What horsepower?
 

A lot of people here have an opinion about the new cars.
How about posting what You think they should be?
And use your name. Nobodies are not entitled to an opinion.

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CJ Supercharged 550hp - Same rating as that engine in the real production car.

Drag Pack 525hp - Rating found on the hemi crate engine.

The other crate engines I will have to think about.

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Artie - Not a bad idea but there are a lot of folks who won't put their thoughts in print along with their real names .....................

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http://jalopnik.com/5637861/2011-she...ow-with-800-hp

New Shelby 2011 Mustang is braging about 800 hp


2011 Shelby GT500 Super Snake: Now With 800 HP
The 2010 Shelby GT500 Super Snake made a slightly outrageous 750 hp. For 2011, Shelby's offering an 800-hp option. C'mon, when there's an 800-hp option is there really any option at all? You gotta check that box.
Most of the 2011 Shelby GT500 upgrades are what they offered last year, including an upgraded supercharger kit, stronger brakes, short-throw shifter, a trunk full of Ford Racing suspension parts. They're not yet saying how they're getting from 750-to-800 hp, nor are they saying how much more it'll be than the $30K 750-hp version.
Most of the 2011 Shelby GT500 upgrades are what they offered last year, including an upgraded supercharger kit, stronger brakes, short-throw shifter, a trunk full of Ford Racing suspension parts. They're not yet saying how they're getting from 750-to-800 hp, nor are they saying how much more it'll be than the $30K 750-hp version.

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The point of the question is that the newer cars are all out of whack to the playing field of the older cars and what can be done to correct the situtation. NHRA should have put at least 100 hp to all the new combo's (DP's and CJ's) and let them loose HP as they fit into classes to be competitive. The way that they are introduced to the playing field is so out of line, that it is an embarrasment to NHRA to let it go on. I was at Indy watching the older cars that used to be competitive fall to the way side as the newer cars just ate up all the quailifing positions. Cars that where .6 and .7 under, which used to be almost 1. under, couldn't even see the top of the quailifing sheets. It was a total mockery of the HP system and a fair playing field.
Just an observer of what went on at Indy, for the racer it was a $320 entry fee to watch your combo got to the crapper!

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

Art: I'm quoting myself from another thread.

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If you don't have a name you should not have an opinion.
I'm quite a ***** stirrer but everyone knows it's me.

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Dear Mr. Stirrer,
IMHO the CJ's should be NHRA rated at 600 hp and the DP at 425. The actual hp #'s for some of the CJ's in SS are around 950 while the actual hp for the DP's is around 550.
Our .02
Mike Meints SS/BA
Mary Meints F/SA

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Good Stockers make 150 more than the factor.
Good Super Stockers make Double the factor.

These are Good rules of thumb, not Killer --- Good.

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Just give me a 250 shot of NOS .
That will make everyone HAPPY.

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Art, here are mine.

Chrysler: 6.1 hemi 425
5.7 hemi 400
5.9 wedge 350

Ford 5.4 SS motor 550
5.4 for stock and super stock 500
428 c.i. 425
352 c.i. 375
4.6 300

There may be a couple of more. I think all of these would be fast at these ratings but would be more in line with reality.

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Greg seems to have a good idea, but the 5.7 hemi may need a little more

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Only 2 or 3 legitimate ideas.
With at least 60 people gripeing about them you would think there would be a lot more.
This is the exact reason NHRA shouldn't do anything drastic.

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actually Art, NHRA owes it to its members to at least be intellectually honest with us. That's why I like the FX idea. They get to sort themselves out, with out NHRA just adding an arbitrary number. They can also still sit on top of the qualifying sheet and get all the publicity they do now. But apparently some that have these cars, bought them for the sole purpose of beating up on the traditional combos, and don't like that idea. The fact that alot of us can't guess at a hp rating is not an excuse for NHRA not to do anything.

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How are you coming to that conclusion and number? You are taking a small sample on one website on the internet. How many were complaining about the LT1's on the internet when they came out? I bet it was less than 60. So, putting them in the FIA class (their own) was too drastic even more so then than now based on your logic.

