremlin and drive it to car shows.Remember what happened when they ran off records?Back then it was innovative guys with skills.Still some left but on the whole todays performance is store bought and lack of rule enforcement.

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We ran the POA event last year @ Z-max and are in for the event @ Virgina, yes it's a lot of waiting but wher else do you see people get that worked up over a bunch of sportsman racers?? Rich is a car guy and he cares about the racers and the cars. As far as him blowing up about someone spilling fluid on the track, wasn't some one on this forum not long ago screaming about getting fined by NHRA for leaking on the track ??? This kind of racing and the circus atmosphere thats surronds it is what is still great about the sport of drag racing.. my .02

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You receive basic guidelines docs via email in advance of the event reminding all competitors to replace antifreeze with water and/or coolant substitutes that meet sanction rules. And just like anywhere else, if you're aware you are leaking any fluids you are to pull over to the side of track. Beyond that Rich and crew are reasonably fair. They understand there will be mishaps, but the preventable ones they cut nobody slack. And yes, Rich is a real stand-up guy and really enjoys talking to the seasoned veteran, wheather pro or weekend warrior. When's the last time an NHRA exec chatted with you in the lanes or on the starting line during downtime?

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About 4 years I tried to inform everyone about having a class event with Rich. All emails needed to be sent to Pullin TV and if they had enough interest then something could have came about. All Hemi shootout, CIC race like Pat does in LA. Anything to get the S/SS racers on TV for publicity and some good money. I have competed in Pinks All out and Passtime. IT was fun and I would do it again. I didnt see where it was slower then any NHRA event and it was only 1 day for $10,000 with a $40.00 entry. At the time it was the best thing in town but it has become old. To bad it didn't happen when it was hot.
Jeff

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I agree with your thinking completely on this Wade.

I grew up going around the country with NHRA Stock racers and enjoyed it very much. When I was old enough and could afford to class race I did for a brief time until my divorce when I sold the car. I love everything about class racing and still follow it very closely. I don't think the average "fan" understands all that goes into getting a S/SS car to run to it's potential. However, I just purchased a new car now that I'm back on my feet but have no plans to class race it. High entry fees, cost of traveling, how NHRA treats the class racer, etc. are all huge deterents. I have a '95 Impala SS that I can drive on the street, take to car shows, bracket race (runs low 12s NA and high 10s on nitrous), go to POA and hope they pick my time, attend Super Chevy events, ... Yes, it could pretty easily be a good class car (ok, not easily but if I write a big enough check) but why do that? I can have a versatile car, still attend S/SS racers as an "above average informed spectator", and not have to deal with all the BS that goes with running a class car. I still do really, really respect those of you that continue to keep these cars going.

Scott

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Pinks All Out can be a slow process depending on the cooperation between the racers and the production crew. They make announcements at the drivers meeting and over the PA system all during the day about antifreeze and leakage on to the track.

There are 450 to 520 cars, most of them the cars you would see at a stock/superstock race. The cars are divided into classes based on your, "all out" et. Each class is called to the staging lanes one at a time. Some of the classes at Z-Max had as many as 60 cars in them.

At Z-max they had over 300 tv production crew members. These folks were spread out on the track, in the staging lane, in the pit area and in the stands with the spectators. Remember the spectators section is typically sold out and in the case of Z-max, the standing room section was sold out. That was 30,000+ at $25 per person, except children under 12 years of age were free, they just had to pick-up a ticket for their seat. The production crew is doing interviews. As an example, Hemiparts, my son, was in his suit, helmet everything in place in the staging lanes. The camera crew came up and requested that we unbuckle the harness, get out of the car, remove coat and helmet. Then put everything back on, get in the car and re-buckle the harness. We had a camera guy outside and a camera guy with the passenger door open filming from inside the car. The young lady, driving a car pitted beside us, broke a connecting rod on her run and dumped oil on the track. The camera crew came to her pits and interviewed her and her family. All laughing and joking around during the interview. It would be good if a lot more of the film footage these guys do could be show; however, time on tv is short. You know like an show of nothing except the taping that was cut to make the two show segments.

Most everyone stayed overnight in the pit area. The staff was so cooperative. The staff members without their cameras were finished work for the day and were out going around though the pits talking with racers and their families. The grills were fired up once racing was stopped on Friday night and the feed was on. If you went to bed hungry that night it was your own fault. There was more food than could be eat. Just walking around through the pit area, not using the 4-wheeler, you got a chance to talk with people from all over the country. The car pitted on one side of us was a family from Ohio, the car across from us was from, I believe, Mississippi and the car on the opposite side was from New Jersey. There were some transmissions changed, universal joints change and rear gears changed and general mechanical work. Guys around a particular car all pitched in to help out the guy which you might have to race the next night for $10,000.

