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The 2009 Dodge with the 345 engine in Stock w/automatic just got 10 horsepower today. Car now falls in D/SA at 9.84 using 315 as the refactored horsepower.

http://www.nhra.net/tech_specs/class...es/2009DOD.xls

Travis

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Ball Park Numbers,

9.5 x 315 = 2,993 , 2,993 + 170 = 3,163 pounds

Assuming they can get down to that weight:

555 Horsepower = 10.17 @ 131 MPH - Not a bad D car.

Take it to Atco in the Spring and the car could run 10.00's.

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Its not enough !

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I have to assume of course that this applies to the DP combination. What classes would the showroom stock, driven off of the dealer's lot, non-DP cars be in? Just wondering.

Ken Kopecky
1454 E/SA

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Experienced class racers that are proven winners are starting to surface w/these 5.7 DP cars....Easily still should be very tough in DS/A....maybe belong even up in "B" w/5.7 LS-1 GM F-bodys, a pretty good "new-car" matchup, although the LS-1's are already 8-10 yrs. old........02 cents only. WJ

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"Showroom stock, driven off of the dealer's lot, non-DP" 2009 Challengers are not legal for Stock or S/S until Chrysler sends the specs to NHRA.

This is not the first time a manufacturer has failed to send specs on the cars they build. FYI, a 1978 Gremlin cannot race in Stock or S/S either. No specs were sent from AMC to NHRA that year.

Travis

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Thanks Travis. That's what I figured. With all the stuff about the DP combination, nothing was ever done about the showroom type cars. It doesn't surprise me though. It would be interesting to see what classes they would fall into.

Ken

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Ken, the showroom cars weigh a ton, but have higher factory hp ratings than the DP's. I'll weigh a stock Challenger R/T this week to actually find out. Stock 6.1 SRT8 Challenger=425 vs the 6.1 DP@390? I think the 6.1 DP has found a happy home in A/S, but the 5.7 DP combo is going to get hit hard, real hard.

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How pro-active is NHRA in procuring these manufacturer's HP ratings? Does NHRA just sit back and wait for the information to come pouring in from manufacturers who unilaterally, and without being asked (by NHRA) take it upon themselves to do this???
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Or, does NHRA contact the manufacturers and inform them that certain new cars will perform exceedingly well on the strip, but will remain ineligible to run Stock OR Super Stock, if they (the mfgr's.) fail to send in the requisite specs for classification purposes (and, information to be used for NHRA horsepower factoring, of course.)

It would seem to me to be incumbent on NHRA's tech department to leave no stone un-turned, until they HAD what they needed in the way of tech information for all these new motors, but do they go after it, aggressively?

I wonder....

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Travis,
so pardon my ignorance, but are you saying that it's now a natural D car, as in it's already been factored out of F?

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looks like it.

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Yup
Thax for taking out of F

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They took themselves out by running so fast, but the 360 engine will be in F soon ..

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Just so I understand this correctly, the street legal car that anyone could purchase from the dealer is not legal for me to race in Stock Eliminator, but the limited production, not street legal, kit car is OK for Stock Eliminator?

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Correct

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Who would want to run this car at it's original weight (rumored at 3800 lbs +).
No one is in a hurry to get it in the class guide at that weight.

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It kind of makes you wonder what NHRA was thinking ($$$$$$$$) about dosent it !

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Tom,

I didn't hire the folks that designed and approved these new cars for production. But it is called "Stock Eliminator" right? As in factory production?

We had a 3800 6 powered '87 GM product which got 30mpg on the highway and could cover about 1,320' in less than 14 sec. We also had a '04 3800 6 powered GM product which got 29mpg and covered the same 1,320' in about 17 sec, without a map light! Both at about 3,700#. Rumor is they went bankrupt for some reason. I know why.

If that is what it a Challenger weighs, (thinking that might be a tad light, more like 4,000 with driver the way the ground shakes when the go by) I'd gladly have raced the car at that weight.

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My 2009 R/T 6 speed no option car. Shipping weight with 5 gallons of gas....3961 lbs.

