Stocker running in SuperStock.....?
 

Ok, a question since Houston has no Stock what about running the Challenger in Super Stock ? Im understanding is it falls into SS/IA and well so it can run in SS/JA with the 5.7

From a Mechanical perspective I believe the car meets all the requirments, trans shield,The cage is certed, everything "appears" to be all good from a rules perspective, what I "see" is a car that we "THINK" In testing should be good for 10.5 lets say out of the box from what we know from the 6.1 and what we know NOT to do :D:eek::D

So lets just say , the DP with a 5.7, 305 hp at 3100lbs is good for 10.5, the JA index is 11 , the Record is 9.93 @130 .

A)Is there anything that would prevent the car from being ALLOWED to run as a SS Car ?
B)Is running say .4-.5 under Index good enough to Qualify ?
C)Is there ANY way that running it as such could hurt the Combo for Stock ?
D)How much more consistent are SS cars ? Or is it the opposite ?
E)How many people will I piss off by Trying it ? (that was a joke)

It looks like well be good for Houston, and have 2 solid days of testing prior (we have a track arranged :) For PROPER testing and setup changes on OUR Schedule.

If the Car is Ready , and (and well know this in testing) Capable, is there a reason NOT To do it ?

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Im liscenced....I dont think it will be running that fast (if we do Ill be busy doing a Polka in the pits after the run) as well as running up and down the pits screaming ..... weeeeeeeeeee ......(hell I may be doing that anyway if/when I get it back to the track)

If you see someone on a Harley Golf Cart buzzing around going weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......or vrrrroooooooommmmm well you know who it is.

Thanks

(Nuther question has anyone ever run an eliminator with the Golf Carts ? Sounds like good rainy day fun , and I really want to race someone in this cart)

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A true Super Stock car has a advantage on a marginal track... Reasons are much large tires and more sophisticated and tunable suspension. A transbrake add consistency to driving and seem to make reaction times closer together and more repeatable for many drivers. SS/JA does not require a license/Cert. Cage/Multlayer suit. SS/IA requires all those to be added. I f car runs 10.99 or faster must have transhield or blanket.
Other than Indy or some over 128 card divisionals all cars run .... as long as you can run index you can compete successfully and will be OK if you do not catch a heads up race. We regularly run Super Stock at races where Stock is not run or it fills up early. Stockers have more than a few times won a National Race in Super Stock. Do people like it.......many do not appreciate it since they can not run in Stock and the feel it keeps more legitimate Super Stocks from racing their eliminator.

Just my .02 worth. John Irving

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Don Little won a National event a few years ago with his Challenger which at that time was built as a stocker but he ran it in Super Stock also.

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Don't forget. Most HP ratings for SS are different than Stock. Might wanna check.

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Greg Xakellis ( former D1 Director ) tried it about 15 or so years ago at a National Open held at Beaver Springs ,PA and I can tell you for sure it will never , ever be tried again here in D1 ...............way too much crazy stuff went on -- and from a liability standpoint -- well its just a huge nightmare . But I must admit it was big fun for sure ! ! ! !

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Lol....it sounds like it would be, I can top 40 I think, if I put an expansion chamber on it, wow....who knows....(46 maybe)

My "power" on the cart use has been getting it up with a bigger carb and the HC piston for "towing" use, and I can pull a 4000lb car with no issue even up a grade. But I just put the new Goodyear 19x7.50x10 slicks on it and really slick ultralight rims (leftovers from my sons Jr well never run:D

So the ratio should be a bit taller..lol...I love my cart, like everything else here (except the challenger DP) Crusty rusty, and mechanically A1...my $200 beast (ok now its up to $245 with the Tillston rebuild kit and somother parts)

Maybe I should put some Articat stickers on it and call it a Snowmobile for ins purposes :eek:

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Check to see if you need the trans shield, window net, certified chassis, and the better fire suit for starters. I think the 6.1 DP cars falls SS/DA or EA ( can I say Mustang ss/da @ 9.08) and I think you need the cage, shield, net, and chassis there. I am planning on being there is SS/JA, and you should see how big a blanket a XXX L fire suit is. Must be 10 yards of material in that thing.

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Weve got all that, cage certed, net, and trans shield, Ive got to check on the Suit, I think its ok, could be wrong, which means probably am wrong.

Well be running a 5.7, bummer is I just sold a set of monster ported heads not too long ago they would have been great for this. Sold em because I couldnt run em in stock and they sat on the shelf for a year, oh well.

I think I can run SS/JA with this combo , if all is well that would be fun, and history as it were the first 2 Challenger DP's running in SS together....

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Jack ,Other than Beaver Bob holding Thompson sub machine gun demos, that was the most fun we had that weekend !............I won the reaction time pot [$75 !] ...............They had a cart race at the D1 bracket finals 2 years ago ,but after last year ,I doubt that will ever happen again........If it would ever stop raining in D1 we wouldent have to race the scooters !........Tom

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At the time Don Little did this, he had to only add the window net and trans shield.

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Be careful with monster ported heads. There are max volumes you must adhere to.

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Theyre gone, I got rid of em because they were useless for any stock project, and they werent a double spring conversion so not "safe" for street use on a monster, I also got rid of the 392 we had that was going to "originally" be the DP Motor (when they were supposed to be 6.4's) so anything not legal or usefull went bye bye instead of collecting more dust.

