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Anybody hear anything new? We've got to keep after this subject!

Billy is right on with this. We need to keep after our divion guys to not let this happen to stock and super stock. Just like the muffler deal diapers will not fit our cars.

:DBilly does Don have his Diaper on ?? .............lol

After many "accidents" we deemed it necessary for Don to wear "diapers" all of the time. Personally, I only wear a "diaper" when I know I'm going to be ODing on Cuervo. None of my cars have had any "accidents" yet (he said while knocking on wood) so they don't need "diapers" yet and making my cars wear "diapers" when they don't need "diapers" would only condone them having "accidents".

I don't know if this is old news or not but I received the following email a few days ago:

Gentlemen
After several weeks of researching ORD's (oil retention devices) on Stock and Super Stock cars SRAC members have talked to a lot of racers and gathered a lot of information.
This past weekend at Houston Danny Gracia was looking under cars gathering helpful information and taking pictures of cars that will be all but impossible to install a ORD with the rules as we know them now.
Bob Lang was at Atco this weekend also leaving no stone unturned CRAWLING UNDER CARS gathering information on whether all S/SS cars will be able to comply to a broad across the board ORD rule. As an old SS racer I have to say I very much appreciate the efforts these guys have put into this issue making sure not to put a rule into place that will destroy the class or leave people out of racing.
Not to put words in anyone's mouth but I think both of them now know a lot more about how difficult and costly the task will be to have a rule on ORD's for all STK & SS cars.
Stock is probably the oldest sportsman class in NHRA followed closely by Super Stock. The basic rules for those two classes as far as maintaining somewhat stock frames and steering is still part of the identity of those classes. To make a ORD rule to make all of the car comply would be the end of those classes as we know them. I understand that is a strong statement and deserves explaining.
With the rules that have been in place for more than 40 + years the S/SS cars have been built and adapted to those rules and to put a rule into place that would have to alter the steering, exhaust headers and frame rails and even oil pans to allow for the installation of ORD's would certainly be the end to STOCK and SUPER STOCK cars as we know them. But that just about sum's up what will have to happen for all cars to be able to comply with a rule. The cost factor of having to rebuild existing cars to comply could certainly be thousand of dollars and in this economy would leave a lot of people out of racing and cars parked with car counts effected greatly.
As I said earlier some of the SRAC members have put a lot of research into this and we will be submitting our recommendation to NHRA very soon. To give you a brief preview of what we have talked about follows.
1. No new rule for S/SS ORD's
2 NHRA to ask for voluntary compliance to ORD's for cars that the application will fit without any costly equipment changes or violations of current rules .
3. NHRA contingency dept. vigorously pursue sponsor support from ORD companies for use of their product.
4. NHRA tech. dept. contact and work with new car builders with ideas on how future construction of S/SS cars could incorporate ORD's ( pans or diapers) without violating current rules.
5. NHRA tech. dept. research idea's of allowing better internal engine parts in some cars to reduce the chance of engine failures.
Please keep in mind there are other ideas and we as a group are not ready to submit our official recommendation.
This is just a preview Danny ask me to send.

Thanks for your consideration and concerns

Mike Crutchfield S/SS d2 SRAC Member

The NHRA shouldn't make it mandatory, but make it an incentive to use one. Something like reduce the entry fee by $50 for every racer that has one.

Then it leaves it up to the racers to make a choice on their own.

Jeff Teuton took one of the 68 Hemi cars at Houston, put it on his lift in his trailer and showed Danny that it was impossible to fit one in. Maybe Jeff will chime in.

Greg

I think the idea of allowing better internal parts is an excellent one..

As for requiring Diapers, I am not totally adversed to using one if it can be properly fitted, but as one who dropped a rod throught the oil pan due to using "factory recommended parts", I think getting better parts allowed, (rods, rod bolts, pistons, rockers), in quicker fashion would be a good first step.

David
The New Hemi Guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewHemi (Post 184493)

You Already have all that ! lol

Bob Aceves
#746 E/SA
A&M motorsports

Hey Bender...........why you dirty no-gooder. I know where you live and I'm coming to get you!............Wait a minute...............you wear an unconsealed gun on your hip for a living....uh.....well...........NEVER MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At Indy D3 tech this past weekend they asked whether we had diapers installed and who's.

They didn't ask us, although we had a lot of techs in, over and under the car so maybe it was self evident...

As for wishing for better parts, when you get rod bolts that stretch, pistons that aren't even all the same size and rockers and shafts that wear so fast you can see the wear after one or two runs, you can wish for better parts. Especially if the choice is better parts or a diaper to catch all of the stuff that comes loose when any of the above mentioned items fail, and we have already lost enough engines to know that having the right parts in place is better than using the spec'ed parts.

David
The New Hemi Guy

Mike Crutchfield and I had Danny come over when we had one of our SS/AH cars on the lift. I think he understands the problem better than some of the others at NHRA. Mike 'volunteered' to come up with the five proposals to send to NHRA as a group. I think everyone voted for No 1, with some of the other suggestions to follow. Pat Joffrion uses a bonus at No Problem if you win a bracket race and have a diaper. Easy fix. My final email today to the SRAC was No 1, and I don't ever see how the older cars can have a diaper and steering at the same time. It's just a really bad deal. Cost is a factor that NHRA is aware of. On the steering, we have been asking for Rack & Pinion for at least 15 years. Common sense says having the steering running through the middle of the headers, through the oil pan, around the oil lines, and trying not to have the pipes hit the pan or the frame is a problem. Some of the Fords got such wild headers, you can't see the pan. Hopefully the common sense will prevail.

Great news! I'm keeping my fingers crossed though.
Jeff, in my experiences with Don maybe it's time for you to consider a "diaper".