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WHY does NHRA require a license & physical to run 10.90 in S/ST ?
Is it because some guys run over 135 MPH and they just want everybody licensed just in case ??
Maybe they need a speed limit to keep these guys in S/G ! :-)

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If you run 135 mph and over, or 9.99 or quicker! You must have the license and physical to go with it. This is what you have to have to run any class, that these two things fall in. Even bracket racing..............
366P s/st s/g

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That is what I thought......BUT NOT what it says on the NHRA form. :-(

Do I need to have a license to drive in an NHRA sanctioned event?

Competitors with a dial-in of 9.99 or quicker (4.50 to 6.39 for eight-mile) or 135 MPH or faster (excludes motorcycles) are required to have a valid NHRA Competition License and NHRA Membership. Categories requiring an NHRA Competition License are as follows but not limited to NHRA Professional categories, Top Alcohol categories, Competition Eliminator, Advanced E.T., Super Comp, Super Gas, certain Super Stock classes as defined by current NHRA rules, SUPER STREET, Top Sportsman, Top Dragster, Snowmobile, ATV, certain Nostalgia TF, Special Fuel E.T. cars and Motorcycles.

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All Super Streeters need a number.
Only Super Streeters that run over 135mph need a number AND a physical.
Unless this rule has changed in the past 3 or 4 years, in '06 when I started going 140s I had to get the chassis cert and the physical. When I was going high 120s I only needed the number.

And PLEEEEEAAAASE don't start the fast Super Streeters should be in Super Gas debate AGAIN!!!!

Kelli
1236 S/ST
1836 S/G

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should the fast super gassers be in super comp? lol

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Or Frank should the Fast Super Comp cars be in Top Dragster....LOL?

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LMAO Frank... that would certainly help me out... I was thinking of putting the roadster in S/C to get away from some of these guys...

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How about we just fix all the index classes and cut them all by a second? SC: 7.90, SG: 8.90, SST: 9.90. I don't personally know anyone in any one of these classes who couldn't step it up (some with a little bit of work). And it would make the classes much more interesting, for example, instead of being on the stop for ~2sec, we'd be on for under a second, and would run at a faster speed on the stop. Fans would much appreciate it, and it would help slow down the leakage from SC to TD and from SG to TS.

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S/ST was supposed to be an "entry level" class ,but it;s been messed up by people afraid to move up to S/G..........:-)

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They are AFRAID to move up !!!! :-)

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Simple cure eliminate the timers, we go back to when Super classes first started the throttle stops where set up off of the shifters and closed when you hit high gear and if many of you remember we had people in the stands watching them back then instead of the "stop-n-go" racing we have now.

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Yea and then everyone would have a brad anderson hemi with a screw blower to run 7.90 @ 250! You can change the index's all you want but someone will always try to be the top dog! This coming from a 129 mph super street racer! hehehe
Aaron Disinger
327y s/st

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agreed no matter what the indexes are your always going to be in the same boat. as far as 10.90 being entry level????? maybe et wise but take a look at most of the races...........tighter than most classes

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Lowering the indexes won't work. It would be a temporary solution, but over time all it would do is force everybody to go out and spend even more money. Speed limits or the elimination of electronic throttle control devices are the only two solutions that I've heard that would work, and speed limits would add another level of complexity to a class that the fans already don't understand.

The best solution is to get rid of the electronics, but I just don't see that ever happening. NHRA currently has enough racers showing up at every race with big dollar cars / engines, and many of those cars / competitors bring sponsorship money with them. By eliminating electronics, they would run the risk of alienating those competitors and losing their money to a competitive sanctioning body. I can guarantee that if the NHRA outlawed electronics that the IHRA would IMMEDIATELY open their outstretched arms to publicly welcome them to their organization (of course, NHRA might not even care, and might just replace us with T/S, T/D, and Pro Modified...oh wait, that's already happening!)

I'm going to quit here before I write a book and get more death threats...

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Afraid of what?

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GOOD GREIF! Hasnt this subject been beat to death long enough? Next time, just do a search for it above and just continue the dead subject on one of the other threads.

Get out of racing if you are not happy with it instead of trying to change it. Or simply just swithch to one of the other classes.

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Sounds like somebody needs to make more HORSE POWER!

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366P S/ST S/G

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I think you mean, spend more money unnecessarily.

I personally have a great class to run in with S/St, and at 10.90 @ 139 mph I'm at the mid-to-high end of the mph pack when you look at the distribution of speeds at any particular event, so I'm perfectly content continuing to race there (well, expect for the fact that the ride is boring as hell because of the throttle stop). But, that doesn't mean that I don't think it is silly that we're all spending this money just to put MORE time in our throttle stops.

As Tony said, this topic has been beaten to death, so I don't need to re-state the myriad of reasons why it would be beneficial to eliminate electronics. In the end, people are averse to change - it's general human nature. People like their nice little routines, and anytime you take somebody out of their routine by changing something, you take them out of their comfort zone. So, people generally avoid change at all cost, and this situation is no different.

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x10000!!!

I have photos of me in late rounds of national events in the 80's, with the stands absolutely packed. The crowds loved us, as we had wheels-up launches and close racing, and with the true win light it was easy enough to understand (and even the people who didn't understand could still see who won). I know, as some have said I'm just a has-been and a whiner, but I think our classes would be more popular if we ran things the old way.

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While I agree that the super classes are boring for the average spectator to watch (although I don't think they should be changed!) it won't mater if we stop using timers or not. There isn't anyone in the stands at most races even when the super stock, comp, alcohol, etc... are running. There just aren't any spectators coming to division races period, at least in div 3. There is one exception and that is Norwalk. This is because he promotes the race. If I am not mistaken he gave away tickets this year too. It works well for ADRL. If you can get the people to come they will buy food and t-shirts. That is where you make your money. It would be better to sell food and t-shirts to 10,000 people than to sell tickets to 100 people. I guess what I am trying to say is that changing the super classes is not going to fix the spectator issue! There aren't enough spectators on the property in the first place.

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I agree that the crowds are down overall. I haven't been to our local LODRS race in a few years (I race a diesel-only series that usually has a race that weekend), but it used to draw a decent crowd. I'll have to ask the track operator what the spectator count was this year.

In the diesel series (NHRDA), we have seen some crappy crowds and some big ones (8000+ people) this year. The bigger events had lots of free tickets given away by event sponsors, as well as radio advertising. My company is sponsoring a big diesel event in a few weeks (July 24), and there are already threads on enthusiast forums organizing convoys up to watch. I'll be taking the race truck out to several locations around town (automotive shops and parts stores) to set up a display to get more exposure to the general public. This was done a couple of weeks ago at an event in a tiny venue (Douglas WY), and the track operator said that our crowds were even bigger than the last LODRS races they had there (back when the economy was good).

I guess my point is that increasing spectator turnout is going to take more than complaining about it on internet forums, and I'm trying to do my part for the series that I run the most.