The FIA class was the correct move.

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Art,

Your post is a bit mixed and rereading it I am getting a second message that you think there should be more solutions based on the number of people complaining. Is that right?

Why do there have to be more solutions when the obvious one is the easiest to implement and makes the most sense, the FX classes. I feel the opposite of you in that based on the number of people complaining and there seems to be a universal acceptance of that solution. Then it might actually be the right solution.

You also have the message that says that is too drastic or it appears that is what you are saying. So I go back to my prior post.

Don

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Is there something that NHRA can do on the computer side of things? Maybe a spec computer supplier with a fixed set-up..spec a certain version of the software that must be present?

In the barn the Tech guy can hook up a lap top and check the version of the software and that the specs are correct. it would be easy for NHRA to have a software that would scan to see if it has been tampered with.

I know Nascar is fighting with how to make Fuel injection practical but even for all players in the game...

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that would be equivalent to mandating what jet size and timing you can run in a carbureted car.

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Just trying to help.... no one else it giving reasonable suggestions

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Factory Experimental classes and the FIA classes are not reasonable? The both of them worked.

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You answer your own question with the word Worked, not works.
It was tried and the reason they dropped them was they didn't work. If they Worked they would still have them. You mention IHRA has them, they also have crate motor, and pure stock, Etc. And look at the car counts?
We have enough classes already.

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The reason the FI classes were merged back in is because the HP rating disparity had been reduced to a survivable level. Sure, they wanted to reduce the number of classes, but it had become reasonable to do so as well.

They did work. The fact that the FI cars eventually fell in line close to the rest is a testament to that.

I've been a fan of and an advocate for reducing the number of classes, at least in Stock, but the new cars have shown that there is a need for classes for "factory specials" or whatever you want to call the bogus combinations with absurd factors.

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That is pure bunk. You are parsing words. The FI classes were implemented, they worked, and then the cars were brought back into the traditional classes. The FI classes served their purpose just like the FX classes can until the AHFS catches up and it will work for the upcoming motors that Ford has in the wings. The NHRA doesn't have Crate Motor classes, but they are allowing crate motors from Ford and Chrysler.

So what about the car counts. That has nothing to do with how many classes the IHRA has or doesn't have. It has to do with it is the IHRA and the NHRA has always been a bigger draw.

You have every right in the world to voice your opinion and I respect that. But it is no skin off your nose how the NHRA handles this one way or another. It is skin off my nose and it does affect me directly since I have to run these factory race cars heads up where you don't.

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This is going to take some time to fix. This is no different than when Pontiac was the sponsor and the EFI Camaros and Firebirds were absolutely killing the fast "old school" cars. We have to hope that through this year's class racing the "egos" will get the best of the HP factor and these guys will race each other and factor themselves. We can never replace the technological advancements that will always keep our old cars behind, but we can continue to work on them to make them faster. I can't wait to see how fast they will be when some guys actually take them apart and "blueprint" all the detail work. The downfall of the Cobra jet is that if you go to the barn for a teardown, the majority of racers are out simply because they can't get it back together in the short time that follows teardowns that go until 9:00 pm. I know how fast Brian Phillips Firebird is and that poor guy got smoked at Indy. Not only can he make horsepower but also hit the tree. On top of all that, he is a great guy. All of us old school guys just need to keep working and hide your results a little.

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There is a hugh difference between the GM, EFI cars of the 90's and what we have now, can we say 12.5 to 1 comp in some, not for sale for street use, under rated by as much as 100HP, just to start with. The GM EFI cars didn't roll of the line and Qualify #1 without first doing a stock elim. engine build/ blue print, and at the time they came out they may have been under rated 20 to 30Hp, at most. The reason there rated where they are now is from 15 years of R&D. this current crop of crate engine / factory race cars are running this good with very little R&D in most cases, sure there are a few that have worked on them, there are some that are straight from the dealer they were delivered to and are running a second under or more on these new indexes. So when somebody compares the two they just don't know or understand what is happening!!!!

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Ruler, your on the money. Couldn't said it better myself!
Ernie Neal