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Ken Miele 10-05-2010 06:57 PM
"Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
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I guess by now everyone knows that there is no parking until Thursday for all sportsman. I hit the road at 2pm and had no idea the schedule had changed. I'm only a 110 miles from Maple Grove, but decided to stay. I can catch up with most of my work from my laptop.

There are about 75 rigs parked in the field. Bellow are some shots of what the field looks like. The entry in is starting to get a little muddy, but most rigs are parked on solid ground. In spite if all the rain its not as bad as I though it would be.

The first picture is the Philadelphia skyline on my way to Maple Grove. The rest are the rigs lined up and the parking field.

It would be nice if NHRA would just change the schedule to end on Monday. This way all the sportsman can get the runs they are suppose to, along with running class. I guess that would be to much to ask.

I will be back tomorrow with pictures of the pits.

It stop raining in the morning here and has not rained all day, though it is cloudy and cold.

I guess the only thing we can do tomorrow is have a mud wrestling match, anyone know a few young ladies that would be interested.

Dan Fletcher 10-05-2010 07:31 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
It's all good...at least the Pros share the burden with all the Sportsman that ponied up with the $270 to get in. Instead of 4 runs for the stellar field of nitro stars like..well, I won't name names...they cut them back to ONLY 3 runs to make the very stout bump to get in...

Oh, wait a minute, no they didn't...they all still get 4 runs to qualify for a field where virtually anything that doesn't piss all over it's own shoes gets in...

And we get one whole ONE run, and then are sent into first round. Someone that loses first round in Stock can physically be on the grounds for less than Five hours...

That's awesome...

Believe me when I tell you...I've erased way more of this post than what remains...I haven't had quite enough Ultras to fully speak my mind!!!

Ed Fernandez 10-05-2010 07:33 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Kenny,check the Evan Smith thread.I'm sure the four new Fast Ford girls are up for some good ole mud rasslin'.

hookdaddy 10-05-2010 07:38 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Agreed Dan but, there are only two words that matter to the powers that be and they are SPECTATOR GATE not sportsman racers.

NHRA publications love to point out how sportsman racers are the "backbone of the sport", well now I think we all need a good chiropracter.

Brian VP 10-05-2010 07:39 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Actually I was examining the schedule and NHRA has one heck of a job in front of them. Apparently the posted schedule is staying the same and just filling us in. Well On Friday they start at 8:45 and Comp runs at 11 o'clock. So in 2 hours and 15 minutes they need to get 50 Super Street, 100 Stockers, 80 Super Comp, 80 Super Stock, and 80 Super Gas cars a time run. That is 390 cars in 2 hours and 15 minutes. 195 pairs in 135 minutes. That is a pretty good click. Looking at the rest of the schedule there is not really enough time to fit any class in for another entire round. from 11 on they have to run 2 sessions of comp, 2 of tafc and tad, 2 PSB, 2 PS, 2 TF, and 2 FC. And they plan on being done by 7 o'clock. Which is probably a good idea looking at what happened when the sun went down last week and what happens when it gets dark at the Dutch. I would be really surprised if any sportsman car get's a round in on Friday. It is going to be a long weekend.

Jack Matyas 10-05-2010 07:41 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Kenny - Glad you're on the job but where is Sal your faithful assistant ? He must have found out about the non-union wages he was earning .Tomorrow you can keep us up to date on how deep the mud really is and as to what time the mud wrestling championship starts ..........aren't you glad you came in early .......see you later in the week .

Rich Biebel 10-05-2010 07:45 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
You are a very funny man Dan.......and only telling it like it is.

Some serious Fuel pukers have always been part of the show and NHRA has to have them now just for a short field.......NHRA probably has some special incentives for them to show up, You guys get shafted so they can slobber up the racetrack.......but hey the fans love it and Paul Paige says so....

RACER1530 10-05-2010 07:50 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
you think they wont try to run after the pros on friday? I bet they try to stick it to somebody.

larry dowty 10-05-2010 07:52 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
DAN, I tell everbody you always have a great since of humor.

Brian VP 10-05-2010 07:53 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
I am not saying they won't TRY. But as we all know they are dedicated to safety. So I am sure that that will be the first thing on their mind.

Ken Miele 10-05-2010 07:54 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Ed, not sure Evan will be able to get them up here, but its worth a try.

Jack, I had to let Sal go, he wanted to much money. I can barely afford to pay you.

Dan, I understand your frustration, but I have no control on what is decide here, so I will make the best of a short racing weekend.

Brian, you have a good point, unless they decided to run us late into the night, I don't see us running first round on Friday.

RACER1530 10-05-2010 07:56 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
remember the year super gas refused to run,they never saw the track again till late sunday night.

