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I was just BSing with a friend of mine who was at Atco last week and observed the AA/S Blown Mustang run a 9.41 at 147+ MPH. The 60 FT. was 1.24. Hummmm, it looks like they have found a way to get them to run on the bottom end. NHRA told the owner/driver he couldnt set the record. Sounds fishy to me. Maybe the AHFS would have put the Mustangs out of stock and made them S/S only. Ford wouldnt have liked that. Any comments?

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Around our "Mopar Only" shop, there sure has been alot of talk from our customers about the Mustang's lately. 1.24 60' will only add fuel to the fire.

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These purpose built race cars have ruined the class. Nice job NHRA, Ford, and Mopar...

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Haven't ruined the class yet, but Chevy will follow.

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Considering he left almost a half second on the table, I can see why he's been told to "stand down"

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Put me behind the wheel Ill see what shell do. :D

SS Only ? I thought they would just keep adding weight to the combo ? No ?

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I was there and watched the run. Very strong and the HP is clearly evident down track....... Engine is very quiet and docile sounding coming down the return road. No where near as efficient at getting down the track as most wrung out manual trans Stockers.

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After the combo reaches the maximum alowable ballisted wt added over the factory shipping wt. which in NHRA's case is 7.5 lb per HP (AA/S) the combo becomes a S/S only car classed car until the same thing happens at 6.0 lbs per HP (SS/A) in S/S. By then NASA would be looking at it for a booster in then defunct shuttle program. It wouldnt be legal to run the Mustangs at say....around 5000 plus lbs not including the driver wearing an SFI space suit. lol.

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That racer was Don Fizell - his 9.41 run put him #1 in qualifying at 1.18 and change under which would have no AHFS effect .As for the National Record anyone know who from NHRA supposedly told him he couldn't set it ......and why would they ?

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I knew it was Don Fizell but didnt want to mention names to protect the innocent....lol. . The story I heard was second hand and we all know how stories get distorted. He was told "no go" on the record because they (NHRA) couldnt certify the engine. Dont know if it was because they didnt have the right tools, enough time, or what. The racer I was talking to said he thoiught they didnt have the engine specs? That dosent sound right in any case to me and I told him so. The engine specs have to be in the spec book for the combo to be in the class guide. Im sure someone could fill in the blanks here but will they or do they want to. It just sounds like a lot of BS to me and we all know Don runs legal. He can afford to run any combo he wants and have the best prepare his engine. Anyone who owns "The Old Reliable" 63 Z-11 and acually runs the car on the track cant be a bad person.....lol. Now we know why NHRA dropped the indexes 3 tenths. Thats a killer run and only 1.18 under the new indexes......lol. Has ANY AA/S combo been anywhere near 9.40's ? How fast can the Mustangs really go when beat on?

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They had the specs when they tore us down.....

Rock Haas
323 SS/DA
08 CJ

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I know they have the specs. Thats why I passed this story on to see if anyony could shed some light on the truth. The story came from a very reliable and honest racer as he knows it.

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Call Lang and ask him!!!!!!! a simple phone call would do

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Come on.....do you REALLY think he would tell ME the truth??????

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[QUOTE=X-? How fast can the Mustangs really go when beat on?[/QUOTE]

I heard of a West coast CJ going 8.90s without too much trouble.

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Yes , I believe he would tell the truth ........you can't even start to try and cover something like this up ........and I've never known Director Lang to be a liar ! !

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That Mustang was probably one set up for S/S????? Roy Hill has been going some 8.70's with his ride.

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For what's it's worth I was at Atco when he made that run.When we came out for the 2nd time shot Fezell wasn't in the record lanes.No circled R or circled B on the windows.I was told he made an aborted run on that 2nd run.That is kind of strange.I also heard that he was told not to back the 9.41 up but it doesn't affect me so I could really care less.What does though is that that car is on the ragged edge going down the track,whether it's driver inexperience or chassis setup I don't know.Now I'm going about 95 mph at the finish line and he's going 147 mph,
now that is a bit of a concern to me.

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I never said he was one.....He was always good to me years ago when I was with IHRA but I havent had any contact with him in over 10 years. Things change and I usually get blamed for stiring up "poop".....lol. Just trying to hear the story as it happened from someone. I wouldnt want to put Bob in an odd position. He is one of the best Directors NHRA has and a true friend of stock and S/S racers. .

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[QUOTE=Ed Fernandez;188269]For what's it's worth I was at Atco when he made that run.When we came out for the 2nd time shot Fezell wasn't in the record lanes.No circled R or circled B on the windows.I was told he made an aborted run on that 2nd run.That is kind of strange.I also heard that he was told not to back the 9.41 up but it doesn't affect me so I could really care less.What does though is that that car is on the ragged edge going down the track,whether it's driver inexperience or chassis setup I don't know.Now I'm going about 95 mph at the finish line and he's going 147 mph,
now that is a bit of a concern to me.[/QUO

Ed, welcome to my world ....... in Stock/SS combo events at least.

