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Sounds like a fast D/SA not F/SA

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New car, no real tuning.......more like a upper mid pack C/SA........... :-)

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Look at the short time. If it had been in the 1.30's that would have been a 10.20 or 10.30.Pretty quick for F/SA. What da ya think RJ?

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That's faster than we went all weekend with a truly leagal 396/375 combination in
B/SA...By truly leagal I mean our heads on this car are untouched and we don't have a intake manifold with $4500 worth of work, our piston/rod combination is way heavy as well. I'm not compaining..just saying! And, you can license and insure it to drive on the highway unlike the CJ'S OR THE DP'S....I guess after Obama got elected everybody figured we can just do whatever we want, ie DP's Cj's I truly beleive these cars do not fall into stock eleiminator and somebody with cubic money and a passion for making things right should hold NHRA ACCOUNTABLE! Don't get me wrong, I love these cars! They are just the farthest thing from stockers.

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Is this not the same combination that Jeff runs in H/SA and SS/KA? He has gone 11.0's on the brakes? Someone claimed that he has gone 10's at a test and tune at H weight. WAY WAY under HP......Just a observation..

Robert

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this is the 5.7 hemi, Jeff's is the 360 wedge

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No Jeff runs a 360 LA based motor, this is a 5.7 Hemi.

Honestly I dont have anything to do with the factors or where the car is competitive, it dosent matter, if it was a .90 index car from Day 1 we still would have bought it and built it.

Truth is I KNOW the car is capable into the 9's If you doubt that know that I was running legal, and I did the tune creepback off our 6.1 tune that was in the motor that went into pieces, its wet and Im out probably 4 or 5 degrees of timing to be safe.

A while back I got lambasted for saying I think with a max overbore and a years work and R&D the 6.1 can be in the 8's everyone said I was an iditot.

Doug Duell has this year run a 9.62 at standard bore, still early in his development of the package, Irv Johns is just as fast if he wants to be.

But the thing is the 5.7 has a higher CR :) And the block can accept a max overbore of .075 (taking it to 5.9) without sleeves (the 6.1 cannot)

Put it this way Drooze did it, if drooze did it there has to be a ****load more left in it, on that Im serious we are totally new at the FI and the chassis setup, the 60ft sucks, damm near the same as our stock SRT8 So when we get those things figured out :) Well we hope to be able to go into the 9's with the car.

My personal opinion is the car is completley capable of being a competitive A car with this setup. My opinion, Ill probably be told Im an idiot again or like Mike Roth said "You have no idea of what it actually takes" or lather rinse repeat ad naseum.

Its also 100% Possible I am 100% wrong, and it was a fluke, or a light malfunction or something of the sort. In that case, back to the drawing board until it isnt a fluke.

You will never hear a bit of disagreement from me about the factors, never. BUT You also cannot be mad at me for playing the cards I was dealt, the car was ordered before it was factored, and all I wanted to do this year was finish my 49 Plymouth High and Might Clone, and finish my 72 Chally and build an 8 second mild steel Front Engine Dragster for bracket fun. Were not someone who is taking advantage of a situation.

We placed our bet (ordered the car) the cards were shuffled (we waited 14 months for the car) and we were dealt our hand (car factored and delivered) we had a weak ace (our early mishaps) and caught a full house on the flop. (now) How we play our hand from here out is what will matter, and that is not entirley in my control, it is when I drive but thats only 50% of the time.

We may slow the car down for Indy actually but for other reasons, good reasons, figuring things out and making it consistent. like I said I dono maybe it was a fluke, if it was so be it, hell maybe the car is capable of 9's now....only time will tell, and while we dont have a lot of time we try like hell to use it as best we can.

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Drooze, I think you are 100% right. This is a nine second car with the right development. I have said before this is the most bogus combination of all the new cars. If you get satisfaction from running a car that is in the wrong class [should be an A or B car ], and that is probably 100 horsepower under factored go for it. I don't believe you will make a lot of friends doing this. Just because you can do this doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

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The 127.67 is what we ran in A/SA with the 69 427/425
Back 6 years ago 10.25@127

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When he came out with the car and was falling on his face all of you hypocrites had a grat time goofing on him.Now that he finally got it right and is flying,right factor or wrong,
he's the new coming of the antichrist.Congrats Chris,become the Dp version of
Fezell with the CJ.I can't wait for GM to release HP numbers.I hope they make the Ford/Mopar numbers pale in comparison.
Agendas,agendas.

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Fast cars do not make winners in Stock Elim, I know that, I like fast.....BUT I also like consistent.

Were driving the car now, our other driver had commitments.

As far as making friends, I have made a ton, and I hope to make more, if I kill someone in a heads up from a speed standpoint (and dont go red) I can see someone getting upset, but have you seen me drive ? I dont think its a fear many others who have seen me drive will have :)

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Is it even legal to run a actual 2009 challenger? I mean if I went to the lot and bought one and wanted to run the engine that came in the car with the injection system that came on the car is it in the book? Or are only the bogus combos legal?

