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JSLRacing 09-21-2010 11:46 AM

Classes
 
Can someone please create a sticky with the factors/indexes and classes for those that don't have a rule book..

I would love it if it covered IHRA as well as NHRA..

It would save me from asking all the time.

Mike Carr 09-21-2010 12:27 PM

Re: Classes
 
IHRA Super Stock Indexes
http://www.ihra.com/downloads/pdf/co...ss_indexes.pdf

IHRA Stock Indexes
http://www.ihra.com/downloads/pdf/co...ck_indexes.pdf

NHRA Super Stock Indexes
http://www.nhra.net/stats/indexes_ss.html

NHRA Stock Indexes
http://www.nhra.com/competition/classindexs.aspx

I will work on the weight breaks here soon. Ken, you can modify and stick this, if you wish.

JSLRacing 09-21-2010 12:31 PM

Re: Classes
 
The problem I have is not knowing what factors go with which class..

If it comes out to 19.32 ( for instance).. there isn't a place other than the rulebook to find out what index to run.

Mike Carr 09-21-2010 12:58 PM

Re: Classes
 
NHRA Super Stock (IHRA are the same for these)
SS/AH 6.00 (only 1968 Hemi Cudas and Darts in this class in NHRA; sticks and autos run together)
SS/A 6.00-6.49
SS/B 6.50-6.99
SS/C 7.00-7.49
SS/D 7.50-7.99
SS/E 8.00-8.49
SS/F 8.50-8.99
SS/G 9.00-9.49
SS/H 9.50-9.99
SS/I 10.00-10.99
SS/J 11.00-11.99
SS/K 12.00-12.99
SS/L 13.00-13.99
SS/M 14.00-14.99
SS/N 15.00-15.99
SS/O 16.00-16.99
SS/P 17.00 and more

NHRA SS/GT (IHRA are the same for these)
GT/A 8.00-8.49
GT/B 8.50-8.99
GT/C 9.00-9.49
GT/D 9.50-9.99
GT/E 10.00-10.49
GT/F 10.50-10.99
GT/G 11.00-11.49
GT/H 11.50-11.99
GT/I 12.00-12.49
GT/J 12.50-12.99
GT/K 13.00-13.49
GT/L 13.50-13.99
GT/M 14.00 and more

NHRA GT Truck (IHRA are the same)
GT/TA 9.50-10.49
GT/TB 10.50-11.49
GT/TC 11.50-12.49
GT/TD 12.50 and more

SS/Modified Stock (IHRA only goes to SS/DS)
SS/AS 8.50-9.49 pounds per cid
SS/BS 9.50-10.49
SS/CS 10.50 or more
SS/DS 12 pounds or more; V6 only
SS/ES 15.50 or more, 4 cyl only, max 165 cid
SS/FS 16.50 or more, 155 cid max
SS/GS 18 pounds or more; 4 cly, FWD only, max 230 cid

SS/Modified Truck (IHRA are the same)
Four clases
SS/TA through SS/TD weight breaks mirror SS/AS through SS/DS

Super Stock Modified (IHRA are the same)
SS/AM 7.50-8.49 pounds per cid
SS/BM 8.50-9.49
SS/CM 9.50-10.49
SS/DM 10.50-11.49
SS/EM 11.50-12.49
SS/FM 12.50-13.49
SS/GM 10.50 or more pounds; non-supercharged inline 4 or 6 cylinder and straight 8
11.00 or more pounds, non-supercharged American factory controlled V6

Super Stock Modified X (IHRA are the same)
No V8's allowed in SS/MX
SS/AX 8.50-10.99 pounds per cid
SS/BX 11.00-12.49
SS/CX 12.50 or more
SS/DX 15.00 pounds or more; two turbochargers or OEM supercharger

NHRA Stock Eliminator (IHRA is the same, except where noted)
AA/S 7.50-7.99 (IHRA is 7.00-7.99)
A/S 8.00-8.49
B/S 8.50-8.99
C/S 9.00-9.49
D/S 9.50-9.99
E/S 10.00-10.49
F/S 10.50-10.99
G/S 11.00-11.49
H/S 11.50-11.99
I/S 12.00-12.49
J/S 12.50-12.99
K/S 13.00-13.49
L/S 13.50-13.99
M/S 14.00-14.49
N/S 14.50-14.99
O/S 15.00-15.99
P/S 16.00-16.00
Q/S 17.00-17.99
R/S 18.00-18.99
T/S 19.00-19.99
U/S 20.00 or more (IHRA 20.00-21.99)
V/S 22.00 or more
W/S 24.00 or more

AF/S 13.00-15.99
BF/S 16.00-17.49
CF/S 17.50-18.99
DF/S 19.00-24.99
EF/S 25.oo or more
(sticks and autos run together' stickshift carries a 100 pound penalty in NHRA FWD Stock)

JSLRacing 09-21-2010 01:01 PM

Re: Classes
 
That is exactly what I needed.. thank you very much!!!!

