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Steve Williams 04-24-2010 03:59 PM

Racing at Indy?
 
Has anything went down the track today?

Larry Hill 04-24-2010 04:30 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Nothing's been posted on DRC yet. Boy, will I be glad when we are "Live" again. This sucks sitting home and waiting for someone to let you know what's going on!

Patsy

SG316V 04-24-2010 04:35 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Im curious as well... as of 5:45 I only see T/D and TAD posted. Radar looks like rain again too possibly

TimKGillespie 04-24-2010 05:46 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
all but SS got a run before rain hit again, including snowmobiles...weather permitting, SS out at 9 am for qualifier then elims...if not, reschedule event to later date...open fields

TimKGillespie 04-24-2010 05:58 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Pouring rain now...trying to hear Leo on PA...
Sorry for brevity...posting from my phone...

Beth Denysenko 04-24-2010 06:09 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Let's hope all the severe stuff skirts you all down there. It's coming up from the south, but seems to be going east just enough . What a slap in the face - even the SNOWMOBILES got to make a pass before Super Stock. Jay really does hate Super Stock.

Toby Lang 04-24-2010 06:14 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TimKGillespie (Post 183917)
Pouring rain now...trying to hear Leo on PA...
Sorry for brevity...posting from my phone...


I assume the four people added to the bottom of the qualifying sheet didn't make a run for one reason or another, right?

How come Mike Meints got DQ'd? If it was for fuel or weight shouldn't he be added to the bottom of the sheet also since they didn't get the scheduled amount of qualifying runs?


-Toby

TimKGillespie 04-24-2010 06:34 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Just saw Turk roll out Gate 8...Soldatt is broke...Hollingsworth pushed back to back of lanes before todays run...all I know.
FYI...yetserday only stk, sst, and sg made runs before rain hit.

TinSoldier 3215 04-24-2010 06:49 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
does anyone know what the plans is for sunday? thanks.

Barnstorm 04-24-2010 07:26 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Can anyone explain the workings of DRC? Would't you think they would post "racing done...we're going for a beveridge".....or have they already had some.......?

Renay 04-24-2010 08:35 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Leo announced that we would try to get a qualifying round in for Super Stock at 9 AM on Sunday. Since every other category actually got a run today, those fields are set. Once Super Stock is qualified, eliminations will start. There was no scheduled announced beyond this.

The weather forecast for Sunday is not good. In fact, several racers have already thrown in the towel and left. I think some of them left more because of the fact that Jay ran every single category today from the top of the rotation - including the snowmobiles - before they pulled Super Stock out. The first three categories had ready been down the track yesterday. Why wouldn't they go to the end of the rotation today instead of starting all over with them again? If that had happened, all of us would have had at least one run down the track by now. We could have immediately started with eliminations tomorrow. I just don't get it....

If we are unable to start eliminations tomorrow, the race will be rescheduled and the fields will be open to anyone at that time. So far, rumor that I have heard has the rain out date tentatively planned for May 22-23. Again, just rumor right now.

hemidup 04-24-2010 09:08 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Snowmobiles should be classed for EX. Being from MN, I love them dearly and own 2, but they don't belong on asphalt. Next thing you know, they'll have qualifing rounds for Moped's before the SS cars.

charlie westcott 04-24-2010 09:56 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Maybe Jay has been drinking the NHRA cool aid too long. I lost alot of respect for him last year at columbus sportsnats when he gave away 5K of mopars money to low qualifier in SS/AH when we all said we would be glad to run the next day. It seems like whenever we had a rain event at a D3 race, they never call it till its dark out. We sit around all day wondering whats going to happen, than they call it at 6 pm.
I am glad I stayed home to work, I made 4 intake manifolds since friday, slightly more lucrative than going to a points meet to try and win 7 rds for 1500.00.
cw

hemidup 04-24-2010 10:13 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie westcott (Post 183958)
Maybe Jay has been drinking the NHRA cool aid too long. I lost alot of respect for him last year at columbus sportsnats when he gave away 5K of mopars money to low qualifier in SS/AH when we all said we would be glad to run the next day. It seems like whenever we had a rain event at a D3 race, they never call it till its dark out. We sit around all day wondering whats going to happen, than they call it at 6 pm.
I am glad I stayed home to work, I made 4 intake manifolds since friday, slightly more lucrative than going to a points meet to try and win 7 rds for 1500.00.
cw

Charlie Westcott, your still one of my hero's.

