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Dont take this wrong but when did NHRA allow hood scoops on 1966 Street Hemis and the fiberglass Ford hood and scoop on the 427 Ford Fairlane station wagons (west coast car) with either one 4 or two 4's? I think they look cool but they originally did not come on those combos. 67 was the first year for the Street Hemis as a WO or an RO S/S package and the 2 door hard tops and sedans were the only Fairlanes with a glass hood and scoop. Was this a change made in recent times? Im just asking when this came about? Was it a letter from Carrol Shelby or mother MoPar?

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It's called paper options!!! Been thinking about building a 66 Shelby with hood scoop and Paxton I thought i saw in in NHRA specs

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Terry I believe your right, because MOPAR DID NOT put a scoop on anything in 1966... The STREET HEMIS were available in Dodges & Plymouths in the hardtop or sedans in 66 & 67, but WITHOUT a scoop!!! In 1967 the RACE HEMIS were available in Dodges & Plymouths WO and RO package was superstock ONLY and hardtop ONLY and yes WITH a scoop!!! Your memory serves you well, not sure about the FORDS but we know someone that does.Maybe there was a letter -[MORE PAPER]

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And how did the single 4 NASCAR verson end up with a scoop? Did you ever see a NASCAR race back in 1964 or 65 where the mopars were running a hood scoop? I watched and I didnt see a single mopar with a hood scoop running around Daytona !

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Yet another good question, probably more [GOOD PAPER] it must be legal, cause it's HAPPENING. HEY DAVE MANN IF YOUR OUT THERE WATCHING WHAT DO YOU THINK??? AND I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT I ONCE HAD A PAPER ROUTE.

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Yes........... but the engines were street Hemi's in the RO/WO cars. lower compression and inline dual Carter's!

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Jason has run his Belvedere as both a 66 w/o scoop and 67 w/scoop..That was always the argument with Judy Lily's 67 2dr S/S sedan that it supposedly came straight from MaMopar as a RO equipped 2dr sedan. If I remember what I read about it is they made them change it back to a non scooped hood.

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And I remember a Stock racer who had a 428 CJ '68 Cougar in E/S. He fought NHRA for a ram-air system & they said "no, never existed". I'm no Ford expert but I would bet the evidence is there that Cougars were available with ram-air in '67-'68 (non shaker style).

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Dosent matter what year he claims.....The hood scoop ONLY came on the WO and RO Super Stock package 2 door hard top Belvederes. All the Judy Lilly stuff was just MoPar tryng to pull some BS.....Like the new DP's......lol. I lived thru that era and years earlier but lets just say that someone left the barn door open at NHRA and ALL of the cows (and Elvis) have left the building ! Its not what is stock or OEM but its what NHRA allows you to get away with is all that counts or matters.

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69 only.....but NHRA has allowed a lot of stuff that never came OEM on a lot of combos since Farmer retired.

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Simple answer-Use what you can get away with in Tech. The water gets muddier with time and the fine points are lost.
Too many combinatiions to police and know as most dyed in the wool car guys gradually disappear and lack of true concern for detail remains.

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I agree......Im not knocking anyone for it. I think the cars look better with the factory scoops and they usually dont work all that well anyway but I just wanted people to be aware of what was happening with some of this stuff. If NHRA buys it......then so be it. Its mostly a bracket race with rules anyway and since class and records is a joke now with the new FI and blower cars involved all we can hope for is to have fun and enjoy what it is until it is no more.

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Guy's, A letter was submitted to the NHRA from Mopar Performance, stating the there were some 67 Dr Post cars both Dodge & Plymouth with the hood scoop ! So all are legal if they are 67, 2Dr Post Cars, in addition to the WO & RO Cars, which were 2DrHp!.......Later, John

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Just like the Shelby letters......LOL. I was "there" during this time frame and I disagree about the hood scoops.

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7.0 L (427/428) GT-E '68 Cougars with ram-air. There's even one in Car-Craft this month. Not that it's Gospel but I've seen it on more than one. Bill Howell had a few GT-E's but I don't know if they were Ram-air or not.

I would agree street hemi B body was no hood scoop.

And I also am under the impression scooped Fairlane's were SS only and a very popular dealer add on. But again, I'm no expert on Ford's!

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What are "hood scoopes"? Oh, you mean hood scoops. Nice spelling.

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Typo....I cant type.

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The word "can't", as in "can not", utilizes an apostrophe.

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Get a life.....I said I "CAN NOT" type !

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John Dee & I ran a 67 Fairlane 4 door wagon, 427/410 single 4 barrel 4 speed car in the early 70s without the hood scoop in E/S in Div 2. To the best of my knowledge it was a SS option on the 2-4 motor only but I could be wrong. No one else ever ran a scoop on one back then either ,strictly the 427/425 hardtop SS cars. Richard Charboneau {sp} never ran one either. That was before special letters from Mfgrs existed though

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Terry,

This thread has my interest. I am building a 68 Cyclone with a 428. I presently have a scoop I ran on the street, which is a stang scoop, because the Merc version is a little harder to find. The Merc is wider and taller.

