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A/SA Irvin Johns, Charlestown IN, '09 Challenger 9.825 11.00 -1.175
That's one He-- of a run....

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Wow ! No Kidding !!! Congrats on that one !!

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stock has turned into super stock and super stock is slowly turning into comp elim. NHRA needs to now add a street class to take place of the original stock class

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I dont think we need a class change but we do need new rules. Maybe index run with a max .500 breakout would bring the classes even again.

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From what I hear Johns & Duell have plenty left. Should be one heck of a match up if they meet up in class!

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Looks like the 6.1 is going to get hit soon.

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how come nobody is killing themselves or jumping off a bridge when a Challenger go's that fast like if it was a CJ?
Dale

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I have just a smidge more respect for them because they don't have a blower on them.

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I think the blower and 4 valves play into it. It's not a brand thing.

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A/SA class run off's are a friggin' joke. Look at the MPH and et's on the DP Challengers. They are all over the planet. Dale they ARE just as bad as the blown Fords. It just amazes me that some think that just because they are fast with a grossly under rated car that they are such great engine builders and drivers.

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And the sad part is that the 6.1 DP is not the soft combo it's just one of many, if you look up the rest of the crate engines from mopar or ford there are some that are evan softer than that, like somebody said these folks aren't great drivers or engine builder they have BIG WALLETS but like to think they are good drivers or engine builder, But it's not really there fault it's NHRA's fault for not getting a little closer on the HP, and when i mean alittle closer i mean like 50 to 100HP more on some of them!!!!

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That would really be something if it was a REAL CAR that went that fast..

Hammer

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Ken, last fall at the Bowling Green Combo race Doug Duell had to race Thomas Arrnett heads up first round in A/SA. Arrnett 10.15 @ 128, Duell 9.72 @ 132 and Doug was in bracket mode.

Dale, I have been fish food at the races for quite some time. Santa never came and Bill will not give me a copy of the "Goat" picture.

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I was hoping to see even more DP and CJ cars show up so they might step it up a bit and maybe show a tad closer as to just how much they have left....Anyway, that's a helluva run by Irv Johns' car....he surely has put the work into his pkg....however, the Wallys haven't been given out yet, though....good luck to everyone in the field.....WJ

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Fred Hensen went 9.89 in 2007. Got instant hp the next week.

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Fred didnt fuel check, went red, didnt weigh and got HP on Monday. Killed the Hemi E Body Combo.

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AND he got the HP WITHOUT teardown, fuel check or a wt. check in killer air. Killed the combo for years.
Darn Herb....ya had me on the "Tree".....lol.

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And don't forget that HP was given back last fall by NHRA, One of those CJ's went 9.89 at Vegas last fall that is how the 08's got there 14hp but yet the 10's are 4hp less. And yes that was uncorrected it showed 9.89 on the board.

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And oh, BTW, with the old indexes and AHFS triggers, there would've been more than FORTY triggers set today! The whole factoring system is a joke.

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Larry I was sorry to hear about your motor, I was looking forward to seeing you and Patsy at Charlotte, all kidding a side it is hard to compare a race car like yours and the old CJ's to this new cars that are so under rated. It looks like no one knows what to do, but after a few EGO's get done with them they wont be able to run Stock. Santa will come but its going to be the presents for the new cars that will be for you.

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Oh yes......both publicially about 1.5 tenths, from previous runs.

Be REAL Intresting to see it play out.

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I'm sure it's been said thousands of times but, here is one more....Those cars and the CJ's should be in Superstock from the get go.....and now I go back to work....Thank you..have a beautiful day driving yourself nuts trying to compete with them...;)

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The best and most accurate post in this thread.

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Also spot on as usual.

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I heard one very well known engine builder who builds fast S/SS motors. He does most of his own head work and development. He said 90% of your engine builders out there are engine assemblers then they get a soft combo and they are hero's.

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Why is it when Bob Shaw finds some combo and runs 1.75 plus under no one bitc#'s. But a CJ or DP runs fast and it the end of the world.

I fail to see how you wieners think the 435 hp CJ should not be in stock eliminator.
The eng is available in a street mustang from Fords.
Ford motor CO and the UAW built 50 units.
So what if it has a Super Charger big deal. Some cars have two carbs shuold we outlaw cars with two carbs in stock because it"s not fare?

Could someone please tell me how a CJ is less of a stock eliminator car then David Barton’s Race hemi with a AUTO (that it never came with)?

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Charlie Bob, I doubt that Mr. Shaw is getting any help from Cadillac first of all. Second, any one is also welcome to build Mr. Shaws combo but there aren't many racers that want a "slow" race car. And the most important reason, Mr. Shaw is only "hurting" a hand full of people and most of those few people will applaude Mr. Shaw for his bravado. The DPs and SCJs are "hurting" a significant number of people and OBTW, most of them (but not all) have big egos and big wallets. It's kind of like standing in front of a fan with your two best buddies and throwing a handfull of s**t into it. If they ARE your buddies then they'll probably laugh about it. Now try the same thing in a room full of strangers and I'm gonna bet that you're gonna get a beating.