And one last comment. As someone mentioned the entry for one of these events is $60.00. Registration is done over the internet. Registration at Z-Max this year was scheduled to begin at 10:00 am. Within a matter of seconds the whole computer system was jammed. We had three separate computers working and all three locked up. The same thing happened at Virginia entry which was schedule for 7:00 pm. Both of these event were filled within 15 to 20 minutes. 460 entries.

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In that case Wade you shouldn't be complaining, because you are always trying to go for the oddball attention getter, so you should fit right in. Wade, you had better be careful; your Super Comp, Super Gas colors are showing. If you are planning on building a serious Super Stocker, than it just can't be flip/flopped from one type of racing class to another; unless it is a direct crossover. From what you have been saying your car is going to be a lower class car, which will further limit your chooses. Anybody that has a serious car uses most of their time working on making the car faster and more consistent. Maybe you need to take a closer look at Super Stock and see that you have two types of racers; the serious ones and the also rans, then you can figure out which one you are. You can't worship two gods, either you are serious or you aren't.

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Sorry, I did'nt mean to come off as complaining. I will be loving to compete with you, and just can't wait! I surely am not trying to offend any of the S,S/S racers here. I do have my idea of what it takes to win in S,S/S eliminator. What I do NOT have is daddy's nickel, or his or anyone elses racing experience to draw from. I have to learn it all by myself, and pay for it all by myself. And that's the way I like it, individual accomplishment. That's why I don't have a Cobalt (serious car), and thats why I'm not as concerned about how fast it is. I feel that the key to being competitive in Super/Stock Eliminator (not class) is consistancy (driver and car). And that means "seat time" to me. I don't need dyno time, I can evaluate my program directly from the time slip. Then make adjustments to the car and/or myself. Thats why this car is multi-faceted, to allow much more seat time in order to refine and polish my driving skills and car set-up quicker. Right, wrong, or indifferent, I am a "seat time" kinda guy, more than the "dyno time" kind.
You can draw a good game plan or play up on the board. But if you want to win, you gotta get your helmet on and get in the game!

Wade Mahaffey

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Pinks All Out is a contrived "American Idol", run at a drag strip. They book in a bunch of cars, and let them make time trials all day, hoping for a few "high lights" to put in the show. Then they pick a winner, and a few other cars to race, and then run the race for the benefit of their winner. And boy are they pissed when their winner doesn't win. It makes for good TV, I guess, if you go in for that sort of thing, but it ain't racing. The crowd is there to see the carnage, and hopefully get on TV. When the "new" wears off, it'll fade away and be forgotten.

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it is fun but real racing involves rules and no-break-out. check out eddyville june 12 and july 17.

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Alan have you ever been to one? You are way off base. No way it can be fixed. The race in Seattle was a kick in the butt. Beats the hell out of shoe polish. The fans proved that. Thats the kind of fan support S&S/S had before shoe polish.

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Alan you're WAY off!!! Didn't you see I just ran one? Doesn't my money, effort, and time count? I can tell you first hand absolutely NOTHING is orchestrated, pre-planned, rigged, or hidden. Everyone has a fair shot. If anything it's a welcome change from shoe polish racing, which isn't any better. There has been some sandbagging but those guys WILL GET CAUGHT.

My advice is to attend one of these if you can. Rich Christensen has certainly hit on something when he can get ordinary car buffs into the stands to watch our junk run. His logic is common sense, you must have something to sell in order to attract fans. In his case it 's attitude and drama which he can build off the racers, cars, and fans.

There's no way around it. Class racing (even sportsman drag racing in general) in it's present form does not nor ever will have the fan appeal of PINKS format.

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LOL. Rich and his staff run a ton of cars all day. They pick an ET range. Then they pick 8 cars within that ET range. And you're going to try to tell me they have no idea which car should win? :rolleyes: They pick a winner, and then run the race. They pick 8 cars in a given ET range, and you think one of those cars isn't faster than the rest,:eek: and you think they don't know:rolleyes:? If you don't think they pick a winner before the race, I can't help you. They may not get the winner they want, their chosen one might be late, he might go red, or he might break. But he is their chosen winner, regardless. And if he doesn't win, they start asking questions and getting pissed.

I've sat in the toter after the races and watched that contrived BS dozens of times, I've watched Rich and his boys pick out their chosen few, and their chosen winner. Then I've watched them be stunned when it doesn't work out the way they planned.

You can run all of their races you want, it doesn't bother me one bit, I really don't care what you do or what you believe. But I know a scripted "show" set up for TV "drama" when I see it.