D.Heerdt 09-21-2010 01:11 PM

Re: Classes
 
great info mike. thanks for the post. this should be sticky'd , for us new guys lookin to get involved.

JSLRacing 09-21-2010 01:21 PM

Re: Classes
 
Just pull out the extra stuff and just sticky the info Mike posted

Mike Carr 09-21-2010 01:43 PM

Re: Classes
 
NHRA and IHRA Stock and Super Stock weight breaks

-All classes, except where noted, have separate Stick and Automatic Classes. Some classes offer a weight break to the automatic, 5% or 250 pounds, whichever is LESS. Check the Rulebook for your class and sanctioning body
-All cars are pounds per NHRA/IHRA-rated horsepower, or factory rated horsepower, unless noted
-All cars can move weight to go up or down a class from their natural class.
-Example, a car with a weight break that fits it into F/SA naturally, can also run E/SA and G/SA


NHRA Super Stock (IHRA are the same for these)

SS/AH 6.00 (NHRA, only 1968 Hemi Barracudas and Darts can run this class, and is their only class. Sticks and autos run together)
SS/A 6.00-6.49
SS/B 6.50-6.99
SS/C 7.00-7.49
SS/D 7.50-7.99
SS/E 8.00-8.49
SS/F 8.50-8.99
SS/G 9.00-9.49
SS/H 9.50-9.99
SS/I 10.00-10.99
SS/J 11.00-11.99
SS/K 12.00-12.99
SS/L 13.00-13.99
SS/M 14.00-14.99
SS/N 15.00-15.99
SS/O 16.00-16.99
SS/P 17.00 and more

NHRA SS/GT (IHRA are the same for these)
GT/A 8.00-8.49
GT/B 8.50-8.99
GT/C 9.00-9.49
GT/D 9.50-9.99
GT/E 10.00-10.49
GT/F 10.50-10.99
GT/G 11.00-11.49
GT/H 11.50-11.99
GT/I 12.00-12.49
GT/J 12.50-12.99
GT/K 13.00-13.49
GT/L 13.50-13.99
GT/M 14.00 and more

NHRA GT Truck (IHRA are the same)
Sticks and autos run together
GT/TA 9.50-10.49
GT/TB 10.50-11.49
GT/TC 11.50-12.49
GT/TD 12.50 and more

SS/Modified Stock (IHRA only goes to SS/DS)
Sticks and Autos run together
SS/AS 8.50-9.49 pounds per cid
SS/BS 9.50-10.49
SS/CS 10.50 or more
SS/DS 12 pounds or more; V6 only
SS/ES 15.50 or more, 4 cyl only, max 165 cid
SS/FS 16.50 or more, 155 cid max
SS/GS 18 pounds or more; 4 cly, FWD only, max 230 cid

SS/Modified Truck (IHRA are the same)
Four clases; sticks and autos run together
SS/TA through SS/TD weight breaks mirror SS/AS through SS/DS

Super Stock Modified (IHRA are the same)
Sticks and Autos run together
SS/AM 7.50-8.49 pounds per cid
SS/BM 8.50-9.49
SS/CM 9.50-10.49
SS/DM 10.50-11.49
SS/EM 11.50-12.49
SS/FM 12.50-13.49
SS/GM 10.50 or more pounds; non-supercharged inline 4 or 6 cylinder and straight 8
11.00 or more pounds, non-supercharged American factory controlled V6

Super Stock Modified X (IHRA are the same)
No V8's allowed in SS/MX; sticks and autos together
SS/AX 8.50-10.99 pounds per cid
SS/BX 11.00-12.49
SS/CX 12.50 or more
SS/DX 15.00 pounds or more; two turbochargers or OEM supercharger

NHRA Stock Eliminator (IHRA is the same, except where noted)
AA/S 7.50-7.99 (IHRA is 7.00-7.99)
A/S 8.00-8.49
B/S 8.50-8.99
C/S 9.00-9.49
D/S 9.50-9.99
E/S 10.00-10.49
F/S 10.50-10.99
G/S 11.00-11.49
H/S 11.50-11.99
I/S 12.00-12.49
J/S 12.50-12.99
K/S 13.00-13.49
L/S 13.50-13.99
M/S 14.00-14.49
N/S 14.50-14.99
O/S 15.00-15.99
P/S 16.00-16.00
Q/S 17.00-17.99
R/S 18.00-18.99
T/S 19.00-19.99
U/S 20.00 or more (IHRA 20.00-21.99)
V/S 22.00 or more (NHRA, only 4 and 6 cylinder eligible for V)
W/S 24.00 or more (NHRA, only 4 cylinders eligible for W)