My question is do I have to run the Merc style? Do I have to run the ram air with it? Can the scoop be a replica(ie: easier to find and easier on the wallet)? Can the hood be a non ram air hood made to fit and operate as the ram?

I appreciate all comments on this.

Steve

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Its been years since I have kept up but I believe you can run a replica as long as its correct and steel as OEM. You will need the air filter/carb base with the rubber seal and air flap also. If you can duplicate the OEM hole in the hood you can use your hood. Check with an NHRA tech person if you plan on running NHRA. Ive been out of the loop for about 10 years.

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Who the hell cares?

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Jason Mc's car is an original hemi car. Never knew that until this weekend. Makes it even cooler, if that's possible....

Wade O

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You are correct.....I fogot about those. There were not very many made. Im old.....lol.

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You at Notre Dame on a football scholarship? LOL

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Yes That is cool and when he raced in IHRA's first Top Stock race it was WITHOUT the hood scoop. I think it looks better with the scoop myself. There's just something mean looking about a Hemi and those factory scoop's.

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Haha, that would be nice! I would have a personal tutor to worry about all that stuff for me while I play football. :D
But seriously, this isn't an essay we're writing here. I doubt even my English professor would care about perfect grammar on an internet forum.

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Don't those fighting woman on Jerry Springer scream " You don't know me" when the crowd boos them?

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I want a hood scoop for my 71 vette like the 69! Any chance!!!

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SS:

That was hilarious..

I actually use a spelling add-on in Firefox that flags any mispelled words to save the hassle of someone getting on me about my spelling..

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About as much as a snow ball in hell.......lol.

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Actually, to be more culturally correct in today's social climate I believe "El Scoopo" would be more appropriate.


:p

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Jason,

You don't even know me and you certainly have it wrong. I'm blown away by the lack of writing/communication skills of grown men on this forum, many who write worse than most Third graders. That goes beyond typos.

It's actually quite sad, and in many cases hard to read. My English is far from perfect, but holy crap, there are some really poor posts on here. I mean come on, read your post before hitting enter.

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Only the '67 RO-WO package cars had hood scoops and they where all hard tops.
64-65 NASCAR Hemis where all hard top 4-speeds without hood scoops.

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Mate's:
All you Blokes have to understand that Terry is a Cheeky Fellow and when he used the term "Scoope" as in referenced to the Bonnet of the race car; he was using the Queen's English Lexis for "Hood Scoop".

So, for all you Gob****e's out there throwing a wobbly with all this rubbish, although many may consider him a geezer, don't let your knickers get all wound up and start to whinge when Terry uses the Queen's Lexis in other posts. http://www.pic4ever.com/images/245.gif

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Obviously you lack culture...hood scoopes is a French word (although it probably should be "Le hood scoopes)
Say: scoopay

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Don't call it that in Arizona.. you'll get arrested on suspicion..:D

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I have been racing Chyrsler " MoPar " cars since 1964, mostly on the local level, so I've been around the block a couple of times. I am a MoPar guy through & through with an extensive library of books on MoPars from way back in the day up to the new DP's. Here to my knowledge, is a list of all of the factory cars to come with hood scoops. The 1963 & 1964 aluminum nose max wedge cars. The 1964 & 1965 Hemi B body cars. The 1967 RO-23 Plymouth Belveders,& the WO-23 Dodge Coronets. The 1968 Hemi Barracuds & Darts. There are some 1973 & 1974 Dodge Dart Sports with a scoop, but it is not sealed underneath to the carb. I have searched high and low, going through countless books and tech bullitins and even made a call to Galen Govier, and I cannot find any where that a hood scoop was ever put on anything that Chrysler made in 1966. If it was a legal piece, why don't the other two or three racers in the country who run a 1966 Hemi car have them? I race a 1967 Plymouth GTX and have asked NHRA if the RO-23 scoop would be legal on my car. The two answers I got was, it never came on a GTX with the 440 engine, and it ia ONLY legal in Super Stock with the Hemi engine. I questioned NHRA again, stating that I was going to race a Hemi engine in my car in stock eliminator GTX. Would the scoop now be legal on my car. The answer was no, Super Stock only. I have a scoop, but I don't have the gonads to put it on and show up for a race, as I like racing and having a good time at the track, and don't want to piss anybody off. As for the Judy Lilly post car, to my knowledge it was a one on a kind thing. All 55 Plymouth RO-23 Belveders and all 55 Dodge WO-23 Coronets had the fast back roof line as my GTX. That is 25 cents worth from an old MoPar dude. Happy racing everyone.

John Bender 1967 Plymouth GTX E/SA