Disclaimer?
 

It's raining and I'm bored. Is there such a thing as a disclaimer that is given to a customer upon delivery of a DP or CJ? I know that T-Bolts and 68 Hemi Darts and Cudas had something affixed to the car. If there IS such a thing would anyone care to share it? Jeff Teuton?

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They should state "These cars are NOT real stock Eliminator cars".....LOL. Sorry I just had to throw that in there.

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The only thing I have found is on the manufacturer tag it says Drag Program. I do know in the application process you must sign a form that states you agree never to title the car, never to put the car on the street and that the car is for racing purposes only.

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I believe a lot of this non titleing/non street driving. Has to do with the federal governments C.A.F.E. standards. and safety requirements

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BINGO Art....people seem to be dim on this bitching about "Ooooooooooohhh I cant go into the dealer and buy one" Bullshiite, we did EXACTLY that.

And YES when the application was filled out a discalimer and a waiver of liablity , never to drive it on the street or title it.

Its a LIABLITY issue and an safety issue SIMPLE, those things didnt EXIST when the Tbolts and Lightweights were sold.

People apparently choose to ignore this in order to facilitate their position these cars "Arent available to the general public"

Nonsense utter nonsene.........

If CAFE and Safety standards had been in place in the 60's those cars would have never happened.

They were PURPOSE built race cars , now the same thing is happening but in order to avoid the army or trial lawyers and people waiting to piss on someones parade, NOW somehow its different ?

Bike, "Works" bikes are sold and brought into this country all the time and same thing, Honda and Aprilla both have gone after people who title them for street use as "Grey Market" in some cases .... Why well in the case of Honda, some dip**** street titles a race bike, ran it out an got killed on it , the FAMILY sued Honda ! Saying the bike didnt have adequate brakes ! So Honda decided that was enough so to prove that they were NOT in agreement the bikes should be used on the street they started going after people who were doing it just to have a record of not being "condoning" the practice.

What about Doug Duells Drag Pak ? It has a title ? Its as "street legal" as any stock elim car ? Is that one ok X-Tech ?

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"this vehicle was never produced and therefore ford (mopar) has absolutely no responibilities whatsoever towards the recipient of this vehicle. furthermore we take no responsibility express or implied for : repeated protests by fellow competitors, anti social behavior from fellow racers, and or violent attacks, physical or verbal, of racers or internet lurkers. also purchaser is hereby advised that the 1/4 mile performance will be in excess of any previous a-aa/s vehicle and driver should be prepared for excess g-forces and doors being blown off competitors vehicles"

captain jack

thanks billy that was fun !

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NO.....That engine is not avaliable in a showroom stock car even though he built the car from a "real one". Can you say NHRA CRATE MOTERED CAR ! At least IHRA seperates the crate motored cars from the other stockers into thier own class.

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You forgot H/S and H/SA plus a few more classes so they dont have to run each other heads up and get "ENHANCED" when enough of them get finished !

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It was my understanding that Doug's car is in fact NOT a Drag Pack car, he couldn't get one, and had to build his own. That was the story that went around.

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If NHRA wanted to allow racers to get around the weight added by safety and emissions standards, they could have created an adjustment, either a set weight, or a percentage of the total weight, to be removed from the shipping weight.

And purpose built race cars were kept out of Stock, at least traditionally, for a reason. We're seeing the reason right now. It sure as Hell didn't have anything to do with federal safety or emissions mandates.

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True but it still dosent have the engine thats a legal (Emmisions certified) street engine for the year car as it came with off the show room.

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T.hat is true but most of the cars in ss/s are put together to represent the cars that fit a certain class. Example------your mothers 6 cyl. powerglide nova can be put together as a B/S 396/375 as long as the correct parts and trim are there.

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Exactly what difference does that make? How many race cars out there could pass emmissions when set up for the track (I did with my stocker BTW)
You guys are working every possible angle and IMHO sound silly.
NHRA has found these cars, the Shelby Fords, and the single 4 barrel Hemi cars Legal.
And thats that.
Stamping your feet isn't going to do any good Your choice has not changed either continue to race or don't. And if you're not racing. How about leaving it up to those that do.

