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greg fulk 08-07-2010 09:20 PM

cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
I ask this for a couple reasons....1) Dad claims that in 1970 @ the track somebody he knew had a "NEW" 70 Camaro SS 454?? He claims they came in & out ran a 69 Camaro with a 427?? Also I know for a fact my Grandmother bought a new 78 Caprice Classic with a 305 4bbl. I also had a friend in high school that had a 78 or 79 Nova SS with a 305 4-bbl???? Neither are in the guide (i'm told the Caprice is in the IHRA guide?)

my69396 08-07-2010 09:45 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
How about my favorite, the 1970 Yenko Nova.

Jack McCarthy 08-07-2010 09:59 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
1991 buick roadmaster wagon... damn and i got one !

jack

Jeff Goss 08-07-2010 10:11 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
That 70 must have been a Baldwin-Motion version. Don't know how many were made, but must not be enough to qualify to be in the guide.

Greg Reimer 7376 08-07-2010 10:44 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
1970 Chevy Monte Carlo convertible??? How did they arrive at the shipping weights on this one??

Larry Hill 08-08-2010 08:54 AM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
1971 440 four barrel Cuda and Challanger.

GUMP 08-08-2010 02:11 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
1997 LT4 F-Bodies.

Ed Wright 08-08-2010 08:23 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 203148)
1997 LT4 F-Bodies.

Wish they were. Were the '97 Firehawks all manual trans?

GUMP 08-08-2010 08:30 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 203214)
Wish they were. Were the '97 Firehawks all manual trans?

Yes. Are you coming to the Shootout?

Jim Wahl 08-08-2010 08:47 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
In '69 I had a friend in School who had a Yenko Corvair! It was for real, I saw the VIN ID. I wonder how many of those were made? Tom? Any idea? I wish I had it now! Jim

Jeff Lee 08-08-2010 10:00 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
It was called the "Yenko Stinger". Don Yenko was involved in road racing before drag racing and the Stinger was his first "tuner" car. Google it.

Mike Schwartz 08-08-2010 11:49 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
The 1999-2003 Ford ZX2. The last listing in the Guide was for 1998 and there weren't even any engine specifications then.

Harry 6674 08-09-2010 08:52 AM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
1967 Ford Ranchero with any engine.

Alan Roehrich 08-09-2010 08:58 AM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl (Post 203224)
In '69 I had a friend in School who had a Yenko Corvair! It was for real, I saw the VIN ID. I wonder how many of those were made? Tom? Any idea? I wish I had it now! Jim


Quite a few. There were several stages, and they were built from around 65 or 66 up till around 68 or so. Yenko installed cams, carburetors, headers, ignition upgrades, roll cages, suspension upgrades, as well as wheel and tire packages. Most of them were dark blue with white stripes.

I have a 65 Corsa 140 4 speed with a Crown racing suspension kit sitting in the storage building. I've even got two sets of Porsche 40 TIN Zenith 3 barrel carburetors.

Chad Rhodes 08-09-2010 09:45 AM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
87-91 Callaway Twin Turbo Corvette. It was GM RPO code B2K, and there were over a 100 in each year they were built, one year i believe was over 500. Those cars made great power with very little boost, and I my memory serves the turbos would support a lot more than the 375-425 they were rated at.

W J 08-09-2010 09:49 AM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Was/is the 1965 Chevelle Z-16 big block car in the classification guide? 375 hp, 396, a 201 unit-build car, supposedly 200 2dr. SS hdt. cars and 1 SS convertible. All were equipped w/Muncie close-ratio 4 speeds. Never saw one of these cars in person that was the "real deal" ....only a couple of phony "clones"....WJ

treessavoy 08-09-2010 11:04 AM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
The often talked about 1966 D/Dart, Chrysler said they made 50 but I don'y think that number was ever reached but they certainly made more of them than they did 1965 Hemi 4bbl cars.

JimR

Alan Roehrich 08-09-2010 11:10 AM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by W J (Post 203276)
Was/is the 1965 Chevelle Z-16 big block car in the classification guide? 375 hp, 396, a 201 unit-build car, supposedly 200 2dr. SS hdt. cars and 1 SS convertible. Never saw one of these cars in person that was the "real deal" ....only a couple of phony "clones"....WJ

The 65 Malibu SS Coupe is in the guide with the 396/375 4 speed only. It's a natural B/S car. The convertible is not in the guide.

mtkawboy 08-09-2010 11:31 AM

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Ive seen the real Z-16 65 malibus, they all had the funky wheel looking hub caps on them, at least the ones I saw.