But Ill be running SS with Stocker legal heads, it would have been cool to throw on a set of very niceley CNC ported heads for the SS run.

Re: Stocker running in SuperStock.....?
 

just depends on how "stock" your "stocker" is.

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In SS/IA you are @ 3355 lbs, in SS/JA you are 3525 with the 5.7. The car is a natural SS/IA car so you can run H, I, or J. 3070 lbs for SS/GA. All weights include driver @ 170 lbs

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Bone Stock 2009 Challenger DP :) As stock as any. All Approved stuffs and Well its a stock Drag Pak,

Im "on the fence" about running it I or J, 3355 is about where its at with me in it and leaving the Accumulator in, as well as putting a few "Oem" I can make 35xx legally with weight and the replacment of some OE items that I found lighter conterparts for and were legal to replace, I just dont know if I feel like doing that work.

Im thinking ill take the parts along for the ride and depending entirley on how it runs out in testing Ill make a decision.

Jeff can you run KA ? No record there :)

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Just to clarify Jeff's numbers.(you got to rember that he is a car salesman!)

Challenger with 5.7 is 305 SS hp with a 3100 shipping weight.

Its power to weight factor is 10.16, which makes its natural class as SS/IA 10.00- 10.99

IA=10 x 305 hp + 170 driver= 3220 min weight 10.70 index.
cage, license, net, trans sheild,& 3.2/5a pants and jacket required

Can also run HA @ 3065 min weight(9.5x305+170) with 10.60 index

Can also run JA @ 3525 min weight(11x305+170) with 11.00 index.
No cage,license,net,.Trans sheild is required. Must have 3.2/1a pants and jacket


You can also run SS/GT.
GT/DA is(9.5x305+170) 3065 min wt with a 10.50 index
GT/EA is (10x305+170) 3220 min wt with a 10.65 index
GT/FA is (10.5 x305+170) 3370 min wt with a 10.80 index

All of these GT classes require cage,net,sheild,license and 3.2/5A pant and jacket

Re: Stocker running in SuperStock.....?
 

Check, those were the same conclusions/numbers I came to , pretty close, its nice to see it all laid out, the GT Classes......what would be the Advantage of running that aside from SS ? The FA would be the only one I would see as feasiable because of index, I dont really see the car running under 10.5 for the time being.

The cage we had certed, good to 8.50, the Pants and Jacket (hood gloves and stuff) all 3.2/5a, Net (RJS), Shield (CSR) and liscence, Super Gas, and Stock.

I think it will all depend on the testing....well go from there.

Thanks, its nice to see it all wrung out by someone else and get confirmation its right :)

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Only advantage I can see for you running GT instead of SS is that GT/FA fits your car better in regards to min. wt. 3370 is alot easier to get to rather than ss/JA at 3525.

Also you might consider # of cars in class(es). Too many would make the chance of a heads up greatly increase. I would consider a stocker to be at a disadvantage in a heads up with most purpose built SS or GT cars.

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Good point and no doubt any SS Cars would probably eat my lunch, or GT Cars, best to avoid a heads up if possible.

Thanks, good advice

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Unless the rules have changed in 2010 (haven,'t download Rulebook), you have always been required to possess a Competition License to run SS/IA. This requires a medical exam then followed by testing in car. I did not notice in your posting that you had obtained the above license......you might want to check into that. I believe that the transmission blanket is only required when you are running 10.99 or faster no matter what record is as long as index is 11.00 or slower. Those are the reasons I always add the required weight to run SS/JA (can't fog mirror hardly --Let alone pass Med. Exam). Real Super Stock guys could probably elaborate on this further

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For what its worth... a few years back I saw Dan Fletcher race his Checkmate Super Stocker in S/G at E-Town national event. If the shoe fits... go for it.

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you may want to hook up the transbrake and go off the bottom bulb..may be better for your reaction times..unless you can footbrake pretty good...
not sure if you are familiar with the buttons they use so here is one example(if your even interested)

http://www.biondoracing.com/TransBrake.shtml

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I passed, and have a licence, added the $20 "Stock" to it at Atlanta, so did the Old Man. (Us holding our Blue Stock Temporary thingy's) We were liscenced for SuperGas last year or so.

The Challenger was set up to be legal for being FAST (like 9.50's) so all is good, the Trans and Flex shield was my call, it wasnt required, and a 904 isnt as likley as 727 to excape the case but.....well I shield all trannys.

I gotta Say John, my father has Cancer in his lung, bad, he has low iron from Chemo, he....well on and on.

BUT the medications hes on checked OK (no blood thinners) A Urinalysis and an EKG and He PASSED ! There is no reason for him not to except diminished lung capacity, hes not prone to blackouts etc. Divisional and National went over the stuff with a fine toothed comb and even called and faxed and refaxed stuff between the docs, in the end AOK For liscence. He was worried he wouldnt be able to so instead of making the runs in a friends Dragster he asked that I do "short car" :eek:

Try for it, my next is to crossover for long cars. my FED Project...:D

Thanks

Chris

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Shhhhhh.....the fact our Challenger DP has a hidden Transbrake hooked up the the Rev limiter to make it sound like a 2 step was supposed to be Seeeeeeccccccrrretttt..lol.

No but seriously the car dosent have one, its got an EShift Valve body. But no TB.....(I wish it did after you see my launch in person and 60ft times 1.45 ugh mind you I was hoping for 1.30 then later 1.2x) But well that was MY launch not the car.

No Transbrakes.......