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I still don't get it, 400 to 500 cars show up for a 16 or 32 car field. People show with cars that haven't seen a track in years will bust their butts to make these events only not to race the rest of the season at their local tracks. Odds are if your car quicker than 10 seconds and slower than 11.5 seconds you might as well stay home if you are actually wanting to race. So realistically maybe 75 cars have a shot to be in the program. So a lot of racers are paying for a couple of time trials for a chance they might be on TV which usually means you either broke something or hit something. If you just go there with the idea of hanging out and having fun with the whole event then have at it. But if you want to race its about like winning with a lotto ticket. I'll stick to my $60 entry and run for a $1250 win, weekly program for seven rounds of racing in a program that I know I will make. Thanks you very much. But I do like watching the circus on TV.

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If they could just get rid of Rich and the idiot radio DJ it would be entertainment but its not stocker racing. Problem is fans dont care about slower stockers. Sorry I love them but its just a fact.

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Fun to watch on TV, but I personally will never associate with anything Pinks-related, due to an all time asshole statement on their registration website a few years ago.

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Pinks is a show...welcome to the show...enjoy the show...thanks for coming to the show...

It's kind of like comparing going to Graceland in 1997 to see all of the freaks show up for the big 25 year death anniversary vs. going to a real live Elvis concert in 1971. Both are entertaining; they just attract different crowds is all.

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I agree when was the last time anyone saw 25,000 people pay $30.00 a head to watch a bunch of class racers ??? my .02

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I never said people didn't watch it. I said it was contrived BS and a purely scripted show.

When was the last time you saw Stock or Super Stock promoted to the level that "Pinks" is?

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Alan, it is NOT scripted...get it through your head. I was IN THE MIDDLE OF IT ALL and assure you it's not scripted!!!

Second, the reason Stock and/or Super Stock HASN'T been promoted to the level of PINKS is for the very reason you're against it. We are a dying breed. If we don't find a way to pump new blood into it our future will be only about the memories.

I'm not saying Rich Christensen is the be-all-and-end-all to our future. But he's a good ambassador to our level of racing and a great start for getting things turned around. To attract new blood we need an audience. To gain an audience it will need to be hyped up. Rich makes it crystal clear he's looking for "candidates" that are willing to be ambassadors and able to promote his cause because that's the only way it can be "sold".

I have been in contact with him since the race and is watching this board. The idea in question would not mean molding S/SS to the PINKS model (for a lack of better words) but molding PINKS around our form of racing, except adding some fan appeal to it. Maybe heads up class run-offs but with arm drops (like the old flag days) with the biggest class field running for the gold. What's in it for us? The contingency support would come back in droves for starters. Individual sponsor support would be easier to secure due to television exposure. How much worse can it be than what we're already working with? What's special about shelling out $400 for the weekend where you first run at 0'dark hundred then get swept under the rug until the pros are done?

I'm sorry for being direct and my ranting, but I think I make a valid point.

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Gary, this is really simple.

Who picks the ET range of the finalists?

Who picks the finalists?

Who picks which of the finalists is the fastest?

Who picks which of the finalists is the slowest?

That's right, Rich and his crew make every one of those decisions and more.

If you enjoy all of that, fine, you go, and you have a good time. I'm not the least bit fooled by it, nor am I interested in it. Enjoy yourself.

Sportsman racing, Stock and Super Stock, can be promoted just fine without all of the silliness. It is easy, but NHRA and IHRA are not interested. The only thing that needs to be changes is how the events are run and promoted. Pinks All Out ain't gonna make that happen.

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This Christensen character found a niche product to produce.

It is vulgar, ignorant and low-brow. Like MTV, his product is geared towards the pop-culture crowd: Tattoos...baggy pants....backwards ball caps....and belching.

It's as if Larry Flint and Rich Christensen met, and melded crude sexual activity with a ring & pinion: Automotive pornography at its best!

If this is what it's come to, then let's bury the Quadrajet, the M22...the F-series side oiler and the Max Wedge, and remember them in our memory only.

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Rich and team pick the 16/32 cars that are closest together. Whatever happens after that, happens. When there are that many cars within a tenth of a second (or less), there's no way of knowing that the 1 or 2 alleged "chosen" ones will even be in the final. Too many things can happen (jump the arm drop, spin, break, get sideways, sleep at the line, etc etc). Just like in Class Eliminations. Anything can happen. Cars that qualify in spots 12-16 in Pro Stock can win on any given day, with a break or two. I guess, Alan, if there are 10-16 cars at Indy in a given class, you can guess the winner and r/u of every class, correctly, 100% of the time?