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5/16/2010 @ Atco
Exedy Clutch Mod Muscle E1
Left Lane Right Lane
Bob Hallstrom Name Don Fezell
7554 Car Number 7587
MM Class MM
10 Q/P 24
9.12 Dial In 9.37
** R/T **
** 60' **
** 330' **
** 1/8 **
** MPH **
** 1000' **
9.110 1/4 9.448
150.78 MPH 147.01

**

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Heres a question for the really fast guys. How much more can these stocker tires handle with the stock type suspensions?

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X-Techman, did you once live in Charles County MD and work at Indian Head?

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Stock Suspension ! yea right. Here is a question, they can find a way to hook, I want to know how they will keep from flipping over when they hit the brakes hard at 150mph to keep from running out and a tire blows ? What kind of diaper will they need then ?

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[QUOTE=Dave Turner;188277] Dave,we have,in my opinion the top S/SS Assoc. in the country.I don't run those races mainly because of the speed differences between myself and a lot of the SS cars.
Last year at the Mopar race at Englishtown I had to run Jimmy Vignona in the SS/?S
car in the final.He came past me doing 155 mph.Interesting.

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[QUOTE=Ed Fernandez;188312] HOLD ON REAL TIGHT...............:eek:

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You are right Mr Bender.

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[QUOTE=Bob Bender;188313] Bobby,the space shuttle wouldn't budge that land barge of yours when it went by:>)

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[QUOTE=Ed Fernandez;188317]Be nice my friend:p Back in the day with my Z/S car we ran the ss/s combo and I had 10.50 cars going by at 135.

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I love running high HP cars that go real fast. Usually I am through all the gears and get to focus on the rear view mirror. You get to see some of the best undercarriage shots anyone will ever see. You will get to see if he/she goes red. If it happens then yippie iiaa kiai, if there is no red, well now we're going to have some fun. No use in trying to judge the finish line, let it run out the back door.

Is there a safety issue, I really do not know, but it sure is fun.

Once I had to spot a moped several seconds, now that was really interesting. He would park at the finish line and wait for you to get there and just roll his front wheel into the finish line beam. That must have really been weird for him to be just sitting there as a car is approaching at the exact amount of MPH differential between zero.

Remember, speed is what it is in it's own enviorment.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA like I know about speed...................................yes

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I agree with Ron running high HP cars is a lot of fun.

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This was a NMRA race. NHRA had nothing to do with it. You can not set NHRA records at a NMRA race. Bob

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I couldnt agree more.....bikes too....

Im thinking Stock Eliminator is a bit slow for me at times :eek: But then again the Challengers got a bit to go before its in the 8's

Well see in August I think 250+ Will be fun.........Then again Ill probably wear a depends just in case it scares the , stuffing outta me.

(On one of my cars I taped a Diaper and a "Camping" ash tray, my dad said I understand the diaper. But I dont understand the ash tray, I said well if I die in the car in a blaze of fire, you can just shake the car a bit and remove the ash tray, no cremation needed)

(To any who question my sanity or what Im saying my tounge is firmly impanted in my cheek at the moment, well except for august and 250+)

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Look around at some of the outlaw heads up classes. There are cars on 26 x 8.5" slicks running mid to low 5 sec 1/8 mile times. The mustang stock suspension is a great working piece also. Lots of cars running fast with stock suspension.

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Good point.

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[QUOTE=Ed Fernandez;188312]I guess you have never bracket raced a dragster with a door car. Test and tune generally pairs up door cars and dragsters. What's the big deal? Ask your insurance man, drag racing is termed "a high risk sport". I think you stand a better chance of being hit by a meteor than having a CJ take out your land barge. Maybe it's just me...........

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[QUOTE=FECARMAN;188461] It probably is just you.I bracket raced steady from 1978 to 1993 and there were quite a few incedents when the classes were changed to Super going to low 7s against high 12 sec cars.Also Pro from low 9s to 13.99 I think.
BTW if you've seen the CJ in question in person I'm sure your opinion would be a bit different.

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[QUOTE=Ed Fernandez;188464]I have seen the CJ's numerous times at the high end. I'm still betting on the meteor. We all have an opinion. By the way safety has changed a lot since 1978, especially tires, brakes,suspension and roll cages. I don't believe there is anything to compare between 1978 and 2010 that would be remotely close. Who would have gone 6.0's on narrow tires in 1978 or 1993. MY roll cage will not protect you but my tires, brakes and suspension surely will when you are in the slower car.

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At 140mph things happen really fast and those lanes swap postions damned quickly. Just think how fast you can travel that 40' between the two cars if your running 30 mph faster than to other lane.

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Yepper....then I got smart and moved out of that Dem. state that taxed me to death.