Proposal for Old Cars in Stock
 

I proposed accepting the 68 Dart/Cuda Hemi cars in Stock. The specs are in the book for the last 42 years, the parts are still available, the hp factor is about right using the specs in the guide and you could add weight and get to AA/S or AA/SA. 9 inch tires, springs, stock mounts, original seats (they still around), no tubs, like stock is. The cam is smaller than the 64/65 car. The current factor is about 7.1 lbs/hp.

How about the Viper with an automatic (or at least in SS). The chevys got any trans they can think of (stick or manual), and we all know there are some questionable combos that have auto's that maybe didn't.

Salvation for some of the Darts/Cudas that are now out of SS/AH, and the Viper has never been run because of the trans in drag racing.. Who knows, maybe these cars (and I'm sure there some FoMoCo and Bowtie stuff) that might run with the new cars.

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Sounds like the fox guarding the hen house.
Let's divert attention from the bogus hp on the new cars by fudging the HP on some old
combos that wouldn't fit into stock if you submitted it to a committee of deaf,dumb and blind committee members.
I have no sympathy for someone who has a real or cloned Hemi car.Gee after all who would buy an old heapike that.
And yeah,untub them and put them in stock.But hey,they have so much HP that the rule has to be changed to let them run a 10 1/2" tire.How fast could they run on them.Uhh look how fast cars go in the 10 1/2" tire class.
And what the hell let's include the Viper with an auto.Just another rule change.
All to cover up an H car in the mid tens and Mustangs with 9.40 or faster potential.
Let's go for it.Another nail in the coffin.
On the other hand Jeff might just be funning us due to the date on the calender.:>)

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how about we get NHRA to defactor the 2006 Z06 to about 415. then let's play ball in AA/S

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that will never happen chad,GM is not the official truck of the nhra anymore...would be sweet though.

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yes it would. I visions of titanium valves, rods, CNC'd heads and Dry Sump systems dancing in my head, lol. Too bad it will never happen

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[QUOTE=Jeff Teuton;179187]I proposed accepting the 68 Dart/Cuda Hemi cars in Stock. The specs are in the book for the last 42 years, the parts are still available, the hp factor is about right using the specs in the guide and you could add weight and get to AA/S or AA/SA. 9 inch tires, springs, stock mounts, original seats (they still around), no tubs, like stock is. The cam is smaller than the 64/65 car. The current factor is about 7.1 lbs/hp.



Salvation for some of the Darts/Cudas that are now out of SS/AH,

Id like to see this. IHRA's AA/S is a 7.0 wt breakk class. Another 1/2 lb per HP (213 lbs if rated at 425 HP) wouldnt be all that bad to carry for NHRA. The SS/AH class as it is now is completely out of hand unless you are a multi millionaire with a big ego. They would be quick no doubt even with the added wt. and smaller cam. It would be like 1968 all over again and be a good match for the 64 T-Bolts like Calverts. The new blown Ford Mustangs would still out run them though until the AHFS catches up (yeah right). Remember that the 'Cudas and Darts ran mid 10's on old technology 10 1/2 tires and the 9" tires are way better today. Of course you could use the 10.5 tire in IHRA. Most ran a flat tappet ISKY .505 cam for S/S when they were new cars and the current (B.S. stocker rules in the cam, lifter, and spring dept) is way ahead of 1968 technology. Whats the big deal? Stock isnt stock anymore anyway. Jeff if I was still with IHRA I would try to "GET-R-DONE". Neat idea even if it was an April 1st joke or not.

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As long as we are at it, I'd like to run a 1957 Supercharged Ford, with a C4, Blue Thunder alum heads & intake, beehive valve springs, superceded Novi supercharger, etc. Oh well I can dream can't I? Fred

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Ed very well said
The cover up part is spot on
Mr teuton the best thing you can do is be quiet and be glad NHRA let you pervert the class....

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Let's say they lower the numbers to 5.0 and up, then I can build that '65 aluminum 427 Cobra I've wanted to drag race......anybody got a spare million?

JimR

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Mark, you obviously don't know me. Keeping quiet is not one of my atributes. Perverting what class?

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Mark, Jeff has the right to remain silent but not the ability. Perversion: Is that when a person uses all of the chicken instead of just the feathers?

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Larry,

I just noticed that you are a VIP member of the forum.How did you get that title? Congrats!

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He talks a lot.

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I thought for sure Drooze had him beat. LOL!

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Yeah but noone like what I say or how I say it :D

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I think there should be an AHFS for number of posts.There is NO way that I have the time to make 869 posts in just a 6 month period.
What should the factor be to help make everything more fair?

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It is already in place. The more you sit here and type the more weight is added to your *****. :)

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Good thing I stand and type......and its 871 :D

Besides Im down under 215 and pretty damm fit if I do say so, got rid of the winter soda pop lbs.

