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I am looking at the cover of my National Dragster and can't help but think.. How in God's name is that Hoover vacuum cleaner coming out of that hood scoop legal? Looks like they beheaded Snuffaluffagus. Truly putting the BS in SS/BS

HOOD (Modified Stock)
Mandatory. Fiberglass permitted. Carburetor must be completely
covered by hood, bubble, or scoop, which must be part of car hood.
Hood latches, hinges, springs, and brackets may be removed.
Maximum of 5-inch hood scoop (hood to top of opening) with one
opening permitted. Tilt or removable front ends prohibited. See
General Regulations 7:6.

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wow! i thought i was the only one who noticed.....
Jonathan Womack
ss/bs 4457

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We have the rule book which Div. 1,2, 3, 4, & 5 has to play by. Then we have the West Coast Rulebook which is a lot better. But the BEST rulebook is the "California Car Cover" rulebook.

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Might be another case of the west coast rule book?

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I haven't seen it but I would have to say shhhhh it's the west coast rule..

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Buy a Cobrajet load it up and move to Ca. All of your problems will be solved.
And quit whining.

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But I'm still proud to run to true super stock car.

I'm a math teacher, I'm around whining all day maybe I picked up some bad habits. Once in a while I still whine about my poor father getting screwed out of his first and only win (1989 Super Stock Nationals at Maple Grove) because of his wheelbase being too short by a quarter of an inch. The win went to the runner up guy who's name I won't disclose who was using illegal electronics at the time. This sport has always been political but it's more addicting than any damn drug out there so we don't stop playing it.

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Guarantee???? Really? Tell you what-I bet we could get enough people together to loan you the money. But how about if you don't win on your "guarantee", you pay back the entire loan PLUS $20,000 in interest and penalty since it's so easy in one of those cars....

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You're on brother! $20,000 interest? I guess that's accurate though considering I can barely get student loans for grad school in this tight economy. Can't we go through a credit union? Don't let my Joe Namath prediction that has no shot of coming true take away from my original post.. I'll save that for another thread.. get your checkbook out!

Rules are being broken Mark.

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Mark, I am in for $100 at least and I am sure that Lee would be interested and next week at Atco I am sure that people would be throwing money hand over fist to get in. We could have him in the car for a few test runs by the Dutch. And I "guarentee" that he doesn't finish in the top 10. Any sidebets. This could get interesting. I don't want to seem like a jerk but that just seems like a ridiculous statement.

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No to the credit union. Theres some guys that want to make the money themselves im sure if you don't deliver!

I'm just busting your balls a little because of such a bold statement.

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Quote of the night.

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It' s BS that the rest of us have to play by the rules and they have Danny guarding their back with the WEST COAST RULE BOOK every time they turn around. Better yet, we are building a car to run under the same scoop rule. I'm now going to build it like Defranks and see if I get thru tech. And the first SOB that tells me it's not legal I'm going to show him that picture with the two rivets holding that thing on and ask why mines not legal!!! Sorry I'm tired of the damn Rules that are different from one spot to another.

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Yes yes it was a bold statement that was to be taken with a grain of salt! I guess you have to know my personality better to understand the things I say, or write for that matter. (But I'd def take that car you're still offering). I just gotta save up 20 grand to pay the interest back. Come on Brian not even top 10 material?? I'lI have you know I won a small money bracket race once (and that was on 6 consecutive red lights)

I didn't think my ridiculous statement was as bold (and ridiculous) as an insanely illegal hood scoop on the cover of the national dragster at the biggest race of the year where tear down is common practice!

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Bobby Fazio, Jimmy DeFrank has been running that hood scope for at least a year, with and without the bag. Had it on his car last year at Noble Ok. points meet. Tom

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I agree the whole hood scoop thing on Defrank's car is a little ridiculous. I know that he isnt the only one who is doing that. They could at least paint it and try to hid it a little bit because that thing just looks stupid. We actually had a conversation about it in the lanes at Indy. I personally don't think it is right but I don't think that Jimmy is winning any races with it. He could just put the car in modified and other than the index he would still be the same driver and it would still be the same car. I understand that this is Super Stock and we still have rules to abide by but he never tried to hide anything (obvious as the nose on your face) and with a couple of hundred dollars in fibraglass work we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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Hey Jamie who is Danny? I'm guessing a tech guy or NHRA higher-up?

Brian, I agree an illegal hood scoop doesn't help you become a better driver in a bracket race but it sure wouldn't hurt in a heads up race or when you are trying to qualify in a tough indy field, no? People could make a thousand excuses as to how illegal parts don't make you a better driver. I mean, a nice big-block crate motor in my car wouldn't help me be a better racer but it sure would make for a less expensive and longer lasting experience with much less maintenance as I wouldn't have to buzz it as high and check valves every few runs. But that is why they have Pro and Super eliminator. Go put that snout on a bracket car.

