A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

Would you have a problem if NHRA put the new cars in a FX class with at least resonable indexes.

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

I would have to wonder why for the last 10 years my old car 69 440-6 suffered behind the bowties and blue ovals, and my new car is faster by the same amount than my old car was slower, and now everybody wants vengance. Where was the concern over the last 10 years. I guess it's ok for me to be slow, but not to be fast. What am I missing here. I guess it's ok for the specs on my old car to be out of date, but it's not ok for the new cars.

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Did you run the same 440 6-pack that came in the 1970 GTX?

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Jeff, you Nut,
Don't you know that only the guys that "researched the rulebook" to come up with a "killer" combination are permitted to go fast. There must be some unwritten stock eliminator code some where that says that. Or maybe it should say, "only applies to a class that only some special individuals participate in.
Old and fast sounds good to me.
See you Thursday,
Wayne Kerr

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

I don't believe you were being out run in your old car by a combination(s) that are 1.30-1.40-1.50-1.60-1.70-1.80 or more under the index. The new Ford/Dodge combinations do not impress.

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

Jeff, is this the same 440/6 pack that Mr. Wann ran in his GTX, if so then may be you need to look at your car or engine builder because if i remember seeing some Q-sheets a few years ago he didn't lose many heads ups and was always a top qualifier.

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You read my mind Ruler. There is one over here in Division 1 rated at 417 or something like that, which I believe is pretty high for that combo and he has put up some extremely competitive numbers now and then over the last few years. (I don't know if its the same combo though.)

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

He's right Jeff. If you had used the west coast rulebook you could have been fast all along. Now that you're using the west coast class guide everyone has their panties in a wad.

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Maybe this can answer the question why MR Teuton GTX or road runner was slow. BOISE, Idaho - Final order after 6 rounds of qualifying in Stock Eliminator at the NHRA Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series, Northwest Division, 34th annual Napa Auto Parts Ignitor at Firebird Raceway:

Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 7980 B/SA Steve Wann, Modesto CA, '70 GTX 10.358 11.93 -1.572

I wonder what that car would have run like at Bella Rose?

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

The '70 GTX / Roadrunner has the small "air grabber" hood scoop (the one that pops up).
The '69 Roadrunner gets the fiberglass hood with a big ole honkin' scoop.

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

The 69 440-6 has numerous differences from the 70 440-6. Flat top pistons with no valve relief but then again its not 411 hp either. The 69 is 395. This is still a combo that has potential to perform very well. probably a good 10.50 C car. Too bad it probably could not run with the 5.9 drag pak at 284hp

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

The 70 has more compression.

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

NOT MUCH piston to valve clearance on 69 due to flat tops without valve relief. It would not accept a camshaft as aggressive when I ran the combo in mid 70's

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I am a Chevy guy but -

I think Jeff Teuton knows what he is doing and I think his point is well taken

Finally he has a combo that is very fast

I doubt his "stuff" was ever slow do to lack of effort or money

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A FEW YEARS AGO THE 70 WAS AT 405 THAN 411 NOW AT 417 HP, don't even think about HIDING OUT IN C/SA min. wt. 3920, that's why the combo is no longer competitive.

Jeff the BIG hole in the hood isn't worth all that much, but I do like the plastic hood on the 691/2 for weight off the nose.

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

The point of the question is that the newer cars are all out of whack to the playing field of the older cars and what can be done to correct the situtation. NHRA should have put at least 100 hp to all the new combo's (DP's and CJ's) and let them loose HP as they fit into classes to be competitive. The way that they are introduced to the playing field is so out of line, that it is an embarrasment to NHRA to let it go on. I was at Indy watching the older cars that used to be competitive fall to the way side as the newer cars just ate up all the quailifing positions. Cars that where .6 and .7 under, which used to be almost 1. under, couldn't even see the top of the quailifing sheets. It was a total mockery of the HP system and a fair playing field.
Just an observer of what went on at Indy, for the racer it was a $320 entry fee to watch your combo got to the crapper!

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

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The 6.1 hemi has been running in the NHRA the longest of the Challengers. At Indy the fastest 6.1 pass was 9.98 in A/AS by Doug Duell. That is 1.02 under the index, does this warrent it being put into a FX class? I am the point in my build where I can switch to a 5.7 at almost zero extra cost, but I am still going to build the 6.1. I want to compete in A, I would try to go to AA but I can not compete against a blown Mustang.

It appears to me that the AHFS is catching up with the 6.1 Challenger (not fast enough for some, but it is getting there).

Just my $.02
Larry

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

This is what warrants the placement of it into a FX class (in addition to internal things).

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/att...e-p1010078.jpg

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

Do ya suppose that Doug was 1) short shifting 2) running heavy 3) "Dumping" before the finish line 4) running it detuned 5) or with the A/C turned on or all of the above????? LOL

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

This post started with someone asking if anyone had a problem with FX classes and Jeff Teuton responding to the effect of 'what's wrong with my being a half second faster than the fastest G car on the planet when I used to be down a half second to the rest of the C cars'. I was simply trying to gather information on his combination because based on the few guys running a 440-6pack in the GTX against the normal cars, I would think that Jeff forgot a plug wire or two. But, it appears that I am incorrect and it is a different combination.

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The 69 was different, the fastest I went was 10.60 in Gainesville, and 10.65 in Houston. I could not get in at Indy with that car. Mike, didn't mean to sidetrack your posting. After hearing nothing but bull since I debuted the car at the Cajuns, it just gets a little old. I don't think I'm a bad guy, but then I have been really wrong on several issues. Personally I would like to go heads up racing again like top stock. I think you might look for shoot outs of the new mopars via Mopar Performance or some local Mopar events and organizations. Then again I might be a bad guy. My wife has thoughts on that.

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We are on page three and still not one person answered the question. Well Jeff kind of but not really. I get the impression from his post that his answer is NO.

It would be really cool if one of these threads ever actually stayed on topic.

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

The topic of these threads has been beaten, burned, buried, dug up, eaten, digested and ***** out.
Yes, there are things that could be done to improve the situation.
NHRA believes the AHFS works and is unlikely to make any knee jerk reactions.


See you at the races,
Wayne Kerr

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I thought I answered the question when I said I want to run in A stock. To clearify, NO.

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Part of the Drag Pak #40 team...NO

Edit....Yes

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

"original question"
(Would you have a problem if NHRA put the new cars in a FX class with at least resonable indexes.)


Drag Pak #064


Yes!

Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only
 

Because it's easier them to gain an advantage by whining and crying than it is to go to work or build a new car.