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I am sure glad Travis told us about the 1978 Gremlins. I will take them off my wish list.

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heh heh..................

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hey x-techman---Didn't AMC make a bunch of those gremlins equiped with 401's ,crossrams and two holleys? I know i have seen at least twenty five or so equiped that way.

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They were made by Karol Celby. LOL

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The SRT8 is quite heavy coming in at 4140lbs. The R/T and others are a lighter by a 100 pounds or so. Remember that is a Mercedes E Class chassis lurking under the skin.

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Today is a GREAT day!!!

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Yes Dusty, a big chunk of weight has been just taken off your shoulders....Although....still think you've got some low 10.60s hidden in that thing......best wishes. :D WJ

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Seems to me I remember some (about 50) PACERS being sold with blowers, X Rams, and fiberglass lift off hoods. They came without, trans guts, rear ends, and vin #'s so were not street legal and you had to finish the car yourself. They were called "PACER PACKS".
P P's for short.....or was that short P P's?

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Don't you know that David Rampy is happy!

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Do the manual and automatic transmission cars get factored at the same time? Or does the NHRA factor only the autos if an auto car trips the AHFS?
Larry

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Already done..............Heavy !

http://69.211.205.28/temp/2010-RTc1.jpg

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And no "stagger" either!:D

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Thanks. I just entered that weight in my notes.

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Hey Dan, Isn't that just great news......... not

Pick up that new engine yet?

Maybe they can have another race like this weekend and mosey on up to 'B' here real soon........

Unk

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Here is a shot of the NHRA Weight/HP sticker from Jeg's car.
Looks like the Mopar "Low Carb" diet resulted in a 1000 lb weight loss.
First we had Michelob Ultra, now we have Mopar Ultra.
Lite that is...

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I would think that Mother Mopar is in no hurry to have the new production cars in the NHRA classification guide.....Looks to me like a smart way to market the DP's and sell the production look a likes to the on the street crowd. They are also making sure the DP's get in the hands of capable racers. One dealer told me all the hoops he had to jump through to get # 6 2011... or was it 2010.. Can't remember... From what I've been told (if it's correct info) there are only a hand full of qualified dealers you can get DP parts from.
These guys are doing some smart marketing and the racers are buying into it as well as the public. Cool looking cars!

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A bit off-topic, but interesting!

The Hurst/Shelby/Motion, etc. of Gremlins?

http://www.gremlinx.com/RandallXR.htm

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While I'd have to agree with you, in principle, that Chrysler is doing a great job selling the DP program, I have to wonder whether that success benefits anyone but Chrysler and the chosen few who are allowed to own the DP cars. Joe and Jane Public, who might like to race a "look a like" Challenger, can't because the only vehicle in the Classification Guide is a program car unavailable to the "general public". Their car looks cool sitting in the parking lot, but can't be raced in Stock Class because no one thought to certify it! Oversight? Maybe so - I've never agreed with the certification process anyway. If the manufacturer built more than 500 of them and sold them to the general public, I should be able to race it in Stock eliminator. Why doesn't that happen? It sure would open up a lot of different combination's.

Just my opinion!

Lew

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Yep they can.....get to that weight, with about 8 hrs work I can get back down to that. Almost to the lb actually weve got it to 2990 wet, minus driver.

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I AM :) The street SRT8 can make 11 easy with cam and headers at its full weight. AND there is over 600+ lbs of sound deadner and carpet, and safety equip in it. Heater etc....

When its in the guides , well the "Orange Peel" is already running in the 12's bone stock, with only a tune. Not 1 crack to the motor.

Scrap the IRS, and some others.....what would a 4100lb car be competitve at 11's ? High 10's ?

Hey Jerry you wanna build me a motor for that :D:eek::D

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Drooze,

If the SRT8 is rated anywhere near the factory number, it will not be competitive. It would probably fit B-C (just guessing) If you divide Shipping weight/ Hp Rating that gives you the class it would fall in. So if you take the factory shipping weight divided by the factory rated HP, that would tell you which class it would fall in. Unless, Dodge would "fudge" the numbers a lot!