The whole point of class racing is the rules! That's what makes it interesting.. well that and big wheel stands of course.

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I think that is the reason for the snout. The top of the opening of the hood scoop can only be five inches from the surface of the hood in SS/AS, SS/BS, etc. I believe when Jimmy first built that car, it was for SS/CM, where there are no rules about scoop height. I believe a Comp racer was DQ'd once for too tall of a scoop on a Super Modified car.

I agree, Jimmy's hood scoop looks...odd. Alan Reinhart made the comment on the Audiocast online that it "looks like an ant-eater". But, it passes tech, so I guess NHRA deemed it legal as part of the scoop, (under the rule of "as part of the hood").

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The "Private Ryan" car had the same type of scoop modification at Indy ,although a little better craftsmanship was apparent. It's probably just something to draw your attention from something really questionable. LOL I can't imagine that nobody using a scoop, and/or scoop manufactures has never tested the air off the nose.

Wade Mahaffey

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https://www.autoimagery.com/store/cg...1036-00393.jpg

Ryan McClanahan's scoop at Indy (calm down, Floyd Staggs)

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Wanna bet the 5" rule gets changed for next year now that this picture is on the cover of ND? Talk about stretching a rule to the limit! I can remember when the entire hood scoop could not be over 5" tall.

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Chase Williams got bounced a couple of years ago.. Its has to be permanent( the scoop). He does or did have an east texas super scoop. Rc would have a field day with that scoop!!

As for mr I will wim! I bet you don't make it down the track.

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Keith, that's probably who I was thinking of. I remember something about the top of the opening being illegal for that particular Super Mod class (different rule for 1x4 vs 2x4 carbs in S/Mod?)

I think Bobby's comment about finishing in the top 10 was said in jest, so go easy on him.

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You crack me up, Carr. And I don't even know what that means!

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What's the big deal.Their sponsor next year will be Oreck Vacuums.That's their new 2011 model.

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I never knew Indy was using the west coast rule book and for those that think its so easy out here, there is a freeway that brings you right out here. I believe its the same one I take to Indy.

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Aw Keith I'm sure you don't mean that. I mean come on.. I drive a stick car with a clutch and seem to "make it down the track" just fine (on occasion). Are you telling me I wouldn't be able to do that in a transbrake equipped, air-shifted car? I guess you're right, I might fall asleep behind the wheel. Alright fine you "wim" this one.. but just wait til my stocker is ready.. lol lighten up ma man.

But back to the main point of the thread. You're right they would have a field day with that scoop. I don't understand how it is considered part of the scoop when it is clearly different material/color etc.

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If Ryan has one, it's legal.

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What it means, Paul, is I'm the #1 fan of the McClanahans.

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Yes, I know Floyd is a big fan of Ryan and Brian, and would like seeing a pic of Ryan's car...lol. Floyd, are they related to Jerry McClanahan who won a World Championship in Stock in the 60's (or early 70's)?

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Mike, yes Brian is the son and Ryan is the grandson of Jerry McClanahan.

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ya know, i realize why these guys are doing this ( to meet the 5"scoop rule). With that said, neither one of these guys are hurting for money, so why not do the body work and actually extend the scoop and just have 2 hoods if you want to be able to change classes. that looks like some crap I would expect from "the boyz in the hood" on grudge night at the local track.

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Yes Mike. Dad and Grandpa.
#1 Fan

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Don't you think they might want to test it before they go to the expense of building a new hood? That don't come cheap, ya know.

#1 Fan

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I'm not defending the scoops by any means because I think they look ridiculous and they're are much better ways to go about having a legal hood. BUT, with that said depending on how they are attaching those things they are completely legal.

The people complaining about this rule are most likely the same people that think if you weld that 1/2" bolts holding in you 300# or more weight box in makes it permanent and thus doesn't have to be less than the 100# limit..

Get over it guys there is absolutely no advantage to them. If they wanted to spend another 5k on a 2nd hood and form it into the scoop would you still be crying that its helps the car run faster...

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I don't like hood scoops. I can barely see over my steering wheel as it is so it would be no benefit to me.

BUT if the rules in modified stock state that the hood scoop must be part of the hood, then by the rules of English grammar, the scoop would have to be the same material as the hood, which clearly it is not. OR what about "only one opening permitted"? Technically it has 2 openings, one opening in the Oreck hose and then one opening in the hood scoop for said hose to go in.

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Come on - we're talking about an organization that doesn't police how tight super comp & gas competitors wear their shoulder harnesses and then post photos of them hanging out of their cages at the finishline! Do you really expect them to police hood scoops to your satisfaction and interputation of a rulebook that must be written in pencil? It's pretty obvious the they're real good at looking the other way when it suits them

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good point

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yea, I'm sure they did. However I'm sure there are much better places to test something unproven than at the US nationals

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technically there would be three, the third is where the scoop attached to the hood