Frito 04-25-2010 04:26 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie westcott (Post 183958)
Maybe Jay has been drinking the NHRA cool aid too long. I lost alot of respect for him last year at columbus sportsnats when he gave away 5K of mopars money to low qualifier in SS/AH when we all said we would be glad to run the next day. It seems like whenever we had a rain event at a D3 race, they never call it till its dark out. We sit around all day wondering whats going to happen, than they call it at 6 pm.
I am glad I stayed home to work, I made 4 intake manifolds since friday, slightly more lucrative than going to a points meet to try and win 7 rds for 1500.00.
cw

X3, Well said but you didn't mention the SNOWMOBILES!!!!! WTF??:confused:

charlie westcott 04-25-2010 06:28 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
I dont really have an opinion on the sleds, I think they keep inviting more classes to fill the void of the people that dont participate in the classes they already have. I think if they had stock, super stock, comp, and one .90 class and one all out dial class like T/D or T/S that would be sufficient. All the bases would be covered. Did they have T/S at indy? thats usually good for some serious crashes based on previous years.
cw

http://hemimilitia.com/Index.html

X-TECH MAN 04-25-2010 06:47 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by charlie westcott (Post 183974)
I dont really have an opinion on the sleds, I think they keep inviting more classes to fill the void of the people that dont participate in the classes they already have. I think if they had stock, super stock, comp, and one .90 class and one all out dial class like T/D or T/S that would be sufficient. All the bases would be covered. Did they have T/S at indy? thats usually good for some serious crashes based on previous years.
cw

http://hemimilitia.com/Index.html

I agree with you on this (especially having just ONE .90 class.....door cars) but we all know its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. They could save a ton of money and time by eliminating the Alcahol classes. No one watches them anyway. Keep the circus acts for the National events if they have to.

Larry Hill 04-25-2010 07:56 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Thanks Tim for the report. Good Luck!

Dick Butler 04-25-2010 08:38 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Sleds are a test. Just keep trolling for another "hit" class with its own sponsor to draw entrants and more importantly Entry Money. Look at T/S and T/D. They get Comp treatment or better knowing their time trial times and reserved pits(as I understand). It just keeps diluting the racing to more and more possible classes, with fewer and fewer competitors each.... eliminator. Closer and Closer to ALL RUN type event... if the numbers drop watch for BRACKET cars to fill the schedule(PITS) and maintain the entry money.

X-TECH MAN 04-25-2010 08:51 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Butler (Post 183994)
Sleds are a test. Just keep trolling for another "hit" class with its own sponsor to draw entrants and more importantly Entry Money. Look at T/S and T/D. They get Comp treatment or better knowing their time trial times and reserved pits(as I understand). It just keeps diluting the racing to more and more possible classes, with fewer and fewer competitors each.... eliminator. Closer and Closer to ALL RUN type event... if the numbers drop watch for BRACKET cars to fill the schedule(PITS) and maintain the entry money.