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Unfortunatey NOT, I dont know why, It bugs me , we have a 2008 SRT8 That we would like to run as well......already have the damm car.....cant run it.

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When the specs came out for the engines, It was plain to see that the 5.7 was the killer combo! Same heads, intake, throttle body as the 6.1 and more compression! Good for you Drooze on picking this engine. There will probably more 5.7 cars out soon but you will always be the first to go fast with one! As for all the complaining I remember when the newer camaro & firebird came out it was the end of the world for everyone that did not have one, but eventually they got factored correctly! So just go race your car and have fun that's what it's all about anyway, right?

Shawn 6383

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I want to see a ET on the sheet, not a 20 lbs light 10.59 ET

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The huge difference between this and the F bodys. With the F body you took a real car available at any dealership and converted it into a race car. These are 100% bogus. Show me one Challenger built for the public legal to drive on the roads that has any of these engines and injection systems.

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YOU and ME Both Joe !

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I don't like it,you don't like it,a slew of people don'tlike it.NHRA likes it and the mustangs.Bottom line.If and until GM throws some ringers into the mix you all have you're new whipping boys,Drooze and Jeff.
Where are all the emails to Glendora,complaints to division directors,boycotts?Just a bunch of pi$$ing and moaning on the internet about it.

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I think its funny they hate Drooze. Dont hate the player, hate the game.

NHRA made the rules now you hate the players. I heard he was 200 light not 20.

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Back in the day....as the saying goes.....One of these cars would have a new class or classes made for them.... something like the FX classes

No friggen way this is a legal Stocker or Super Stocker for that matter.......They would not even be legal back in the days of liberal interpetation of the rules in the Jr Stock era......

No offense to you Chris.....as you say you did not create this car but your one run says a lot,reading between the lines on the slip and in who did it.....

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"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful..." Remember that ad for shampoo? ;)

I'm all for the guy that takes it out WOT all the way and no de-tunning. Eventually the 5.7 will be a B/SA combo. I guess that will leave the 6.1 in the A/SA & AA/SA class. Might as well be quick about it and not drag it out over the next 5 years.
Droze, looking at the suspension on those cars, I would guess you don't need to tune it down for consistency. I can't imagine it will ever spin on a prepped track. I've never de-tunned my class cars.
You should be proud of your accomplishments! :cool:

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Thanks Jeff, I dont know, like I said, we have had tire slip issues but those were on Goodyears with poor burnouts. None this time.

I really need to set the suspension up better, I think Im way to low in the nose and some other things, but well try that at T&T in Indy....

Ive never gotten the wheels off the ground, and my best 60 was 1.42ish

Im thinking the 2 step will help a bit with that too as I tend to creep off the converter and then launch at that point, I know bad, but Im still trying to get used to it. Wish it had a transbrake :)

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Chris, no no no, not a transbrake. A clutch peddle!

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Hehe, I have been thinking about it......seriously thinking about it for our next trans change.

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I don't think there will be a new car with the conventional 'drive by wire' throttle system. That was one of the problems in developing the new cars for racing. Just ask Toyota. NHRA wants a return spring of some kind. At least that was a problem with the Mopars. I think the throttle body on the stock 6.1 is as big or bigger than the DP. And since we want to rehash some of this stuff, where was the concern for my old Six Pack car when the 396's and the Fords ran 5 tenths ahead of me. Where was the sympathy? Some of yall are a little one sided. I got a better combination now and I'm a bad guy now. Didn't realize I had changed with the new car. Just goes to show ya.

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Jeff, we havent met, from what I have heard from EVERY SINGLE Person at the track who knows you is a resounding echo of what a stand up guy and all around class act you are. I hear laughs from racers who read stuff here where people either dig on you or your combo, what they say typically goes like this "I know Jeff you wont meet a nicer guy or better racer, now that he has one of these cars these morons who dont know him somehow see him as a bad guy, its the stupidest thing in the world, especially Jeff Teuton, hes one great guy"

Ive heard the same thing from several racers.

I dont think one single person sees you as a bad guy.

What I was told and I find it to be true, in more case mine than yours, WE Give them a TARGET , a Vocal point who will respond to their dismay , anger and frustration , much of it understandable.

But, not many CJ Guys post here, or will tangle on one of the threads...

You do very seldom. I do often. But not many other will, so WE , WE Give the people out there a TARGET, nothing more.

Now me, well, I give them a target if I had an 84 Yugo that was disassembled but in the guides.....because of my opinions and my mouth, but I have never seen anything of the like from you.

I think, and I maybe wrong, the only reason you were included in the "Whipping Boys" is youre the only other one than myself running something other than the A/AA 6.1 Combo and we affect more people across the classes, AND You will read and respond here.....

Just my 2 cents, I cant wait to meet you in person.

I had the fortune of getting a helping hand call from Larry Griffith today and he seem like one hell of a super nice guy too.

You are about 1000% right about the Drive By Wire, most ECU Manufactuers wont support it for liability reasons alone.....