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U better keep in shape! Your pit crew may leave u high and dry if u don't!:D Mr.Teuton, obviously there are a few people on here that have never met you...........Cause if they have they would get the humor. It's a good time to be a mopar or ford guy! Just wish Government Motors would let the camaro come and play, but I know of someone that has a LS2 C6 coming to AA and A/SA that has something to say about the Ford and Mopar stuff. Only time will tell!

David Buckner 45 STK

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With the 2006 Z06 at 415, you would still get smacked by the Cobra Jets in AA. It's possible they would have to find a way to get the car to AA weight but that's still a joke.

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Are you saying you dont have class?
Don't you feel we need to have class in the type of racing we do?
At the end of the day don't you feel how we treat our fellow racers is what this is about?
If you know what your doing isn't right isn't it up to you to do what is right?
Is a couple of days of being happy that your got it over you fellow racers in the class you run is it worth it?
You ran over 1/2 of a second faster then the record do you feel H/Sa is the right place for your car?
Let us know what that motor made for HP on the dyno and lets see how anyone that runs in H/SA can even come within 75-100 HP
Jeff never be quiet I agree but also dont be un fair to you fellow racers
Money doesnt make the man class does....

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Mark, Jeff is a class act, he put's his money where his mouth is. You'll just to have to add weight and move to I/sa for a while. Claude

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Mark I don't think Jeff has gone quicker than 11.01 on any run that counted in nhra competition. Time trials or tnt runs could be 500# light or who knows what. I do know that in class eliminations he won one race by .004 thats just good racing.:D:D

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Jeff, I like it! After all there are Super Stockers already running stock (CJs and DPs).

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I think, I know where Mark is coming from, but not sure. As we all know, Jeff is a SRAC member and he is supposed to be looking out for the best interests of the racers. Then he shows up with a killer crate motor car running in regular Stock classes. Mark nor anyone else knows how much input Jeff had in getting this car into the Class Guides. And Jeff is also a Mopar dealership co-owner. It looks like a situation that is loaded with frustrating conflicts.

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Boy, I can't win here. Even the moderator is shooting me. I think I will just quit here and go put the SS motor in my car for Houston. But someone tell me what's wrong with looking at some older combos? They were all out there. Why not look at them? Maybe there is something out there for the purist that don't like the new cars. I like both. I got both. I race both.

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[QUOTE=Jeff Teuton;179611]Boy, I can't win here.

Dont quit Jeff.......I cant win on here either but a lot of us on here enjoy your posts and think you are good racer. I dont think the new cars are rated correctly either but thats up to NHRA......not the guys runing the cars. The AHFS sucks and racers will always figure out how to manipulate the system. Hang in there.
Terry

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Jeff,
Moderators are allowed to post here as well. I'm not shooting at you. Like about 1,000 other racers, I'm just trying to make some sense out of this thread and the frustration that has accompanied the new crate motor cars in Stock. Your humorous posts about sucking down beverages at your fishing camp are fun but, as you already know, they don't tell us much about your part in this debacle. And, as a SRAC representative you should tell the racers what part you have played (if any) in bringing the crate motor cars into Stock. The SRAC position you have works both ways when it comes to information flow. How do you reasonably reconcile being a Mopar dealership co-owner, a crate motor racer in Stock and your position on the SRAC? Again, I enjoy your good old Big-Boy humor but you should tell the racers the truth about any influence you may or may not have had during the classification process of these new cars. As you always say, nhra will not put cars in the class guides on their own. nhra needs help from outside sources to facilitate the process. It's important for the racers to know and understand how all this transpired. No Joke, you could really help all of us understand how this process played out.

X-Techman, Jeff loves coming out here and enjoying the fun and besides he said he was just going out to put his SS motor in his car before Houston.

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[QUOTE=Bruce Noland;179634]Jeff,
And, as a SRAC representative you should tell the racers what part you have played (if any) in bringing the crate motor cars into Stock. The SRAC position you have works both ways when it comes to information flow. How do you reasonably reconcile being a Mopar dealership co-owner, a crate motor racer in Stock and your position on the SRAC? Again, I enjoy your good old Big-Boy humor but you should tell the racers the truth about any influence you may or may not have had during the classification process of these new cars.

Jeff -- Before answering any of this have you been Mirandized ? Holy Cow -- talk about being on the spot ..........................

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this is great where was all the bitching as nhra slowly enhanced stock? aftermarket heads, blocks, rods, carbs, no more cam spec other than lift, valve springpressure, 700.00$ lifters etc etc. no one cared because they all thought that any of these things could give them a edge on the next guy.now that they will never have an advantage over these newer combos its cryin time. but if the shoe was on the other foot and thier combo got some bogus parts that would be great.on the other hand nhra should make a crate motor class for these new cars. you cant kick them out now but you can try to make it fair. look at ihra 15 out of 20 top qualifiers in stock are crate motor, but they have thier own class so thier not peeing in the pool of traditional combos. everyone pissed and moaned ihra isnt true stock eliminator now look at what you got makes ihra look pretty good

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It's called human nature.