The class legal cars are getting squeezed out more and more. The T/S and T/ D guys are treated like rock stars just because they have a high dollar delay box equiped bracket car while the stock and S/S guys get it stuck up thier *****. The entrys ($$$$) is why you will never see any of the .90 classes or circus acts cut back. There is only so much room at a race track and only so much time in a day for qualifying shots, eliminations and record runs so why do these ASSociations keep screwing the long time supporters of legal class racing? You have to almost take off a week from work just to run a points race or "Open" these days. If the ASSociations want this crap why dont they put on thier own series and races just for the "monkey" cars and run the snowmobiles in the winter time after it snows?

luckydog 04-25-2010 09:03 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Called it. Rescheduled for the weekend after Norwalk

Steve McFarland 04-25-2010 10:30 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Post on Drag Race Central indicates fields are set & no addt'l entries permitted. For those racers who elected to follow the weather forecast (<10% chance of running event) we will not be welcomed to the NHRA D3 event at Indy in May. In this environment of very challenging economic conditions, everyone is doing their best to make discretionary spending count.

For a sanctioning body of this caliber it appears counterproductive to push racers away and perhaps, requests to accept all racers would be given due consideration.
Please join others in directing calls to Div 3, Glendora, & Mr. Lucas.

Rick Bailey 04-25-2010 10:43 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Steve, well said

Thank-you

Rick

X-TECH MAN 04-25-2010 11:26 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve McFarland (Post 184027)
Post on Drag Race Central indicates fields are set & no addt'l entries permitted. For those racers who elected to follow the weather forecast (<10% chance of running event) we will not be welcomed to the NHRA D3 event at Indy in May. In this environment of very challenging economic conditions, everyone is doing their best to make discretionary spending count.

For a sanctioning body of this caliber it appears counterproductive to push racers away and perhaps, requests to accept all racers would be given due consideration.
Please join others in directing calls to Div 3, Glendora, & Mr. Lucas.

This sounds like all the other bitching about IHRA and thier TOC race......LOL. How does it feel when the shoe is on the other associations foot.

jmcarter 04-25-2010 11:43 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
I lost track of how many races IHRA postponed last year because of forecasted poor weather, at least they were trying to do the right thing for the racers...the TOC deal was kinda unique given the time of year and all. In any case I elected not to drive 1600 miles round trip to run my stocker at Indy because of the forecast and by them closing the field they have essentially said they don't want my business...

Renay 04-25-2010 03:10 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve McFarland (Post 184027)
Post on Drag Race Central indicates fields are set & no addt'l entries permitted. For those racers who elected to follow the weather forecast (<10% chance of running event) we will not be welcomed to the NHRA D3 event at Indy in May. In this environment of very challenging economic conditions, everyone is doing their best to make discretionary spending count.

For a sanctioning body of this caliber it appears counterproductive to push racers away and perhaps, requests to accept all racers would be given due consideration.
Please join others in directing calls to Div 3, Glendora, & Mr. Lucas.

We also agree 100%. Super Stock never even got on the track, and NO ONE started eliminations. Why should the fields be closed?? Please make your opinion known to NHRA.

Renay Running

Greg Hill 04-25-2010 04:51 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Butler (Post 183994)
Sleds are a test. Just keep trolling for another "hit" class with its own sponsor to draw entrants and more importantly Entry Money. Look at T/S and T/D. They get Comp treatment or better knowing their time trial times and reserved pits(as I understand). It just keeps diluting the racing to more and more possible classes, with fewer and fewer competitors each.... eliminator. Closer and Closer to ALL RUN type event... if the numbers drop watch for BRACKET cars to fill the schedule(PITS) and maintain the entry money.

Those are belt sanders according to O'Malley.

Greg Hill 04-25-2010 05:03 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
There were about half the number of racers at Indy this weekend as would normally show up.
I don't understand why you would close the fields and lose the potential money they could generate in new entries. Makes no sense.

Lyn Smith 04-25-2010 05:54 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Watch for the entry fees to go up soon to make up the difference in lost revenue at Indy!!!!!!

Mike Fuller 04-25-2010 06:25 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
The answer is obvious to me. Jay Hullinger and NHRA Division 3 has all the money they want! Why else would you close the fields with such a poor turnout. OMG Super Stock didn't even go down the track. This makes no good sense.