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Good thing that FIAT saved Chrysler from extinction and your tax dollars are now building drag packs. I hope you feel good when you sign your tax return. Although, according to FOX News 36% of all Americans pay no income tax after their deductions and tax credits. I guess only a maximum of 64% of all American tax payers can feel good about drag pack Challengers. I just don't see that many happy people on Class Racer. Maybe it'd just me............

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GM's supposed to pay back their big Govt. loan today. Maybe then they'll put the new Camaros in the classification guide? :D WJ

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Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Bob Shaw, an individual, went to the guide and found an old combination that was already there, and no one was racing, then took advantage of that.

Where as Ford and Chrysler, two mega dollar factories, went out and created purpose built race cars that were never intended to be street driven, and then went to NHRA and had them inserted into the guide with bogus HP ratings attached.

Nice try at comparing apples and oranges though. Good job with the name calling, too. Got anything else?

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Geez some of you guys are real jerks. Why would I want to race with you?

I am on the list for a 2010 DP and have been reading these forums to educate myself and learn what kind of men I would be racing with. I've been a Mopar man since high school 20 years ago. I'm not too impressed with some of you so far. Being upset about HP is one thing, but personal attacks against DP and CJ owners/ drivers is a whole 'nother ball game. I thought you guys wanted new blood in your sport? Some of you don't act that way.

If this is the kind of reception I can expect every weekend, I'll go back to road racing where competitors are actually willing to help each other out.

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Ford and Chrysler are trying to sell ever car they can and this is a tool they are trying, you should be thankful they are using your sport and and not just discounting prices to Avis, enterprize to sell more cars.
Dale

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ygbsm,
Just because you see a lot of grumbling here on this board doesn't mean that it's that way at the races. I've stock car raced, road raced and drag raced and I find more people willing to help and more friends in drag racing than I ever did in the other types of racing. Look at the qualifying sheets at most races and then look who post here. The forum doesn't have a lot of the regular racers posting here.
To be honest with you I've been working for several years on getting my Malibu compettitve for Stock Eliminator but haven't enetered a race yet(although I should later this year) and it's not a combo I would have searched and chosen but it was my son's first car we started building and after his death it just seemed like the thing to do. The 305 combo has been worked to death and it will fast(or I won't race it) but I like the newer FI cars and combos and my other stocker will probably be much faster(index wise) for far less money.
It's still fun and a bigger challenge than bracket racing(although you can still hone your driving skills at it with a stocker) and to me more fun than throttle stop racing. Road racing and stock car racing are by far more fun to drive(to me) but it is so much easier to drag race with a 1 man crew. Build your car and have fun racing, take all this with a grain of salt. Things have a way of working out in the end.

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NONE of these "CARS" should be in stock elim. They are limited production units, not street legal, and the DP cars are not even complete cars from MoPar.. They should be in S/S with a correct HP (main problem) rating and as far as the single 4 Hemi cars like Bartons it should be a 4-speed stick ONLY as that was how they came for NASCAR racing and WITHOUT a hood scoop. As far as Bob Shaws car goes it just proves what a joke the AHFS is when someone finds a bogus HP rated car and they are the only one in existance racing NHRA . They can protect the HP rating forever.
All these guys want is a FAIR shake in the HP ratings dept. and NHRA didnt give it to them and this forum is about the only place that they can piss and moan about the problem other than writing a zillion letters to NHRA that no one reads or couldnt care less about that get trash canned anyway.

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Welcome to the site. I pretty much feel the same way as you and btw, how fat is your wallet? :D

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Wrong is wrong.

WRONG: If Shaw goes -1.75 under, it's underrated and needs refactored.

WRONG: The DP and CJ cars are not only underrated, but also not street legal cars that have no business in Stock. I think they'd be fine in Super Stock, just like the limited production Hemis. My crate motor car is more of a Stocker than a DP or CJ car. Are they awesome cars? Oh, absolutely! I love both of them -- just not in Stock, and not at the purposefully low HP factors.

WRONG: The fuel injected LS-1/LT-1's were underrated when they came out, as were the Mopar trucks, paper cars, ad infinitum.

WRONG: cars with transmissions they didn't come with, Corvette rear suspensions, 292 truck carbs, camshaft specs on some 4cyl Mopars, and yes, even hoodscoops on Crate Motor Dusters.

So yeah, I got a problem with it. This is kinda like the political parties each pointing fingers at the other saying, "But they're wrong TOO!" What the h*ll good is that? Wrong is wrong, period, and it's ALL a bunch of BS, and everybody knows it. It's just that now, the horse has been let out of the barn for so long that nobody cares to try to fix it, and now its everybody looking out for their own agenda instead of the big picture and what's right.

And oh, BTW, I would have no problem if IHRA said that crate motor cars don't belong in Stock, and put them in Super Stock.

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That works just as well as telling us all how these cars will "save Stock Eliminator" and will "bring massive media exposure". It ain't happening.

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this must kill you that they are made in CANADA

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Well Alan I went to the track yesterday for the first time in about 5 yrs to watch stock and see the new CJ and Chryslers and by the way before I left home I watched Grace Howell on Pass Time. That is a start.
Dale

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Dale with your $$$$$$ you should buy a new Mustang and let Hawk and Kenny Milie race it for you. What a team ! I know how you just love to work on a race car......lol.