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That is why they can't be titled and driven on the street. It has nothing to do with racing. It has to do with regulations and liabilities.

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The bold text is exactly the problem. It changes the basic principle of Stock Eliminator that goes back decades. It creates a loophole you can drive Mike Edwards' Pro Stock car through. The "new" rule about what is/can be "accepted" in Stock is written in B.S. "legalese" so that NHRA can come in and run over every current participant any time they want (read: any time they can get paid off to do it).

And it has everything to do with "racing". Considering it allows NHRA to decide who has paid them (NHRA) enough money to secure an insurmountable advantage over their competition. Basically what they've created is an extortion racket. They can say to any OEM "if you want to get a killer ringer approved for Stock, pay up."

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Hey Art, got Dyno results from a buddies 3.6 6cylinder Camaro....NOTHING absolutley NOTHING touched but the tune , 490hp......... NOTHING but a tune....told you when someone figure out the VVT and DI it would be evil...

Next when the NHRA classifies those theyll be saying DI cars shouldnt be allowed and VVT since you can lope your lift. Etc....Etc....

I told you thats the next "killer" combo, even when they rate it at 300 advertised. With some sticks in it, 550 is no problem.

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Alan, Ive asked this before (not of you) and everyone seemed to evade answering it.

Ok here are some "Facts"

Cars are not titled at the factory and you can depending on state even purchase one from a dealer WITHOUT having it titled.

So, next I can LEGALLY Title this vehicle in the State of Ohio.

So let me ask, If I do legally title this car and it is "street legal" and Emission Legal (Many counties in Ohio do NOT have emission requirments)

Then am I ok in your eyes ?

Hmm maybe there a business gambit for me, bring me your DP and I will get it titled and liscenced LEGALLY in the State of Ohio.

So say all 100 Dp owners do that ? Or at LEAST have the opportunity to do that, (we all know many racers whos cars arent or werent ever titled)

So say they have the ability or the opportunity to do that , and some do some dont just like the other Stockers.....

Then in your mind are the cars 100% fine or are your reasons not really all inclusive of the Title issues ?

I plan to do this, maybe before Norwalk I will....then I can post a copy of the title in the window for everyone to see....

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The "title" itself is not the issue, it is a subset of the issue, as is the lack of a valid VIN. The cars are not production cars, period. They do not meet federal standards for safety, emissions, or fuel economy. The fact that safety, emissions, and fuel mileage standards now exist or are more stringent than they were 20, 30, or 40 years ago is irrelevant. Even if a county or other municipality does not require emissions or safety testing, the federal agencies do require those standards to be met before the OEM can offer the cars for sale in the U.S. for use on the street, regardless of we they are sold.

The original basic principle behind Stock Eliminator was that it would consist of nothing but vehicles that were fully legal and certified for production and street use in the U.S. That was the whole purpose of the class. Until recently, the most basic rules for Stock Eliminator strictly and specifically prohibited export versions and other cars that were not federal certified for production and street use. Those rules were written for the specific purpose of preventing the problems these new cars are causing.

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You just dont get it. Even if you "Make up" a car from a 6 cylinder at least the car was avaliable from the dealer with a 396, FE 428, 426 Hemi (Chev, Ford, Mopar)or whatever you choose to build and race. Show me just ONE DP or Blower Mustang with the engine combo being used for stock with a show room engine combo being driven LEGALY on the street with registration and tags and insurance.

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Ummm, I'm not throwing stones here! I'm just curious as to whether the cars come with some affixed warning or if papers have to be signed as to intent or what.

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"IF" a frog had wings it wouldnt bump its *****.

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The DP's do, if I can find the paperwork from my "Mobile office" (a trashbag and box) Ill scan it and redact and post it for all to see.

It was part of the purchase agreement, the only other "warning" stuck on the car is the fact it only has 4 dabs of urethane holding the glass in :eek:

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You mean like this one ?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4007/...109a755a8e.jpg

Or the other way around ?