John Lang 08-09-2010 12:18 PM

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There is a REAL and original Z-16 in Milwaukee with 7200 miles ! All original w/funky hubcaps ! He's a friend of mine, and he bought it new ! He drives it at night, because he got sick of people following him , wanting to know It is a real one , and does he want to sell it ! The car is flawless, as in like the day he got it ! He refers to the car as his TAX FREE 401 plan ! ...........Later, John

Alan Roehrich 08-09-2010 12:21 PM

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The convertible Z-16, by the way, belonged to Dan Blocker, better known as "Hoss" Cartwright.

Michael Beard 08-09-2010 12:25 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 203231)
It was called the "Yenko Stinger". Don Yenko was involved in road racing before drag racing and the Stinger was his first "tuner" car. Google it.

You'll love Merle Grabhorn's "The True Exploits of a Yenko Stinger".... hilarious (and true!) story, at http://www.staginglight.com/editorials/mg1.html

TGould 08-09-2010 02:14 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Back in mid-1965 Don Yenko, noted Corvette racer and Chevrolet dealer from Cannonsburg PA ,decided to take the second generation Corvair and do to it what Carroll Shelby did to the Ford Mustang. He and his dad formed Yenko Sports Cars. Don purchased 100 white 1966 Corvair Corsa coupes with all the available performance parts. These cars were then modified with fiberglass body parts and tuned to one of four stages of preparation per customer specifications. The result was the Yenko Stinger. The SCCA classified the cars in its D-Production class. In addition to the original 100 white Stingers, a number of clones (all colors) have been built and raced (SCCA) by individuals.

Following the Stinger effort, Don got permission to build the Aluminum big block Chevrolet V-8, which Yenko Sports Cars installed in Camaros and Chevelles.

W J 08-09-2010 02:44 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 203327)
The convertible Z-16, by the way, belonged to Dan Blocker, better known as "Hoss" Cartwright.

Alan, I recently read (over on a Z-16 site) that only 65 of these "original" Z-16 Chevelles can now be accounted for, and the lone Z-16 SS convertible is not one of them.....and yes, those "simulated magnesium wheel covers" sure were ugly. They also were supposedly optional on regular 1965 Chevelle SS cars. :)

Warren Lederer. WJ

Alan Roehrich 08-09-2010 03:10 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
A closer look at some stuff I have read reveals that most consider the convertible to be something of a hoax. The car I saw that was supposed to be "the" Z-16 convertible, and also supposed to be a gift to Dan Blocker from Chevrolet (they were a big advertiser on Bonanza) was identical in color to the one car that is verified to be his.

There are two problems that I had forgotten. First, Chevrolet does not list having built even one convertible, and they also do not list one as being built with an automatic.

The Z-16 that is verified to have been Dan Blocker's car is butternut yellow hard top with a black top.

The one convertible I saw was butternut yellow with a black convertible top and black interior. It also had a 400 transmission with an odd looking console. The timing cover on that car looked different as well, and it sounded like it had a two gear cam drive, if you've ever heard a Chevrolet big block with one of the original two gear cam drives and reverse rotation camshaft, you almost always know one if you hear it. Chevrolet says no such car was ever built, and the documentation on this car has been claimed to be forged.

I had forgotten about this until I was reminded of it this morning after I posted that.

Paul Ceasrine 08-09-2010 04:41 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
The 1968 Copo Nova's from Fred Gibb Chevrolet.
427 cars that were classed in SS/CA.
Their not listed in the guide.
pc

Ed Wright 08-09-2010 07:34 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 203217)
Yes. Are you coming to the Shootout?

Probably not. Can't run my SS engine due to the Bowtie block. I would have to find time to get my 383" cleaned up and back together and change rear end gears. Not enough hours in a day anymore. I may be having surgery on my right arm & shoulder about then which will bring everything to a halt for a while.
You just need to go win it again.

greg fulk 08-09-2010 08:44 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
I read somewhere that Yenko built 7 or 9 69 Novas with a 427 in them...but someone was killed in one somewhere in Va. on the way to being delivered. Are the Swiss Cheese Catalinas in the guide? (i've never looked)

treessavoy 08-09-2010 09:27 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by greg fulk (Post 203408)
I read somewhere that Yenko built 7 or 9 69 Novas with a 427 in them...but someone was killed in one somewhere in Va. on the way to being delivered. Are the Swiss Cheese Catalinas in the guide? (i've never looked)


I don't think any of the aluminum nosed Pontiac's are in the guide.

JimR

GUMP 08-09-2010 10:10 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
How about the 1987 Buick GNX?

X-TECH MAN 08-10-2010 05:17 AM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by treessavoy (Post 203413)
I don't think any of the aluminum nosed Pontiac's are in the guide.

JimR

Just the 62's with alum. front ends and 421's.

