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Building..... no just moved a few doors down to a Solo location.

Things went from being fun with the DP and straining personal relationships too much to be worth it. My way or the highway isnt going to cut it for 16 hr days.

So.....new projects and new plans, actually finally getting to plans that were mine all along now with the freedom afforded by my abscence in participation of the DP well........back to the races in short order. It will take about a month to finish the other Challenger, my 72 for S/SS/GT ? Still havent made final decisions on what to do with some items.

Thats if it dosent get traded, I have 2 interested parties in a trade and will probably be hopping down to St. Louis to look at one very soon.
Its not as "sexy" as the Challenger but a well done car with definite upsides on the chassis side. Things that I couldnt afford to do/buy/or have done in the 2 month timeline from today to have my own car to the track.

It will take almost 1.5 weeks to get the internet connection at the shop so....for 16 hr days ... ill be OFFLINE.....aaaa....a welcome relief to some Im sure :) Ill probably actually get more work done.

But just be sure (we) the new Drooze Crew will be working hard at annoying and building something to annoy well beyond what the DP could....this time my way, all the way. All the complete goofy ideas I can come up with and weld together. (Or more correctly have our master welder Damon weld together) Ive got a scavenging header setup that may give NHRA Techs a stroke but dosent say it cant be done, a lesson from tuned resonance on two strokes :eek: Never seen a resonance stinger on a Stocker, but why not ? And a few other Drooze Ideas like a Dry Differential....no rule says it has to have fluid in it :eek:

So back to my old haunts with some new "team" members who have helped all along here and there, now full time, like Damon, and David White.....you think Im crazy...lol...:D

But it was a long day today moving shops for my items, and will be tommorow as well, help is on the way for that however and...........

Well some of the help you will know and reckognize others, well while not very internet oriented come 2 monthsish, youll think my HR department searched Guatemalan insane asylums for rocket scientists, The wastelands of the builders of the Machines from Mad Max and the Road warrior (he dresses like that too, sorry Damon you do man) and well......after that what else needs to be said, but these are the people I have worked with on bikes for over 20 years and one of us completes anothers sentence when it comes to crazy ideas, like backing bearings with Beryllium oxide , and yes we did it and it worked :) So.......

Off to the road to ruin, but most certain fun, and who knows we may just get lucky Im shooting for 2 under......any less well that wont be a sucess in my book, and weve all talked and all think it can be done, so.........

Thanks for all the well wishes and I hope to see you all trackside again soon.

And Mandie will be there, we have a new saying thanks to Gary Parker......"Shes young enough to be my daugther, but shes NOT" Mandie T-Shirts will be available for order :)

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Best wishes to you Chris and the new Drooze and Crew with your next project.

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Well great saying Chris, but I have to give the credit for that one to Larry Hill. Hope to see you all soon at the races. Gary

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Why not? Because you are not working with a two-stroke engine. There are a lot of more parameters involved in designing a header for a four-stroke V-8 when compared to a two-stroke. Like Adger Smith told you before, quit comparing the technology and your experience with bikes as applied to four-stroke, V-8 engines. I sometimes believe this way of thinking may have been the culprit to many of the problems with the DP.

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Who or what did you move away from? Your dad? Your sponsor? The ex? I get that you're tired of something at the old place but who or what?

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You're just a youngster. I have seen all sorts of header tuning tried in my years of racing including what you are contemplating. Years later all those wierd header are hanging in sombodys garage as wall decorations. Have fun.

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No doubts, but trying dosent hurt....

Years ago I was told I couldnt build my own Pulsejet engine (a big one) as in over 100 lbs static thrust, well....after a year of getting every imaginable drawing and research info from the curator at WPAFB museum....guess what, I not only could build, but designed my own. Working with Tim Arfons on every bit of info and measurments of all the valve bodies they had from Argus AS400s and the Ford Loon Copies....Well....I did....what I learned from that I consider unique. And it has direct application here, I believe.

Resonance frequency.....2 simple words, to get it RIGHT is a miracle at times but it dosent mean I wont try, why ? Because I have the materials, I have the knowledge and I have the ambition, and Im willing to labor.

I am building a simple straight forward running car FIRST....Just like we did with the DP, someone else said they though my "ambitions" may have caused DP problems....if youve ever seen the DP in person, its about as simple and straight forward as can be, the only thing, and its not caused issue, are the coatings and the header design, I worked with someone VERY well established in the Stocker Header arena, because I heard he was going the same route I wanted to with these , GET the exhaust velocity UP, its essential with these engines. so a 3 step instead of a 2 , not rocket science, that comes next :)

Also in answer, what I am tired of is not having my own schedule, no issues with my father other than worn nerves, you cant spend 16 hrs a day 7 days a week with someone for 8 months without it. But that takes only a few days to rectify, what I was tired of were the plans, MY plans that were put on hold by the DP, I had/have my own ambitions, its hard however to go in the shop and not work on it, next to impossible. Soooo....my father wanted a month or 2 off, he got it, meanwhile we can concentrate on the efforts I wanted. In the end competition BETWEEN my father and I is something we absolutley relish, beyond working together its working againt each other. It took me 20 years to beat him at a game of Asteroids, and it might have been the day he had Chemo, but it was a victory, and Ill never play him at it again :) Sorry pop...lol...