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What are you talking about? Evidently, you haven't even watched Pinks All Out.

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Alan it really is simple. I'm not sure you or bunkster have ever competed in a PAO. If you had you would have known better then to make these comments or have you forgotten how to race without shoe polish? Sandbaggers need not apply. Its so simple.

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"Baggy pants, backwark ball caps" I've had enough. When we attend a race whether it is bracket racing, Mopar Show or Pinks All Out. All of our crew goes there to represent our sponsors to the best of our abilty. Yes we were team shirts at a week-end bracket race. If this is the best we can get offered on this board I"m done.

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Well, I HAVE been to and run a PAO event and I can definitely say that the most accurate statement in this thread was made by Bunkster. Hit the nail on the head. There was essentially NO safety tech and it was an aggregation of the biggest bunch of junk ever assembled at one event. I saw more scattered parts, broken axles, wheels flying all over, bikes dumping, antifreeze spilling, oil pouring, redneck barfing and total staging lane mayhem in those two days then I have seen in a lifetime of sanctioned events.

By all means go and have a great time, but don't expect some fabulously organized and safely run event. After what I saw, I would never go again. At least when you line up next to a car at a sanctioned (IHRA or NHRA) event you have some level of confidence that the car in the next lane is in reasonably good condition and has a driver who is reasonably competent. That is absolutely not true at the PAO that I went to.

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The individual track hosting PAO is charged with inspection and safety. If the safety sucked, talk to the track management.

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There are some good points made on both sides of the discussion here, but take it from someone who made the 32 car show at Martin last July- there was some serious sandbagging going on! I ran All-Out all weekend, then they let the racers breakout by a couple of tenths? My car would not have gone 2 tenths faster that day if it fell off a cliff! I got trailered by a car that qualified much slower than me, and he spent more time looking at my front bumper than he did looking out the windshield. I had a good time, would do it again, but there was sandbagging going on for sure!

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Don't need to talk to track management. I would never go to another one. You would think the TV production company would have an interest in seeing that the event was run safely. But probably not, since most of the stuff you see on the show highlights the breakage and out of shape cars. That is the show after all, just like NASCAR, sit around and wait for something disastrous to happen.

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When did you attend? Last year? 2 years ago? I'm sure you had a horrible experience. I'm not surprised after hearing stories of shoddy tech at previous events from other racers I met last weekend. But they checked all the safety tags, stickers and what not on my car, and watched them bounce a car and driver with expired cert, belts, and license right in front of me. Is everyone here implying NHRA/IHRA/AHRA were perfect right out of the box? Every organization goes through teething pains.

You, Bunkster, and the other few naysayers are missing the point. I have nothing against IHRA and the regional S/SS Associations. But NHRA is the current media darling that's promoting pros at our expense. Is that acceptable to you? Or are you simply afraid of change? Class racing is on borrowed time and the current economy isn't helping. All I'm saying is we need to have an open mind in finding ways to keep our beloved class racing alive instead of bitching, moaning, and allow "big brother" to roll over on us until we are dead or replaced by something similar to PINKS (which I mentioned is under way http://www.nhraunleashed.com/ ).

Bunkster I'm sure Clay Millican and Royce Miller will appreciate being associated with the "homeboy" posse, even though they still dress and act like humans, along with the rest of the production crew.

I'd also like to get something else off my chest...I own 2 race cars and a resto-mod street car. While the 2 classic Mustangs get plenty of "ooohs and aahhhs" from everyday people, I'm embarrassed having to explain what Stock Eliminator is to common race fans at displays/shows when I bring the stocker. 20 - 30 years ago that probably wasn't the case. But now I can count on one hand the people who identified what the car is. Even more shameful is hearing "jeez, I didn't know Stock still existed". How many you owners of $120k Super Stock Cobalts have taken your car to a display only to have a gang of "homies" mistake it for an outlaw street racer? It has happened...I've seen it. To me, that would be the ultimate insult after such an investment.

Simply put we need someone of Rich's calibur who can bridge us to new blood through the masses. Running LODRS events in front of empty seats or national events outside of prime time is taking us nowhere.

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Dana, I certainly agree there was some sandbagging at PBIR. But Rich laid out some new rules where they will be watching all the numbers and warned they will be DQing suspicious runs more often than the past. And don't be surprised if light teardowns get instituted.

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well, hell, that sounds just like NHRA/espn2.....


i can't even watch PAO because of willie....
can't stand his show on the radio and i SURE don't want to watch him.
i STILL think PAO has done more for sportsman-type drag racing than NHRA lately


and i'm missing the vulgar part ....again.
i always miss the good stuff;)