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greg fulk 09-12-2010 12:05 AM

Good Combos
 
I have a few combos I think can (for now) run (read Qualify with) the Cobra Jets/Drag Packs. ( I'm talking stock or SS) 1) how about an 80 Monza 151 with a 2bbl W/S? 2) how about a 97 "T" bird 4.6L SS/PA 3) 74 Nova SS/LA? 4) 78 Camaro U/SA? then my fav 5) 352 SS GT??????

Billy Nees 09-12-2010 08:23 AM

Re: Good Combos
 
1. Good car, cost a "fortune" to do right, find one. If I did find one it would have a 191 V6 in it for V/SA.
2. Another expensive car to do right (rear swing axle). I wouldn't want to tear it down.
3. Been done, good car not great.
4. Best one you've got listed here for Stock. SHHHHH!
5. I can't figure out why this one hasn't been done a hundred times for SS and GT.
Keep looking Greg!

stage1scott 09-12-2010 08:28 AM

Re: Good Combos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by greg fulk (Post 209829)
i have a few combos i think can (for now) run (read qualify with) then my fav 5) 352 ss gt??????

352 what? Ss/gt?

CaptCobrajet 09-12-2010 12:37 PM

Re: Good Combos
 
I assume he means 352 FE Ford. It is a really attractive combo. I did one last year that turned out really good. It can be done for less money than a 350 Chevy and is just perfect for a Fox-body Mustang in the GT classes. If a guy wants to run Super Stock, a Fox-body with a 352 is the LEAST expensive way to go really fast, and it is a Ford, not a small block Chevy. I borrowed some technology from my Cobra Jet program, made some changes, and it came out really good. BTW, this is the OLD 352 from 1964, not the new one.

Jeff Lee 09-12-2010 12:45 PM

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I was looking at an FE 352 for a potential stocker several years ago. I thought it looked pretty decent at the time and sure wouldn't hesitate to build one for SS as you suggested. The Mustang would be more modern & aesthetically pleasing but a Fairmont might be a good body also.
Does it get any of the after market heads?
So how far under did you get the Mustang?

CaptCobrajet 09-12-2010 01:20 PM

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Jeff, it gets the Edelbrock head with the OEM valve size. It is the same as a 390, but a bigger chamber volume. I had about 30 cc's to spare when I got done with the intake port, and about 20 left on the exhaust, LOL. It did not go in a Fox body. The guys who have it are going to put it in a '69 Mustang ex-Stocker. They have some work to do, but it went 124 mph in the heat at Bowling Green, and there is a ton of work to do to the car. I'd like to see one in a GT car at 26-2700 lbs. It would be a 9-second car. One the Stocker idea, that will work too. It only has .408 at the valve, but the iron head can get really good up to that point. I've been playing with that for about 10 years off and on. I bought Kip Martin's old Galaxie to do something like that a long time ago. I have done the R&D on the engine, but the car is still sitting.............too many irons in the fire............maybe someone who is interested will build one and buy an engine. I seem to run out of time to put the car together.

Mark Yacavone 09-12-2010 02:27 PM

Re: Good Combos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by greg fulk (Post 209829)
I have a few combos I think can (for now) run (read Qualify with) the Cobra Jets/Drag Packs. ( I'm talking stock or SS) 1) how about an 80 Monza 151 with a 2bbl W/S? 2) how about a 97 "T" bird 4.6L SS/PA 3) 74 Nova L/SA? 4) 78 Camaro U/SA? then my fav 5) 352 SS GT??????

4) The idea of the Camaro body with a different, untried class combo is appealing to me, but the Firebird body is a better way to good. Many more possible engine combinations.

Mike Galuk 09-12-2010 03:57 PM

Re: Good Combos
 
Mark, the reason he likes the Camaro is because he has one sitting in the garage and with a little work it will be on the track as a Stocker. Mike

Mike Galuk
JOE COOL RACING
M/SA-2000

greg fulk 09-12-2010 08:36 PM

Re: Good Combos
 
Hey Billy look @ the Nova combo again....I had it listed wrong

stage1scott 09-12-2010 10:29 PM

Re: Good Combos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptCobrajet (Post 209925)
I assume he means 352 FE Ford. It is a really attractive combo. I did one last year that turned out really good. It can be done for less money than a 350 Chevy and is just perfect for a Fox-body Mustang in the GT classes. If a guy wants to run Super Stock, a Fox-body with a 352 is the LEAST expensive way to go really fast, and it is a Ford, not a small block Chevy. I borrowed some technology from my Cobra Jet program, made some changes, and it came out really good. BTW, this is the OLD 352 from 1964, not the new one.