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Jeff Im not telling you anything you anything you dont know. BUT it was advice I was given by a "lurker" here and I find it to be true to some degree.

BUT I want to put it out there for others to see and think of mayb e they themselves have been a party to is subconciously and this will help them see it.

Me, hell I open myself up to all kinds of attacks so no suprise there, but this was early when I had yet to really be my obnoxious self.

Here goes.....

MANY Class Racers are Mad about the CJ and the DP Cars.

They complained a LOT about the CJ's before the DP Started hitting the track.

THEN Something interesting happened......More and More DP Cars began actually RUNNING and not getting mothballed like many of the CJ Cars have.

THEN also since MANY of the DP Owners were previously, or are future Class Racers that post here.

ALL DP Became a Target, AND We respond.

See how many "pro" CJ Posts there are there are a few but, well not near as many as the total of DP owners.

DP Owners simply give people who are upset about the NHRA Allowing the CJ and DP cars a visible verbal target here.

Youre right, you cant win, none of us ever will half will like it half will be angry.......nothing good would make BOTH happy I dont think.

Just another 37cent installment from someone who is full of ****

Cheers

Chris

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half will like it half will be angry. more like the guys with the new cars will like it the 20 or 30 of them out there. while the 1000 plus masses will not. seems like the way of the world everyone suffers for the interest of a small minority. and in nhras case everyone suffers to keep the blob well fed. not tryin to be a d#@k but this is not fair this is not progress these cars arent even street legal. they need thier own class thats about it no stick or auto seperate. 4-5 new classes, no big deal, proper factoring would be nice, but if theyre all in the same group would it really matter?

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Yes old combo's should be in if they want to. Also anybody that knows Jeff could tell you he would never do anything to advance his cars just because he is a Rep. Just like the ford guys he bought his car of choice and with all the knowledge he has gained over the years put it to good use. Who cares if he is a mopar dealer, he has worked his whole life just like everyone else and could have lost that but for the grace of god he was not one of the dealers cut lose by mopar. Jeff is the last person I would blame for this hp crap, how about putting the blame on nhra where it belongs. Well I got more than 2 cents worth

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I agree Jeff. If not let us pick a stock class where all these cars can run against each other with acceptable replacement parts. We should do this in SS as well. I called for it 4 years ago and have been pushing for it every since. There is no reason for these cars to be exempted for no good reason.

It would also include, Stage II Buicks, RA-V Pontiacs, L88 Corverttes, Hemi cars, 421SD cars with heads like the Hemi guys get as replacements, Tunnel Port Fords, SOHC Fords, AMC dual quad 390s, High Port 427 Ford and all the factory "RACE" cars.

However, allowing some run and other not because of race gerrymandering is unacceptable.

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[QUOTE=Jack Matyas;179638]Jack,
Jeff is never on the "spot." Many, many racers want to know how these cars made it into Stock and Super Stock. Who better to ask than a SRAC representative with knowledge in all areas of this issue? The racers should be told how, and who helped, these cars make it into Stock and Super Stock.

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If you want to talk about influence, let us talk about how a Square Port BBC is ok to take off the production line and refit it with a 427, but doing the same thing at the dealer is not OK?

How about letting a SCAB shops do cars with different parts and motor specifications is OK, but a Factory authorized part numbered swap is not OK if an authorized dealer did it. I dont criticize these cars cause they are way cool, but to exempt ours is preposterous

How about replacement parts accepted that never came on a car, but factory part numbers entities deemed "not legal"?

How about "any duration" in stock class for lo-po combos killing all the combos with huge factory duration with no HP adjustments?

If you ask me Jeff hits the nail on the head with some common sense, and the other stuff is just promoting the existing, self-fulfilling, gerrymandered advantage with no real actual rhyme or reason. How can we tell this is true? The guilty ones are out in numbers with the canary tail feathers hanging out of their mouths.

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Bruce - You really are putting him on the spot by saying to him -- " you should tell racers the truth " ...........that alone implies that he isn't or won't .............I'd be insulted for sure .

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I propose a 1949 Hudson Hornet+

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Jeff,

Don't let it get to you. Anyone can build your combo, so to me there is no advantage.

As far as the moderator goes, yes Bruce is one of my moderators but don't let that bother you. Bruce has opinions and I have no problems with him expressing them. Bruce and I are on total opposite sides of this subject, but that's okay. I'm not going anywhere and I hope you don't.

I race a so called paper car in A and AA and was never the fastest, although it was competitive. I know have no chance to out run the new CJ's and DP's, but do you see me calling for the heads of NHRA and or the owners of these cars, no way. I have lots invested, money and time, but I see no difference with some who runs a soft combo and kicks my butt or runs these new cars, being out run is being out run. If I want to run with them, I will have to build one.

So Jeff, keeping on posting, no one on this site will stop you from expressing your opinion on this subject.

One other note, at the track, opinions on the new cars are way more positive then negative.