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Originally Posted by jim1761
I have been trying to talk Kevin Sway into this but I am wondering how many people out there would be interested? Have a .90 Gamblers weekend (Similiar to the Mitchell races)
3 races- fri,sat, sun run the .90 classes with Top Sportsman and Dragster....No dealing with NHRA or sticker money.... cash at the end of the day

I think if the timing of race was right it would draw a lot of cars! I'll be there would also help out in organizing it! Call me 732-239-6490 732-239-6490 Tommy De

Doesnt have to be just Atco, what a great idea. Opinions??

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me like, as long as the entry fee is not CRAZY.

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Ditto...I'd go! Would be nice if it was week before or after a D1 race that was fairly close. Atco is 6-7 hours for me and would rather just take extended vaca and stay in the area.

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Ok, so I have to put my 2 cents in on the subject and see what everyone thinks. Now I agree with Jim that a 3 day sportsman type race would be great and it would be all about the sportsman racer but, you have associations that are out there that are not NHRA in D-1 that already do this. You have Dave Ley's EC Stock and Super Stock, MASGA and now the Super Comp Series is back. Most of these series already have a 2 day race within a race for the sportsman guy. They run 2 races in a weekend to cut down on the cost of towing, you get 2 time shots on both days and then go into 1st round not, 2 time shots on a Thursday when it's 95 degrees out and then you run 1st round on a Friday at 8am and 55 degrees out. June 5th and 6th you have Super Gas and Super Comp at Atco a week before the National at E-Town. I'm sure Joe would allow you to leave your trucks and trailers at the track till Wednesday. July 10th & 11th at Maple Grove it's almost like a National Event for sportsman guys, with S/G and S/C Sat and Sun, Stock and Super Stock on Sunday. MASGA is at Cecil the week before the D-1 Race and the S/C Series is at Maple Grove that same weekend which is a quick hour, hour and half drive to Cecil. The one thing to remember is you don't have to join the points to run these races, everyone is welcomed ( I mean we've had a dude from California run the past 2 MASGA Races at Cecil). What I think we should really do is have someone look into forming a Super Street Series in this area (I know they have a successful one up in upstate N.Y. but thats a drive). Set the series up, Piggy back it onto the Super Comp and Super Gas Series and bam you have a .90 weekend type series. If it's payout that your worried about talk to the guys who run the series, I'm sure Tom Boyle and Lucky are not going to push you away if you have a suggestion. They try there best to keep the entry fees to a decent minimum so your not having to take out a 2nd mortgage on your home to race and to be honest with you the payouts are not that bad for a 32 car race. The more cars we get the better the payout.

Just my .02 cents
Rob K. (rekeister@aol.com)
1198 S/Gas

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enough with the plugs, answer the question.......

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sounds ok to me but a lot of other races and only so many weekends in a season...

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i lke the upstate n.y. idea

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d1hitter I'm not plugging anything or here to start a posting war, I'm just stating the facts. Between D-1 Races, National Opens, Bracket Races and Association Races why go and add more races to an already packed schedule. Get with the people who run an already established series and throw the idea at them, support that and say "Hey how bout we do a 3 day .90 series weekend....I have a list of 30 racers who said they would support the race and would come so let's get the ball rolling".

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I'm in agreement with Rob and Bryan..

There are lots of races already for .90 racers....maybe not as many in the south for S/ST, the only series around here is the NESSA at LVD and also one run at NE dragway...

But as Rob says, if there is that much interest in running SST races, why dont the SST racers get with Rob, and tag along with the MASGA races ? I would bet most tracks would be receptive to additional cars coming in, but you need a head on the horse (just like the other series) to run the race, collect money, get the ladder, etc...

I'm sure that D1 Hitter would be glad to help the SST guys out !

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I can not take this.my dad always says you have to spend cash to make cash.will not waste my time if its not a BIG pay out.yea lets pay 25.00 to win 100.00. **** that.200.00 per day to get in.

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X2 ........We pay more than that for NHRA and crap track! .....Tom

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Well i did want to say 300.00 but am shore my screen would water up.

