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Out of two other posts there is still no given answer, not legal in Div 3 dont cut it nor dose it will be announced soon. Alot of folks went and bought them after Pomona and I saw a bunch of them in Div 1. If Bruce said they were legal before why is there a change now? Lets get on with answering the question, soon is not soon enough. They aint cheap, alot of people need to know now.

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I wouldn't hang your hat on that either. After all didn't Conway Witten get hosed by Tech? He asked for approval on the spark plug adapters and got it. Then later NHRA said it was not legal. Not sure who messed that up, but it sure doesn't give anyone confidence in trying to get preapproval.

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AJE's are illegal ? Not that I need any but, I know Ralph Porpora (Sorry, if I misspelled your name)camaro has them on it. I saw them at Gville 2 weeks ago. I know this because a friend who was there with me had never seen thos before, and asked about them.

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Larry Hill said he was told at Belle Rose he could not run them in Div 3 as per his post last week.

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NHRA has a new posting in tech about the wheelie bars.

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Where do you go to find that tech page. I have looked everywhere.

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lucas page

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3/31/2010

The NHRA Technical department wants to remind Stock Eliminator competitors the use of additional bracing/tubing to frame, suspension or underbody is prohibited.

The 2010 NHRA Rulebook, on page 9.8 reads in-part "Wheelie bar brackets may be welded to rear axle housing; bars and associated brackets must be stand alone items and not attached to any suspension or other components."

The use of these wheelie bars are in violation of the NHRA Rulebook. Competitors with this style wheelie bar must bring their vehicle into full compliance with NHRA rules and regulations; on or before June 1st 2010

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What brought all this to light? I have seen these bars on Calverts cars for years? While I agree with the clairification. Did I miss something in the rule book about welded on sway bars? I have seen links and attachment points welded to the frame? I don't mean a coil spring car with a bolt on sway bar. I mean a leaf spring car with a sway bar control system on it? I don't know if that is legal or not? It has been several years since I have seen the photos of the cars in question.

Robert

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Did NHRA say anything about using dry ice in staging?

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Almost hesitate to enter into this for fear of being accused of b..ching but...Oh Well. Stock started allowing wheelie bars in 2002 I think. The wording has always been the same. Can not be attached to anything but the rear end housing. SS at the time had wheelie bars but it only stated that they could not be attached to the rear bumber of braces and it still reads that way today. But if you read the start of Super Stock it states that SS uses the same rules a Stock except where noted in the SS section. Nowhere in the SS section does it say that any part of the wheelie bar can be attached to anything so the rule from Stock applies to both Stock and Super Stock.
Just my read on the rules and as we know, opinions vary.

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I would like to thank Ralph Popora for allowing me to look at some length at the AJE bars on his car. It was a lot of engineering in a very small space and nicely done.

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This does not make any sense... What differance does it make if the bars pick up the diff and the upper body? Is it unsafe? No. Is it an advantage? No. Is it lighter? No. It is a differant approach for the same result. If anything it is a better approach to an outdated design. How about all the wheelie bars that are clearly too long for the car they are on. Very easy for a Camaro, Mustang and Mopar guy to see this...



Barry

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Although John Calverts Mustang has been equipped with AJE wheelie bars for several years now, it has always been as a Super Stocker. I don`t believe that he ever had the bars on when it used to run in Stock.

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I may be missing something, but the way the bars are designed they act as a lever with the fulcrum in the middle, not at the axle. If you push up on the wheel end it pushes DOWN on the end attached to the axle. On a normal set of bars the fulcrum is at the wheel end, lifting the axle.

Lew

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I think I started running them on my D/S AMX in 2005. I never even thought it could be a problem. D7 tech never said a word (and I know, past acceptance is not presedence).

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Here is my fix for the problem.
Weld a bar across the chassis with two pads on it, weld a strut at the fulcrum point with a pad on it. Gap the pads 1/8 inch. The bars will need to be attached solid to the rear instead of bolted. They should still work at the fulcrum point.

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If any one needs a set, I have a set that I would sell.

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I remember when the AJE bars were first brought to market and reading the tech information and seeing the photos of them installed and the theory of their operation.....while they are similar in appearance and do give you "wheelie" control they are considered a traction device and NHRA did not allow them to be used in stock....they have never been legal.....and if you read the general regs 3.6 you will see that they aren't legal in superstock either....they must be "fixed" at the attachment point and cannot pivot.....

pretty much black and white to me...no grey area there.....


D L Rambo.....

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I beg to differ; they are devised for wheelie control only! If you don't have traction you don't even need them.

Ernie Neal
SS3400

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Ernie....when the front end goes up and the bars hit the pavement they DRIVE the rear slicks into the pavement HARD..... traction device....pure and simple and nothing to debate about.....and why they aren't legal for competition......


D L Rambo

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? Traction devise? OK, The current std design wheelie bar ( both upper and lower bars attach to the diff) that is used will unload the wheels causing it to spin. Even with springs being used. Not a comp car or SS car, just an automatic stocker. Stick is totally differant.
I watched three rounds of qualifiying last year at a National event standing on the starting line with a video and I would say 90% of the wheelie bars now being used in Stock unload the tire. Is this a safety issue? The current setup we are using does not even contact the track surface unless the car gets too high and that is what they are intended for. I am thankful we have a grace period to work with however I think NHRA should take a second look at them.


Barry

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As far as the AJE bars being a traction device:

I only have a little experience with them but so far I have noticed the harder the car leaves the more the bars are "sucked up" when the car launches. Look at the photos of Calvert's Mustang, the wheels on the bars are almost on the ground in the staging lanes but the car still stands up higher than I like to go.

In my option the bars are not even going touch unless the car is already standing up, not a time when more traction is needed.

Bill Lamb