Oldsmobile oil system mods
 

Need advice on 455 Olds stocker oil system mods. Restricted pusrods, lifter restrictors etc? What's most effective?

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Install restrictors on the mains and lifters and open up the oil return on the cylinder heads. There are several online vendors for these parts.

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Give F. J. Smith a call . He had a pretty good package for Super Stock .

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If you'll notice, those restrictors you put in the feeds for the cam bearings, are not really doing much. They have a passage in them that is as large or larger than the holes in the cam bearings themselves. If you have a hole that is 0.125" feeding a hole that is 0.110", which hole is the restriction? Usually, the clearance between the cam bearing and the cam bearing journal is such that not much oil is going to get through there anyway.

If you really feel like you need to cut down the oil to the cam bearings, just drill a smaller oil feed hole 180 degrees around from the original, and put the hole you drilled towards the feed from the main bearing.

If you restrict the oil to the hydraulic lifters, you run the risk of having the lifters collapse if you have very much valve spring. I'm not convinced it is worth it.

There are a couple of problems Oldsmobile builders face. The first is the crappy main bearings. Last year at the PRI Show, I spoke with King Bearings about producing an Oldsmobile bearing for racing, with a narrower 270 degree groove, as opposed to that wide, deep groove you get in the Clevite bearings.

Now, the Federal Mogul 108M bearing set is 1/2 groove. It's a decent bearing, and if you coat the bearing (I suggest HM Elliott) it does a decent job. I hope King will bring the new bearing out, but I have no way of knowing if/when that will happen.

The other problem I've been seeing is the horrible oil pumps. You just have to find a supplier that will let you sort through a few to see if you can get a good one. It is not at all uncommon to find the M-22FHV high performance oil pump with 0.005" end clearance and as much as 0.008" side clearance. Odds are, you won't find one with less than 0.005" side clearance, and you may go through 5-10 pumps to get there. You can carefully stone the housing to get your end clearance down to 0.002", but don't waste any time doing that on one of those pumps that has 0.008" side clearance. Schumann is supposedly going to make a good Oldsmobile pump, but it has been on the drawing board for 3-5 years now.

Remember that a big block Olds has massive bearing diameters, so you need plenty of clearance, especially on the mains, since the bottom of the block moves around. The large diameter combined with the narrow width and the high speed at any real RPM like you see when racing creates a lot of demand, and precludes the use of thinner oils. Make the bearing bores in the rods and mains tight and round, on the small side of the spec, and get your clearance by grinding the crank to the low side. That helps to maintain crush on the bearings, keeping them round and in place.

By all means, smooth and radius every passage that allows oil to drain back to the pan, and do not use any screens. Be especially careful of the drain back holes in the heads, at the deck, and in the head gaskets, make absolutely sure nothing obstructs or restricts the flow back to the pan.

I'd drill the pushrod holes in the heads out, very carefully, to allow the use of 3/8" 0.125" wall pushrods, as the Olds uses a very long pushrod, and the thin wall small diameter pushrods will flex if you have decent valve springs. I'd say Trend or Smith Brothers will make them with restricted holes, if you feel the need.

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By all means Call FJ
905 772 5535

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Hey Alan I was priming an olds 455 with oil I had built and it was impossible to prime with the valve covers off. I proceded to section an old valve cover to see how much oil was under valve cover and was amazed. I installed some smith bros pushrods with a .030 oil hole and did my priming again and still think there is too much oil up top. Any other ideas other than what you posted. Did the mods already!

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Try a different set of lifters. What lifters do you have in it right now?

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What about cross-drilling the entire crank? As it's not completeley cross-drilled from the factory

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Cross drilling isn't necessary. So long as you have good oil pressure and volume, and the rods stay round, you won't have a rod problem. Olds main webs are weak, and you end up with main bearing problems. Number four main is a problem for the Oldsmobile.

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I checked out three different sets of lifters. Checked the diameter of the orifice going into lifter and location of orifice. Also checked diameter of pushrod cup and they all were within .002.

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What brand and part number lifters are they?

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Make sure they are Oldsmobile lifters and not Chevy. The Oldsmobile/Pontiac lifters has the band and orifice at a different location.

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Comp cams #863 lifters are a decent off the shelf lifter for these motors.
NEVER use a Chevy lifter in a BOP application as SSDiv6 mentioned the BOP lifter is taller and has the band further up the lifter. If you use a cam with a small base circle the band can be exposed at the bottom of the lifter bore with a Chevy lifter. Not only will you then have an oil problem but you loose support of the lifter in the bore and that could (will) lead to catastrophic failure. While were on the subject of valve train, guide plates are now legal for the Oldsmobile heads you don’t want to run without them!

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As noted above, you don't need cam bearing oiling restrictors. However, don't drill new holes 180 deg. away or the original hole will be right under the bolt that holds the baffle plate. Drill the new hole around 160 degrees away and you will be fine. The Chevy lifters I have seen meter too much oil to the pushrods. With solids you can drill the lifter oil feeds to .135" and red loctite in allen set screws that you have heated red hot to detemper them and then drilled with a .040" bit.