ok so-forgive my ongoing ignorance as I have never taken the time to fully understand the entire GT-MX-SS-(B,C etc) S division of classes.
however-my 67 Fairlane could be set up with said 352, and would only have to make minimum weight of 2670 with this combo (doubt it could get that light, just sayin) to fit in GT/GA . CUrrently a 977 record set at Atco, in a cobalt/cavalier, I think. index of 10.90. said mustang in example would weigh the same (except I have a caged fairlane). Capt CJ, how much power does said 352 have to make to run 9.60s at 2670 lbs in a mustang or whatever?

X-TECH MAN 09-13-2010 07:02 AM

Re: Good Combos
 
Any new Blown Mustang or unblown combo and dont forget the Dodge DP's.

Billy Nees 09-13-2010 08:02 AM

Re: Good Combos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by greg fulk (Post 210108)
Hey Billy look @ the Nova combo again....I had it listed wrong

That car has to weigh 3900#!

Owen S Quirion 09-13-2010 08:02 AM

Re: Good Combos
 
I like the PT Cruiser where you can run a 230HP combo and claim 180. Can't go wrong there. At 28% underfactored, that means it will take 9 hits of 3.25 % to get it to the advertised HP, another 9 to get it to the right number. Could take years to reel this one in.

Billy Nees 09-13-2010 08:04 AM

Re: Good Combos
 
I think I'll stick to my orphans and dime rockets.

CaptCobrajet 09-13-2010 12:18 PM

Re: Good Combos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stage1scott (Post 210144)
ok so-forgive my ongoing ignorance as I have never taken the time to fully understand the entire GT-MX-SS-(B,C etc) S division of classes.
however-my 67 Fairlane could be set up with said 352, and would only have to make minimum weight of 2670 with this combo (doubt it could get that light, just sayin) to fit in GT/GA . CUrrently a 977 record set at Atco, in a cobalt/cavalier, I think. index of 10.90. said mustang in example would weigh the same (except I have a caged fairlane). Capt CJ, how much power does said 352 have to make to run 9.60s at 2670 lbs in a mustang or whatever?

Scott, you would have to use the shipping weight of your Fairlane and divide by 244 to find the "natural" class for GT. Then whatever class it falls in, go to the bottom. In a '67 Fairlane HT, 3317 divided by 244 gets you to 13.59, so you go to 13.5 x 249(al head) to get 3361 plus 170 for driver. You would weigh 3530 in GT/LA, or you could move up a class and weigh 3407 in GT/KA. The weight is based on the shipping weight of the body you use. That's why I said the Fox-body was good because it can get really light. Your deal really doesn't look too bad for GT. The engine makes a fair amount more power than a 390 Stocker engine. The weights and indexes are close for F/SA with a 390 and GT/MA with a 352. You could always remove up to 250 lbs from shipping weight and go the other way.............................
A Fox Mustang can weigh 2780 in GT/FA. It does make enough power to run numbers like you suggest, but not in a Fairlane.

Jim Caughlin 09-13-2010 12:31 PM

Re: Good Combos
 
John,

Have you ever seen an FE motor in fox chassis, not a pretty sight. I'm a header builder and I would not envy the poor guy who would have to attempt that project. Fairlanes look cooler anyway....

Jim Caughlin

mtkawboy 09-13-2010 12:55 PM

Re: Good Combos
 
They dont exactly slip on a Fairlane FE in 10 minutes either

Jim Caughlin 09-13-2010 01:09 PM

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You are correct about the Fairlane FE motor fit. 'Slip Fit' is the correct term, you simply smear grease on the shock towers and 'slip' it in. The trick is finding someone with long skinny fingers to start the header bolts.

Jim

Dave Turner 09-13-2010 10:27 PM

Re: Good Combos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 210301)
You are correct about the Fairlane FE motor fit. 'Slip Fit' is the correct term, you simply smear grease on the shock towers and 'slip' it in. The trick is finding someone with long skinny fingers to start the header bolts.

Jim

I have long skinny everything Jim and I've done the FE header bolt job many times!!...LOL


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