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House of Darts 04-10-2010 06:07 PM

Accepted intake manifold
 
Looking through the blueprint specs there are listings for intake manifolds for some SB Mopars. If there is no such listing given, is there some flexibility for the factory manifold used. Can manifolds be used from different years providing that they are still factory 2 or 4 bbl? Thanks

Chris "drooze" Wertman 04-10-2010 06:17 PM

Re: Accepted intake manifold
 
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Originally Posted by House of Darts (Post 181190)
Looking through the blueprint specs there are listings for intake manifolds for some SB Mopars. If there is no such listing given, is there some flexibility for the factory manifold used. Can manifolds be used from different years providing that they are still factory 2 or 4 bbl? Thanks

I too am VERY curious about this a combo I would like to consider someday well no manifold is mentioned, and I know the Japaneese market version is much more efficient....

SSDiv6 04-10-2010 08:46 PM

Re: Accepted intake manifold
 
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Originally Posted by House of Darts (Post 181190)
Looking through the blueprint specs there are listings for intake manifolds for some SB Mopars. If there is no such listing given, is there some flexibility for the factory manifold used. Can manifolds be used from different years providing that they are still factory 2 or 4 bbl? Thanks

No. You have to contact NHRA. There are too many different engine specifications within the same engine family.

SSDiv6 04-10-2010 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by drooze (Post 181192)
I too am VERY curious about this a combo I would like to consider someday well no manifold is mentioned, and I know the Japaneese market version is much more efficient....

Japanese market version?

GTX JOHN 04-11-2010 12:01 AM

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.I am confused...are you talking about small block V8 or 4-6 cylinder mopar import stuff. All V8 stuff we run has multiple part #s and they do seem to flow and perform a little different for us. Thanks John Irving

Chris "drooze" Wertman 04-11-2010 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 181210)
Japanese market version?

Yeah the one in my question is a "captive import" but its in the guides....

As in made in Japan, and branded here.....so the JDM (Japaneese Domestic Market) version of it is slightly different because of lack of emission controls then in Japan......

If I can actually FIND one, I had one once but now in 2 years I have found 2 both rusted beyond reason.

Chris "drooze" Wertman 04-11-2010 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GTX JOHN (Post 181235)
.I am confused...are you talking about small block V8 or 4-6 cylinder mopar import stuff. All V8 stuff we run has multiple part #s and they do seem to flow and perform a little different for us. Thanks John Irving


I am pretty sure the original person meant an 8, I didnt mean to "hijack it" sorry....the one I am interested in is a 4 import

House of Darts 04-11-2010 03:18 PM

Re: Accepted intake manifold
 
I have a print out from NHRA that has manifold part#'s. There is no listing for the 273 4bbl. The 273 4bbl intake for the '65 has a different bolt pattern than the later years. The intakes runners are lower on the intake manifold than the superceded 302 head. The difference at the top of the port are significant and disturbs the gas/air flow from the intake to the head. I would like to use the late model intake from a 4 bbl 318 motor that the 302 was mated. Thanks

Jeff Lee 04-11-2010 05:20 PM

Re: Accepted intake manifold
 
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Originally Posted by House of Darts (Post 181357)
I have a print out from NHRA that has manifold part#'s. There is no listing for the 273 4bbl. The 273 4bbl intake for the '65 has a different bolt pattern than the later years. The intakes runners are lower on the intake manifold than the superceded 302 head. The difference at the top of the port are significant and disturbs the gas/air flow from the intake to the head. I would like to use the late model intake from a 4 bbl 318 motor that the 302 was mated. Thanks

Is n't this the engine that received the Edelbrock LD4B as a superseded part?

House of Darts 04-11-2010 05:34 PM

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If it is, you just made life a whole lot easier. I can not find this info.

Todd Boyer 04-11-2010 09:54 PM

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I don't think a 318-4 manifold is gonna be legal. They were 1978 and newer and were Thermoquad only. I think you'll need a manifold with the "little AFB" pattern.
I believe Paul Wong and Bill Bushmaker have experience with these engines. As Jeff said, if the Edelbrock is legal, that will help a lot!

Jeff Lee 04-11-2010 11:44 PM

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Paul Wong is running the LD4B. It was approved for the 273 mid to late last year. It's probably worth a 25 HP improvement...;)

Rory McNeil 04-12-2010 01:39 AM

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Back in the early 70`s, I had a daily driver 65 Valiant Signet 2 dr HT with a factory 273/235HP & 4 speed.It had an iron intake manifold, but I later installed an Edelbrock LD4B, but to make it fit, I had to hog out the intake bolt holes, and used flat washers with the bolts. I remember seeing some other LD4B intakes with Chrysler part numbers on them, but mine did not. Was that a D Dart thing, or a over the counter MoPar sold intake?

SSDiv6 04-12-2010 11:35 AM

Re: Accepted intake manifold
 
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Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 181449)
Back in the early 70`s, I had a daily driver 65 Valiant Signet 2 dr HT with a factory 273/235HP & 4 speed.It had an iron intake manifold, but I later installed an Edelbrock LD4B, but to make it fit, I had to hog out the intake bolt holes, and used flat washers with the bolts. I remember seeing some other LD4B intakes with Chrysler part numbers on them, but mine did not. Was that a D Dart thing, or a over the counter MoPar sold intake?

There was an early Edelbrock LD4B intake for the 273 and sometimes you can find them in Ebay. Yes, many of the LD4B and six-pack intakes were available with factory part numbers and available over the counter. The "D" Dart intake was a single plane intake, not a dual plane. Same intake used in the marine application engines.

Jeff Lee 04-12-2010 09:15 PM

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Even AMC had a factory p/n cast into the Edelbrock R4B. In fact, I think all the "4B" series by Edelbrock had a factory p/n cast into them at one time (Buick, Pontiac, AMC, Chrysler...)
Somebody really snookered NHRA on this:eek:

Ed Fernandez 04-13-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 181707)
Even AMC had a factory p/n cast into the Edelbrock R4B. In fact, I think all the "4B" series by Edelbrock had a factory p/n cast into them at one time (Buick, Pontiac, AMC, Chrysler...)
Somebody really snookered NHRA on this:eek:

Jeez,too bad you can't put one on a stocker.Especially with a Holley on top.

SSDiv6 04-13-2010 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 181857)
Jeez,too bad you can't put one on a stocker.Especially with a Holley on top.

I have seen copies of the original factory data showing the Holley carburetor as an approved replacement carb and the intake as an over the counter option. Do not know why NHRA has not approved the intake and Holley for the AMC applications, but will do it for other makes.

Jeff Lee 04-14-2010 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 181916)
I have seen copies of the original factory data showing the Holley carburetor as an approved replacement carb and the intake as an over the counter option. Do not know why NHRA has not approved the intake and Holley for the AMC applications, but will do it for other makes.

Lets just say I pulled more hair out of my head on this issue with NHRA than I care to discuss. I presented the documentation for god knows how long, off and on for 10 years. The best statement from NHRA was "we agree with the documentation but don't want to go down that road again like we've done with the Ford parts"

House of Darts 04-14-2010 04:29 PM

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So. Does anyone have the p/n for this intake and better yet a picture of this intake?

Myron Piatek 04-14-2010 06:31 PM

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LD4B - Chrysler part# 2836139 (?)
http://victorylibrary.com/graphics/LD4B.JPG

I'm pretty sure that the earlier version of the LD4B with the different angled bolt holes would have had a different part #. I'll post it if I find it.


Jeff gave me a hint with his AMC intake designation. Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure the early Edelbrock 273 intake was called an D4B.


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