Aubrey N Bruneau 08-10-2010 09:42 AM

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The Canadian Pontiac "7000" Series that I work on. Strato Chief, Laurentian, Parisienne full size cars, are COMPLETELY Chevrolet in specifications, with the very same engine options ( actually 62 and earlier, there were no 4 speeds, no 300HP 327, and no high comp/solid lifter 348's ).
These cars are not in the guide. However, in 1981, as a 21 year old kid, I made an amateur attempt at a Stocker, with a 63 Parisienne hardtop, 300HP 327 4 speed. I contacted NHRA Div 6 tech ( Tom Compton ? ), to see if it would be accepted. They got back to me and said yes, the car is all Chevrolet. Ran within a 10th of the index, on a set of L60 15 "Road Huggers".

treessavoy 08-10-2010 11:00 AM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
I read in another post someplace that 289/271hp Falcons were sold in Canada....these cars were not available in the US for some reason. Does anyone know why Ford didn't build this combo for the US? Seems like a great combo.

JimR

Paul Ceasrine 08-10-2010 01:19 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Jim,
I think it was (8) 1965 Falcon 2-door sedans. Not "K"-Code, but Code #992 Special Order 289/271HP cars. Classed for B/S.
Came with 4.57 gears.
Did any 1965 Mercury Cyclones come through with 289/271HP engines.
It's in the guide, but were they really made?
1964 289/271HP cars were produced, but 1965's?
pc

X-TECH MAN 08-10-2010 01:36 PM

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[QUOTE
Did any 1965 Mercury Cyclones come through with 289/271HP engines.
It's in the guide, but were they really made?
1964 289/271HP cars were produced, but 1965's?
pc[/QUOTE]

Yes.....A friend (Gene Collins) had a 202 2 door post sedan (C/S at that time.....F/S today) sponsored by a local Lincoln Mercury dealer. Raced at Aquasco, Capitol and other local tracks in Md. Ran against the 1960 SD 389 Pontiacs (Gene Calhoons Arapaho, Dick Hills 60 Pontiac) and 61 270 HP Vettes. It was in a D.C. car show as it was really done up nice for that era. Another friend had a Red Cyclone but only as a street car and I was just alking to him about that car last week on the phone. He wished he had it back....lol. Gene Collins later ran a 66 271 automatic Mustang and won the NASCAR Daytona Winternationals. He was my partner in a 71 Dodge Challenger 383 factory/Dealer effort so I knew him well. I just dont know how many 271's were made.

Paul Ceasrine 08-10-2010 03:05 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
X-Tech.
I liked those 65' Mercury's with the dual vertical head-lights, and
optional dual-scoop fiberglass hood.
Thought the 65' only came through with the 289/225HP. I saw one in K/Stock in 1968.
A Comet Caliente' (13.00-13.99 wt/hp). Had that nice dual-exhaust system.
A nice little street terror. In the rain, the back-end was as slippery as a 'banana-peel'.
Didn't know the 65's could get the 271HP-HiPo
pc

X-TECH MAN 08-10-2010 03:54 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Yep.....Had my hands on a couple of them (271 HP versions.) but they had standard steel hoods. The dual fiber glass scoop was for the B/FX cars. FYI.....if it had dual exhaust on the 225 HP version Comet (and the 271's) it was an owner or dealer mod. They only came with single exhaust with that cool sounding single muffler or a dealer add on (not OEM) . That was a big "stink" with the guys running in the local Pure Stock classes back in 1965 as the 225 HP Mustangs had duals and the Comet owners screamed UNFAIR as they ran the same class. They were later allowed to change to aftermarket duals because of this problem.

treessavoy 08-10-2010 04:43 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 203525)
Jim,
I think it was (8) 1965 Falcon 2-door sedans. Not "K"-Code, but Code #992 Special Order 289/271HP cars. Classed for B/S.
Came with 4.57 gears.
Did any 1965 Mercury Cyclones come through with 289/271HP engines.
It's in the guide, but were they really made?
1964 289/271HP cars were produced, but 1965's?
pc

Paul,

A friend of mine bought the 1965 Cyclone with the 271hp just after high school he also opted for the factory tri-power at the same time so we never knew how fast it really was in stock trim. Don't know how many were made.

JimR

7820 08-10-2010 07:44 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
This Z-16 was sold at auction on June 19th in San Diego. The selling price includes the 10% buyers premium.

I attended the auction.......cars sold cheap but I did not bring enough money to buy the car I wanted.


http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails...4&Currency=USD

X-TECH MAN 08-10-2010 08:14 PM

Re: cars that were built but not in the guide?
 
What some do not know is the Z-16's were all built on a convertible frame even though they were all hardtops because of the reiforcements of the frame.


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