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I don't have a problem with big entry as long as it's big purse.
100.00 entry 5000.00 to win
200.00 entry 10,000.00 to win

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We are entering our eigth season with our NESSA (Northeast Super Street Assoc.) program which has grown each year. The car counts increase every year. It is affordable, fun and very competitive. I have tried two day events however the car counts were not engough to continue. That being said I have set the schedule for this year as one day events which are held on Saturdays only. If there is enough interest in the two day events I will be glad to entertain the idea once again. Many of the NESSA racers like to run our event on Saturday and bracket race on Sunday for the track points. I think seeing many of these small associations cropping up are a good thing. Especially through these tough times when many racers cannot afford to make the divisional or national tour. All you need is a track to work with you and you are set. LVD has been very supportive to us over the years which has contributed to our success. Anyone interested in our program or just running our events, come on up or over. You do not have to be a member to run our events. Check out our website at www.nessaracing.com.
Contact me anytime if you have questions.
Lets keep the sport strong!

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The problem you have with super class racers. Is that if theres not a little gold man going to the winner. They wont spend the money to race for some real money. They would rather spend $175 to race for $1500 and spend three days at the track for one race. When they could spend $100 to $200 and race for some real money and have 3 races in one weekend. With a chance to go home with some good money.

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The other problem you have is that you need 80 to 100 cars in each class to make the payout match a mitchell race. If you go to a mitchell race at atco you only see 10 to 15 super comp racers there. Why is that no little man but theres good money and they still wont come. So i dont think you can draw the car count you need to make the payout good.

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I guess its another one of those things that seem to be only good in theory.

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Gary,
It is a good theory and always sounds good on paper. I mean the way Atco is able to pay out the payouts during the Mitchell and Stalba races is the "buybacks" after 1st round and the money the sponsors put up. I mean if there was a way Jim could pitch the theory to someone like Jegs or PC Richards or another big company about what he wants to do it may work. This way you kind of keep the entry fee's down and more low-buck racers will be able to afford it and show up. The sad part is Super Gas only draws 60 to 70 cars per D-1 Race and National Events on the East Coast (The rest of the field is D-2 or D-3 Cars) and A LOT of S/G drivers have sold their cars for Dragsters cause they can Bracket Race and S/C race and be competitive in both classes. I mean I know it's only a National Open and this year they did away with points and it's way early in the year for people to be ready but there was 30 S/G cars at Atco and not many more S/C and Super Street Cars. Now it's either a sign that people are getting tired of NHRA or are just finding better things to do with there money. I hope Jim can work something out and something comes from this but, everyone needs to be on board and riding the same train.

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Just for curiousity's sake, is there a normal, or acceptable entry vs payout ratio? 15:1? ($1,500 win for $100 entry). More? I've read where people have said they "won't leave the house for anything less than $2,500 to win", in regards to big money bracket races. The only bad thing about most of those races, you basically need to get down to 4-8 cars left to really make it worthwhile. I think the WFC at Bristol one year, you needed to go, or win, I forget, six rounds just to get your entry fee back. I think it would suck to drive your *** off for six rounds, lose a close race or have something happen to the car/track, lose, and *maybe* get just your entry back.

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You all make good points. I'll never be able to figure out why racers will spent 3 days sitting around waiting, when they can go for 2 days and RACE. That is the big difference between a Divisional and a Super Comp Circuit race. Money, a "Wally", whatever, do you want to race or not? My apologies to those who think this is a plug, but if the racers would quit moaning and groaning about the NHRA and join the different associations for SC, SG,SST, and go to their races,,they will grow into exactly what everyone wants. I can only speak for the Super Comp Circuit, but we use to average 32 cars at a race, pay $1000. to the winner and still pay $25 to second rd. loser. Racing was every bit as competitive as any Div. 1 race because it was the same poeple and everyone (well almost everyone) got to know each other and was much more enjoyable than the 3 day deal. Racing is supposed to be fun and you can't keep everyone happy all the time. If you want the big money, get out of .90 racing. The tracks will deal with you IF you become big enough. About the 6th or 7th year of our Circuit we started getting over 30 cars at a race and Joe Sway (#1 guy in my book) came to me and gave me $100 to put into the payout and told me that any time we had over 30 cars he would do that. I then went to Cheap-*** Maple Grove, where our other Circuit races were held and shamed them into doing the same. My point is: Join you associations, make them strong, and you can accomplish alot. Just talking about it will not do anything. Sorry for being long winded and offending anyone.. Rob and NED890, you hit the nail on the head. Tom Boyle.

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After rereading my post, I should have said " Cheap-*** George Case instead fo Maple Grove.