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The CJ's and DP's are a lot less bogus than some of the "Paper Cars" racing in Stock today. At least we know for sure that you can buy one.

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2010 DP, 6.1, 39K, one for sure, maybe two. FOB Detroit

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Jeff.....you needed to port the heads and intake more like most of them to keep up......lol.

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Guy’s I do not think anyone hates either of you. You are just playing by NHRA’s rules it is there rules that are the problem. They just change them to suit themselves.
I know nothing about the new Challenger or Mustang as far as how the throttle works. Are you telling me there is no way they could convert it to a manual throttle?

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Ford Racing has manual throttle bodies in the pipeline for the CJ's. I can't say for sure when they will be available. I will be glad to check if anyone is interested.
Roland

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Jeff, Drooze and any of the new Ford guys....... Don't ever think that I think of you as a "bad guy" or taking advantage in any way. As has been said before, you didn't make the rules you are just playing by them.

Now as for the santioning bodies rating combos like this. That was a bad move. It shows a total lack of respect for long time participants that have beat their combos to death in order to be in the top half in class run offs. These certainly aren't the only underfactored combos that come to mind. I just feel that "class fast" should be the result of a well researched combo, lots of R&D, 5 to 15 converters, 3 to 5 rear gear and tire diameter experiments, hundreds of t&t passes,etc.... not the numbers submitted and approved on a piece of paper. Thats what makes this challenging in my eyes. 25% car and 25% driver and 25% engine tuner and 25%chassis tuner.


De-valuing property of customers is not a good way to sustain customer loyalty.

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I dont disagree with anything you said, none of it, in our case there is a "race" to win, but its really a sideline for you and other class racers, WE NHR are up against other teams with the new cars...simple....

As far as 25/25/25/25 In our case thats all us, the only thing mechanically we didnt do 100% ourselves is the Tranny. The rest, rear setup, engine, suspension items, all us, tune us.

Im happy with the time "Out of the box" but if I cant get it into the 9's in short order Ill be dissapointed. Thats a personal goal. Something I have set for myself.

I do believe its easier to make a fast car consistent running it slow, so to those ends I want it as fast as possible. Ill dial back from there. Also I subscribe to the philosophy you can make it fast, or reliable you cannot do both equally as well. So dialing a fast car back buys me some of that reliablity back. These are lessons earned over a lifetime of wrenching 30 years solo, when I was 8 or 9 the old man threw a new Chiltons bike manual on the counter and said go at it....BEST Present he ever bought me.

Customer base ? Well I agree with that statment, but it seems to me , and I may be wrong, its making a subsidiser happy. KNOWING The customers are participating in a monopoly of sorts. BUT It has the potential to also bring in much needed new blood, not us DP or CJ people but others who the older Stockers have no appeal to.

I guess I agree from a personal perspective.

From a business perspective, well I can see the NHRA's thing too.

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So Drooze, I'm waiting with my slippers and popcorn! When does the TV series start? I can see it now "Everyone Digs Drooze" brought to you by the New, New Chrysler Corp..

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Jeff,
It's not you, drooze or anyone else.
It's the HP rating, You know I'll have a Beer & BBQ with you anytime. lol
Ken

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Tv series starts when I get my new live streaming internet camera on sprint towers, Of course it will be on my own site ;) So, sometime in June I will be running and ready to do more events with much better content. Stock eliminator deserves a tv show and or it's own channel of streaming video and audio, I intend to make it happen, Cheers!

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Well stated.

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Lol....I dono if thats gonna happen, I dont know that I have time, I have the contacts and floated the idea, they like it , but getting schedules together for pilot footage to pitch is tough......

So in the interm , when we can, we are going to webcast from the shop 24/7 ..... :eek:

Something I can do with no more effort than a half an hour and if people can see what were doing and saying and can suggest something were doing wrong or learn something, well....its something Ive been kicking around.

Whadda ya think ? :) Besides if you think me making a debut in Stock Eliminator cause some ripples wait till August....Thatll be a friggin Tsunami

Stay Tuned.:D

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I patiently await either a DP stocker, or a CJ stocker, or super stocker to win a eliminator title at a 2010 National event, or even Divisonal event.....maybe I've missed something here, but haven't the older combos/seasoned drivers dominated grabbing the Wallys so far this season? I know the newest car combos are putting down some smokin' et's and speeds, but the time tested combos are the ones still bringing home the bacon....time will tell, and when a new car wins it all, (and it should happen sometime real soon) the fur should really start to fly around here...Remember, some of those older /fastest combos are still way under-rated as well.....so maybe it's time to re-factor everything. Just another .02 cents worth.....:D WJ

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Throughout NHRA history guys have combed the classification guide and come up with killer combo's and I never heard this much fuss.

If Drooze had found some strange FWD combo that bombed the index you would head compliments from everyone on his choice and hard work.

Personally I think the DP's and Mustang's belong in SS but they aren't. Mandie (who I think is the brains of the team) and Drooze have made a good choice and obviously put in a lot of work and they deserve what they accomplished.

JimR