Today I told him as we stood at the backs of our shops, I love you, Im here if you need anything yell, but it has to be on my schedule. Simple, so for the next month and some change I have my own plans ...... Kids are #1, House #2, "Aphrodities Curse" #3. I spent equal time on all 3 today, and it was amazing without the DP how much that was, I even had time to pay visits to a couple racers from the area who run the circut in comp to kibitz. I was told anything I need ask,.....so I did, advice....they agree Im on the right path (once they helped me pick one, I damm near traded the 72 for a Super Gas car, and a nice one) That would have been the easy way out though, and it wouldnt have been mine, not built with my direction and the teams help, tommorow and thrus, final chassis cleanup, then.....The new shop (the second part of NHR used for storage, I assumed the lease on the office section we did not previously occupy)....well its damm near ship shape, and a clean slate ready to move the requisite tools into....plus I got a really monster Miller from a buddy who needs a place to store it....how many welders does one guy need anyway ?

Tommorow.....it all begins.....again.

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Its been agreed its going on the wrap :)

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._2342722_n.jpg

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Thanks Jerry, Mandie sent this to me tonight while I was watching TV....I Actually for once read it ...

I think it will be the droozenverk team motto :D

Life holds no promises as to what will come your way.
You must search for your own ideals and work toward reaching them.
Life makes no guarantees as to what you’ll have.
It just gives you time to make choices and to take chances
and to discover whatever secrets that might come your way.
If you are willing to take the opportunities you are given
and utilize the abilities you have, you will constantly fill your life
with special moments and unforgettable times.

Dena Dilaconi

Racing and building and sharing of time with my father has already created more unforgettable times than I can count.

The rest of it goes on to read.

We all make our own choices and take our own chances. It's when we attach expectations of the outcomes that we face disappointment, that we tend to stop taking the chances that can make our lives brighter.

Life isn't made up of long, extended periods of happiness and bliss. Life is made up of moments, and we make the choices with each moment concerning what we're going to do with our lives. If we want many special moments, then we must make special moments. If we want unforgettable times, then we have to take advantage of our opportunities and abilities and make the times unforgettable.

Life promises us nothing. It's better that way, for if it promised us bliss, then how would we ever learn what it means to create the very special moments of our lives?

For today, this is the path I have chosen to capture more of those moments. Im sure it will make sense to some, other will probably think I either got dosed or was hitting the bong a little too hard.....

But, off to bed, We got a race car to start to build , and doors to varnish, and blood treatments to be had (mandie and my son will be sooooo happy, I dont sweat like a pig in an oven for a few days) and if youve ever seen me sweat, NOT seeing it is refreshing....lol....Its bad when your kid keeps bringing you water saying dad its not humanly possible...

Anyone know the best front suspension setup on an Ebody ? (or who to talk to ?) I tried tracking a couple down at Norwalk, but either Im blind or they had packed up ? These things are soo damm spooky, I have never been sure of torsion susp, it always felt like being pushed on a unicycle by a herd of rabid squirrels....

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Chris, get an old mopar racing manual and pay close attention to the front suspension section.

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Drooze I saw in your post about Ex.. well I hate to tell you, but through testing some of the fast Comp cars have found a 2 step header keeps the velocity up better than the 3 step and is faster/quicker down track. What works best in theory & on a dyno, doesn't always work best in the real world.
I know you are young and have time to waste trying to re-invent the wheel.
Please do what Larry suggested. Study tried and true (already proved) ways of doing things and then after knowing how and why something works, refine and improve the application. As said in another post you aren't the first guy to dream and want to make major changes to the way things are done. I do think it is encouraging that you said you needed a good base to start from... I agree. Build a simple straight forward combination with the tried and true methods and systems. Then if you want to test a theory you have a stable base/platform to work from. Remember this sport of racing is all about making the laws of Physics work for you, not cheating them... A long time ago I was told by a very smart Engineering Professor that you couldn't cheat the laws of Physics, only use them correctly and you might get away with bending them a little before you broke them.. :~)
Good Luck....

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I do appreciate the advice Adger, and in truth it is exactly what we did with the Mega Maniac, we started with all established items.

Even on the header side we ordered the TTI's 2 steps that everyone else was running, why because they were a known quantity.

Timing dictated the 3 steps however because delivery of the 2 steps wasnt until after we were trackside, plus being mild stell afforded us the opportunity to change them more easily.

