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mannymen 06-22-2010 10:09 AM

Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
Does anyone lease or borrow motors to qualify with? Just curious.

buzzinhalfdozen 06-22-2010 11:29 AM

Re: Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
I've seen engines be borrowed, because of a failure but never just to qualify with, that's for the P/S guys. Joe

Travis Miller 06-22-2010 02:09 PM

Re: Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
There is potential money to be made in leasing motors for Stock/SS. Especially now that local combo racing (no heads up runs) is growing in popularity across the country.

As an example, an engine builder could stock pile a type of engine that fits several classes. A racer could lease the engine for a certain amount of time. These would not be killer pieces but would be able to run under the index. Even at a National event as long as the racer does not have a heads up run, he can have a consistent running engine that he can afford to race. At the end of the contracted time he turns in the engine, signs a new contract and gets a fresh one to continue on with.

Travis

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

W J 06-22-2010 02:18 PM

Re: Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
Leasing motors already very common and popular among the oval track racers, from open wheel Modifieds all the way up to Sprint Cup. WJ

mannymen 06-22-2010 03:11 PM

Re: Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
If anyone has an Engine/Trans/Conv BBC combo that fits SS BA/CA/DA/EA 69 camaro that will make the Indy field, then please send me a PM


Thanks

X-TECH MAN 06-22-2010 04:10 PM

Re: Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Miller (Post 193823)
There is potential money to be made in leasing motors for Stock/SS. Especially now that local combo racing (no heads up runs) is growing in popularity across the country.

As an example, an engine builder could stock pile a type of engine that fits several classes. A racer could lease the engine for a certain amount of time. These would not be killer pieces but would be able to run under the index. Even at a National event as long as the racer does not have a heads up run, he can have a consistent running engine that he can afford to race. At the end of the contracted time he turns in the engine, signs a new contract and gets a fresh one to continue on with.

Travis

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

What about teardowns? Who is responsable for the disassembly and assembly of a leased engine? The Pro Stock guys are not allowed to open up a leased engine. If found ILEGAL who is resonsable for the infraction? The owner/driver of the car or the engine builder? I always thought the owner/driver was responsable for being DQed no matter who built the engine. Many questions need to be addresed if this is to be allowed.

dragracer9911 06-22-2010 05:07 PM

Re: Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
Terry, I would think that as far as NHRA or IHRA would be concerned, it's the driver/owner's responsibility. He may have a complaint with the engine guy, but it would be no different than you building a motor for a customer and he fails tech, he can't complain to NHRA, he complains to you, his engine man.

James Perrone 06-22-2010 05:48 PM

Re: Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
A what price?
Pro stock teams pay $50.000 to $70.000 a race..
Good SS motor cost over $20.000
Cant see it being affordable..
How about a H/SA rental?

Mark Callanan 06-22-2010 06:04 PM

Re: Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 193871)
A what price?
Pro stock teams pay $50.000 to $70.000 a race..
Good SS motor cost over $20.000
Cant see it being affordable..
How about a H/SA rental?


James

You don't need a rent a motor you have one of the best motor builders in the country already......

Greg Barsamian 06-23-2010 07:43 AM

Re: Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mark callanan (Post 193876)
James

You don't need a rent a motor you have one of the best motor builders in the country already......

I wonder WHO?
LOL

buzzinhalfdozen 06-23-2010 09:23 AM

Re: Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
Manny, maybe you'd have better luck trying to borrow / rent a complete race car. that may be easier than a powertrain rental. There may be a few guys that aren't planning on going to Indy. Just a thought. Joe

Travis Miller 06-23-2010 09:47 AM

Re: Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 193854)
What about teardowns? Who is responsable for the disassembly and assembly of a leased engine? The Pro Stock guys are not allowed to open up a leased engine. If found ILEGAL who is resonsable for the infraction? The owner/driver of the car or the engine builder? I always thought the owner/driver was responsable for being DQed no matter who built the engine. Many questions need to be addresed if this is to be allowed.

Teardowns on index cars are few and far between but could happen. No big deal on a leased Stock or S/S engine. No secrets, just a basic engine. Owner/driver does the teardown and pays for the gaskets. If the engine is DQed, owner/driver takes the penalty and sues the builder. Remember there is a contract involved in a lease deal. That contract would say the engine will pass teardown.

Pro Stock leased engines are not allowed to be opened up because of the builder secrets in them.

Travis

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Brian Oakes 06-23-2010 10:05 AM

Re: Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
Manny

i have a fresh DA motor that will put is in the top part of the field as it did 2 years ago, with me,but no lease deal, it's 4 sale,fresh from Armstrong's .James he dosen't want a taxi motor LOL

Brian

X-TECH MAN 06-23-2010 10:50 AM

Re: Leasing/Borrowing Motors in Stock & SS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Miller (Post 193977)
Teardowns on index cars are few and far between but could happen. No big deal on a leased Stock or S/S engine. No secrets, just a basic engine. Owner/driver does the teardown and pays for the gaskets. If the engine is DQed, owner/driver takes the penalty and sues the builder. Remember there is a contract involved in a lease deal. That contract would say the engine will pass teardown.

Pro Stock leased engines are not allowed to be opened up because of the builder secrets in them.

Travis

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Thanks....Thats what I was thinking but wanted others to know if it ever happened.


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