AF/S 13.00-15.99
BF/S 16.00-17.49
CF/S 17.50-18.99
DF/S 19.00-24.99
EF/S 25.oo or more
(sticks and autos run together; stick shift carries a 100 pound penalty in NHRA FWD Stock)

IHRA Weight breaks, for IHRA-only Classes
Super Stock Production (either a single 4 bbl or single 2 bbl carb is permitted)
SS/PA 7.00-7.49 pounds per cid
SS/PB 7.50-7.99
SS/PC 8.00-8.49
SS/PD 8.50-8.99
SS/PE 9.00-9.49
SS/PF 9.50-9.99
SS/PG 10.00-10.99
SS/PH 11.00-11.99
SS/PI 12.00-12.99
SS/PJ 13.00 or more

SS/Modified Compact
Sticks and autos run together
SS/AC 15.00-16.49 pounds per cid; includes rotary engines
SS/BC16.50 or more
SS/CC 18.50 or more; American production front engine
SS/DC 15.00-17.99; 4 or 6 cylinder FWD
SS/EC 18.00 or more; 4 cyl FWD only
SS/FC 4 cyl, 165 cid or less; 2400 pounds auto, 2500 pounds stick

SS/Fuel Injected Modified
Sticks and Autos run together
SS/AFI 7.50-8.49 pounds per cid
SS/BFI 8.50-9.49
SS/CFI 9.50-10.49

Stock FWD
Sticks and autos have their own classes in IHRA
AF/S 13.00-15.99
BF/S 16.00-16.99
CF/S 17.00-17.99
DF/S 18.00-18.99
EF/S 19.00-19.99
FF/S 20.00-23.49
GF/S 23.50-27.49
HF/S 27.50 or more

Stock FI
AA/FI 7.50-7.99 Only 2008 and newer factory muscle cars are eligible.
A/FI 8.00-8.99
B/FI 9.00-9.99
C/FI 10.00-10.99
DF/I 11.00-11.99
EF/I 12.00-12.99
FF/I 13.00-13.99
G/FI 14.00-14.99
H/FI 15.00-15.99
I/FI 16.00-17.99
J/FI 18.00-19.99
K/FI 20.00-21.99
L/FI 22.00-23.99
M/FI 24.00

Stock Trucks
1980 and newer, 1/2 ton or mini trucks only. Four wheel drive combinations prohibited. Class A and B restricted to all wheel drive. Classes C through J restricted to two wheel drive. Class J restricted to 4 cylinders only. Kind of sounds like two different things--no 4 wheel drives, but the class is restricted to all wheel drive?? It's in the rulebook.
AT/S 12.00-12.99
BT/S 13.00-13.99
CT/S 12.00-12.99
DT/S 13.00-13.99
ET/S 14.00-14.99
FT/S 15.00-15.99
GT/S 16.00-17.99
HT/S 18.00 or more
IT/S 20.00-21.99
JT/S 22.00 or more

Stock GT
1980 and newer cars, with engines from 1955-1979; sticks and auto's run together
S/GTA 8.00-8.99
S/GTB 9.00-9.99
S/GTC 10.00-10.99
S/GTD 11.00-11.99
S/GTE 12.00-12.99
S/GTF 13.00-13.99
S/GTG 14.00 or more

Pure Stock
No supercharged or turbocharged cars permitted; sticks and autos run together
A/PS 8.00-8.99
B/PS 9.00-9.99
C/PS 10.00-10.99
D/PS 11.00-11.99
E/PS 12.00-12.99
F/PS 13.00-13.99
G/PS 14.00-14.99
H/PS 15.00-15.99
I/PS 16.00-16.99

Stock Crate Motor
1955 and newer cars and 1/2 ton trucks; sticks and autos run together
A/CM 6.00-6.49
B/CM 6.50-6.99
C/CM 7.00-7.49
D/CM 7.50-7.99
E/CM 8.00-8.49
F/CM 8.50-8.99
G/CM 9.00-9.49
H/CM 9.50-9.99
I/CM 10.00-10.49
J/CM 10.50-10.99
K/CM 11.00-11.49
L/CM 11.50-11.99
M/CM 12.00-12.49

A/FCM 9.00-9.99
B/FCM 10.00-10.99
C/FCM 11.00-11.99

Mike Carr 09-21-2010 01:45 PM

Re: Classes
 
Kenny, if you wish to start a new thread and stick this, I will combine all my posts into one, so it's easier.