In our scenario, the 3 steps are working better, why ? Cam profile, head flow, I dont know and havent had time to disect why.

I couldnt agree more, Dyno's are in my opinion useless except for a baseline, they do not replicate the exact conditions of accell , decel, airflow, etc. I much to our tuner chagrin, said no more Dyno, trackside, the last tune that I wrote propelled us to a 10.59, and was rough at best.

I agree Adger, it may not sound like I do but I do, I ALWAYS start with a KNOWN quantity , its part of the Scientific Method, its a control and its required. From there, we will "play" but I will have a basline to go from.

Thank you Adger, and others for your concern, our INITIAL steps , even on the DP are exactly as you said, staret with something known. From there we will diverge, I guess I havent communicated that well, and thats my fault, the DP , except headers well, its pretty much like all the others.......Now it will be changed , we learned what works and what can be improved upon, in that arena unfortunatley there have been few examples to follow early, Irv Johns, Doug Duell....well that been about it. Now its interesting to see we are having people follow things WE did, several teams.....all knowledge is bite sized pieces as it were, and Were hungry.

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Drooze, I can tell you have a lot to learn about what a dyno can and cannot do and how to read the results.

Not to make you sound ignorant, but can you explain your "Scientific Method"? Is it removing and replacing parts until you see an increase of performance?

What Adger was trying to make you understand is that you need to try to match the baseline from others that are racing your same combination and start from there. Not all performance gains come from the engine itself. Try to quit re-inventing the wheel.

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"Scientific" testing. Should be A-----B-----A
Change one thing, not 2 or 3
Get a baseline.
Then make your change,
Get another baseline,
Then got back to the original setup and get a baseline.
This is how it should be done. Too many times, you make a change and something else goes away at the same time. So you can't really evaluate the change

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Chris, Not really sure what you are going to do as far as the DP but with the 72 Chally you might want to look at an --ALTERKATION--- front end that will give you coil over shocks and rack steering. ---Seen them on a bunch of mopars and owners more than happy with the product. Good luck with the the new toy.

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Sorry Finespline...not legal in SS Class.

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If you want to explore the header situation, you must have this
http://www.maxracesoftware.com/pipemax36xp2.htm

This is Larry Meaux's new baby. Larry is not an engine builder but a head , intake, exhaust guy. He has spent many years working on this and is one of the smartest people I know.

Greg

If you don't know Larry , go to his forum. You ask a question and he will give you a solid answer.

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SORRY BOUT THAT-------THOUGHT HE MIGHT BE LEANING TOWARDS A BRACKET STYLE CAR WITH THE 1972. IF SS IS THE DIRECTION THAN YOUR STUCK WITH THE TORSION BARS.:eek:

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Have it.....but good advice, had it since before the DP and it confirmed what I thought not to the same numbers but still an improvment over 2, but someone else said about at high rpm with 2 vs 3 and I can see that, every engine is different, we followed some peoples lead who HAVE had experience with this engine and the result on that side have been good, when everything else was/is flushed out well....the TTI's will be given a shot. Grubbs looked at my Car in Atlanta, and said, Im glad to see you have good headers....are they best ? Well find out....but its funny, I will bet dollars to dimes, a couple people who are shaking their head about my choice on the DP headers are running headers made by the same guy.

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Thanks, any idea where to get my hands on one, or an exact title ?

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Drooze here is a little reading for you....
Read and study this: http://www.racetec.cc/shope/
It is not something you can not do in one visit. There are so many between the lines bits of information that you will find yourself re reading it.
If you have minimal engineering or mechanical skills you should enjoy this site.
From the site:


Bill is a guy that fits the term, been there done that...No re inventing the wheel... Good sound engineering.
(form site):
Bill is a retired automotive engineer. While employed at Chrysler, he was one of the original members of the Ramchargers and was responsible for rear suspension setup of the club's record-holding C/A. He taught at the General Motors Institute and was a faculty advisor for the Institute's motorsports club, the Firebirds.

Bill has lectured in thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, physics, classical mechanics, advanced calculus, and differential equations at the college level. Most recently, he taught a graduate level engineering course on vehicle dynamics (using Race Car Vehicle Dynamics, by William and Douglas Milliken, as the text) at the University of Central Florida.

Bill was a guest speaker at the 1998 SAE Motorsports Conference and has personal dragracing experience dating back to the mid '50s.

I hope you enjoy it and it helps your program/learning curve.
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It's Called;
Direct Connection Performance Book
Racing tips from the facory experts for Mopars Dating back to 1958.
Chryser corp. pn. P4120792

Got mine in 1980 at the Plymouth Dealer. It was a Direct Connection Item.
You may find one on e-bay.

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Go to Mancini Racing's website and search "chassis manual"....they have brand new 9th edition versions from Mopar Performance for $10.00....Great info inside and very good starting points to get to the end conclusions......


D L Rambo......