Travis Miller 04-25-2010 07:27 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Before anyone starts organizing a lynch mob because of closed fields at the scheduled rerun, maybe everyone should read the original schedule for the Indy event posted on the Division 3 website dated 3/3/2010.

www.nhradiv3.com

Those who did read the schedule know that tech closed at noon on Saturday. That means that the fields were secured when tech closed on Saturday and the event was not postponed until Sunday morning at 9:30.

Travis

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

John Dinkel 04-25-2010 07:56 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Travis,

I can certainally understand the schedule but Mother Nature had different ideas.
Perhaps NHRA could make another $5,000 dollars or more and make many racers happy too. Remember it is the first race of the year for Division 3. It's a Win Win for everyone.

Just my opinion.

John Dinkel

chevy620 04-26-2010 07:44 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Travis,

I agree with what the flyer said but it didn't mention 80% chance of rain for the weekend. It would have been foolish to travel 17 hours round-trip with that forecast, agree?
If no races have been ran, everyone gets a qualifying shot or time run, then why not open the entries up to the guys who decided not to throw away $500 in diesel fuel?

Seems foolish to not create an opening for what could easily be over 100 cars to enter the LODRS event. Not my decision of course, but I wouldn't turn down a probable $20K in entries and pit passes. SOunds like the event could use more cars for sure.

Thanks for your response on this site, at least you stated the NHRA position, that is much better then ignoring it.

Jok

Charley Downing 04-26-2010 08:24 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Rules are rules. If you wanted to race then you should have been there.

Chuck Beach 04-26-2010 08:43 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Nobody raced, just qualifying, oh, except for Super stock ...

Rick Bailey 04-26-2010 09:02 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Hey guys.....the lite just went on...............IT HAS ALL TO DO WITH THE "12 O'CLOCK HOUR" Tech Closed........ Thats the goal, just force the rain issue, get passed the closing time and bingo! fields closed...

I now know this...............

Rick

CBS 04-26-2010 09:55 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
I have asked Jay to request a rule change for this situation...or even this one time.....

I will post the answer when I get it.....I'm sure Jay would like the fields open....I believe he just followed the written rules for a rainout situation....


Rock Haas

Chris "drooze" Wertman 04-26-2010 11:22 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CBS (Post 184270)
I have asked Jay to request a rule change for this situation...or even this one time.....

I will post the answer when I get it.....I'm sure Jay would like the fields open....I believe he just followed the written rules for a rainout situation....


Rock Haas

I talked to him this AM and we are able to race at the makeup, even the DQ, because of the rain situation just thought I would pass that along to any of the other DP/Mustangs that were initially listed as DQ, If you were on the grounds Sat and had teched you can run at the makeup event. I would of course verify that as we did, but thats what I was told.

So Norwalk then Indy.....cool....

Bill Koski 04-26-2010 11:23 AM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
Hard to believe that with "schedule subject to change" being instituted at every turn the "tech closes" time is absolutely written in stone!
As I posted elsewhere if Sunday had been sunny and a superstocker showed up I'd wager he would have miraculously been teched and made his qualifying pass!

Mike Walter 04-26-2010 01:55 PM

Re: Racing at Indy?
 
The rule with rain outs wasn't always this way. In 1990, I missed the divisional race in Union Grove because of work. They scheduled a Saturday (1 day) for the race to be completed later that summer. Luckily for me I was able to attend & also win the race at 1:30 in the morning.
As far as not attending the first attempt at Indy, I like many here chose not to chance it with the weather. I do not have an issue with not being able to attend the make-up either. Looking forward to Norwalk.....1 1/2 hrs away.


Quote:

Originally Posted by CBS (Post 184270)
I have asked Jay to request a rule change for this situation...or even this one time.....

I will post the answer when I get it.....I'm sure Jay would like the fields open....I believe he just followed the written rules for a rainout situation....


Rock Haas



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