X-TECH MAN 09-21-2010 02:53 PM

Re: Classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Carr (Post 212160)
Kenny, if you wish to start a new thread and stick this, I will combine all my posts into one, so it's easier.

I think that would be a good idea Mike. Hope Ken does this. Thanks.

Robert Swartz 09-21-2010 05:08 PM

Re: Classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Carr (Post 212158)
NHRA and IHRA Stock and Super Stock weight breaks


A/FCM 9.00-9.99
B/FCM 10.00-10.99
C/FCM 11.00-11.99

Dumba%^ moment here. I've seen these classes listed in the IHRA rulebook. What is the difference between these and the regular CM classes? Are these fuel injected crate motors or what?

Robert Swartz

X-TECH MAN 09-21-2010 05:10 PM

Re: Classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Swartz (Post 212222)
Dumba%^ moment here. I've seen these classes listed in the IHRA rulebook. What is the difference between these and the regular CM classes? Are these fuel injected crate motors or what?

Robert Swartz

No...These are FWD conversions with an accepted crate engine similar to SS/GT rules except use smaller tires and suspensions more in line with stock. It wasnt one of my better ideas.....lol. Very few were ever built.

Robert Swartz 09-21-2010 05:20 PM

Re: Classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 212223)
No...These are FWD conversions with an accepted crate engine similar to SS/GT rules except use smaller tires and suspensions more in line with stock. It wasnt one of my better ideas.....lol. Very few were ever built.

Terry,

Thank you for the clarification. I knew that front wheel drive conversions were allowed in CM. Didn't know they were classed differently. Now I understand. Similar to Stock GT, these could be mini-tubbed and allowed a "modified" rear suspension, ladder bars, no four links, LOL! I wager they would be expensive to build and other than bracket racing, no cross over possibilities.

That's the difference with a conventional CM car. I have some options, could build an NHRA motor in the future.

Sorry to the original poster for hi-jacking the thread.

Robert Swartz

X-TECH MAN 09-21-2010 05:52 PM

Re: Classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Swartz (Post 212226)
Terry,

Thank you for the clarification. I knew that front wheel drive conversions were allowed in CM. Didn't know they were classed differently. Now I understand. Similar to Stock GT, these could be mini-tubbed and allowed a "modified" rear suspension, ladder bars, no four links, LOL! I wager they would be expensive to build and other than bracket racing, no cross over possibilities.

That's the difference with a conventional CM car. I have some options, could build an NHRA motor in the future.

Sorry to the original poster for hi-jacking the thread.

Robert Swartz

The engines allowed are SMALL BLOCKS only. NO big blocks.

Mike Carr 09-21-2010 07:01 PM

Re: Classes
 
http://classracer.com/classes.html

Located in the Site Navigation section on here.

X-TECH MAN 09-21-2010 07:57 PM

Re: Classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Carr (Post 212254)
http://classracer.com/classes.html

Located in the Site Navigation section on here.

Thanks Mike and Class Racer....I hope this helps those racers who are interested in the differences between the two associations.

JSLRacing 09-21-2010 08:07 PM

Re: Classes
 
that is great... getting information to the racers is the best way to get them started..

art leong 09-21-2010 08:31 PM

Re: Classes
 
Great Job Mike. But you need to add SS/EX 11.5 per cu/in, FWD,N/A, Methanol

Sean Kennedy 09-21-2010 09:27 PM

Re: Classes
 
Mike you may wish to add a note on your weight break post that V is restricted to 4 and 6 cylidner only cars, W is 4 cylinder only.

JSLR, basically what that means is in NHRA if the car is an 8 cylinder car above 20, it will have to run in U even if the NHRA rating is let's say 23.25.

Mike Carr 09-21-2010 09:59 PM

Re: Classes
 
Oops. I had mentioned that in post #8 in this thread but hadn't wrote it in the maser copy that I sent Ken. I will rectify it.

art leong 09-21-2010 11:16 PM

Re: Classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 212284)
Great Job Mike. But you need to add SS/EX 11.5 per cu/in, FWD,N/A, Methanol

Mike this is an NHRA class. Not a Joke. Scott Kelly runs a car in it

Mike Carr 09-21-2010 11:20 PM

Re: Classes
 
I know, the really cool Scion boxy car. Pretty quick, too. I sent the updatd list to Ken to post, with the SS/EX class and the U/SA V/SA NHRA notes.

John Kelley 09-22-2010 01:00 AM

Re: Classes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 212326)
Mike this is an NHRA class. Not a Joke. Scott Kelly runs a car in it

That is Scott KELLEY ! :-)


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