Mike Brogniez 10-05-2010 08:01 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Sounds like another challenging weekend in the works, better be armed with lots of patience....
The mud wrestling should be entertaining.......................

mcaruso 10-05-2010 08:01 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Dan- You owe me an Ultra, cuz I just spilled mine from laughing so hard!!

Dan Fletcher 10-05-2010 08:02 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
I can just see the packed grandstands on their feet cheering wildly while the Safety Safary cleans up yet another 10 gallons of oil puked all over the track by Luigi Farndon...

billy leber 10-05-2010 08:05 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Brian, if we are looking at the same schedule, i believe whoever altered the schedule simply was not bright enough to change anything on fridays portion. Notice it still says sportsman elim at 8
;45.

billy leber 10-05-2010 08:08 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Who?? you do have a good since of humor you! lol

mcaruso 10-05-2010 08:08 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billy leber (Post 214885)
Brian, if we are looking at the same schedule, i believe whoever altered the schedule simply was not bright enough to change anything on fridays portion. Notice it still says sportsman elim at 8
;45.
They can't help it Billy....they're not that bright.....just sayin!!

X-TECH MAN 10-05-2010 08:16 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Fletcher (Post 214864)
It's all good...at least the Pros share the burden with all the Sportsman that ponied up with the $270 to get in. Instead of 4 runs for the stellar field of nitro stars like..well, I won't name names...they cut them back to ONLY 3 runs to make the very stout bump to get in...

Oh, wait a minute, no they didn't...they all still get 4 runs to qualify for a field where virtually anything that doesn't piss all over it's own shoes gets in...

And we get one whole ONE run, and then are sent into first round. Someone that loses first round in Stock can physically be on the grounds for less than Five hours...

That's awesome...

Believe me when I tell you...I've erased way more of this post than what remains...I haven't had quite enough Ultras to fully speak my mind!!!
Please drink some more....Im sure we ALL would love to hear what you want to say............except maybe NHRA.

Ed Fernandez 10-05-2010 08:20 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Fletcher (Post 214884)
I can just see the packed grandstands on their feet cheering wildly while the Safety Safary cleans up yet another 10 gallons of oil puked all over the track by Luigi Farndon...
And his first cousin Fred Novelli.He runna da pura virgina olive oila inna da dragasta.

joe176 10-05-2010 08:52 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian VP (Post 214870)
Actually I was examining the schedule and NHRA has one heck of a job in front of them. Apparently the posted schedule is staying the same and just filling us in. Well On Friday they start at 8:45 and Comp runs at 11 o'clock. So in 2 hours and 15 minutes they need to get 50 Super Street, 100 Stockers, 80 Super Comp, 80 Super Stock, and 80 Super Gas cars a time run. That is 390 cars in 2 hours and 15 minutes. 195 pairs in 135 minutes. That is a pretty good click. Looking at the rest of the schedule there is not really enough time to fit any class in for another entire round. from 11 on they have to run 2 sessions of comp, 2 of tafc and tad, 2 PSB, 2 PS, 2 TF, and 2 FC. And they plan on being done by 7 o'clock. Which is probably a good idea looking at what happened when the sun went down last week and what happens when it gets dark at the Dutch. I would be really surprised if any sportsman car get's a round in on Friday. It is going to be a long weekend.
Brian...it's only a long weekend if your willing to go and sit it out.
This is typical of NHRA....why not give racers the option of withdrawing from the event..because they have our money.....I for one am willing to take the $270 hit and stay home if it comes to that...I'll save money. I race for the sport and the fun of it...I don't need this to feed my family or promote my business....too costly to go and just sit around all day with NHRA's revised schedule...had enough of that at Atco !!!!!!!!

Brian VP 10-05-2010 08:59 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Believe me Joe, I am real close to staying home. If it weren't for the fact that, it is a national event, and all I want to do is win one of these things so I can quit, I would stay home. And things like this will make that decision, if I am ever lucky enough to be able to make it, that much easier.

X-TECH MAN 10-05-2010 09:05 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joe176 (Post 214899)
Brian...it's only a long weekend if your willing to go and sit it out.
This is typical of NHRA....why not give racers the option of withdrawing from the event..because they have our money.....I for one am willing to take the $270 hit and stay home if it comes to that...I'll save money. I race for the sport and the fun of it...I don't need this to feed my family or promote my business....too costly to go and just sit around all day with NHRA's revised schedule...had enough of that at Atco !!!!!!!!
And there is the problem......How many would show up if they didnt already have your entry fee money in advance?

joe176 10-05-2010 09:10 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian VP (Post 214901)
Believe me Joe, I am real close to staying home. If it weren't for the fact that, it is a national event, and all I want to do is win one of these things so I can quit, I would stay home. And things like this will make that decision, if I am ever lucky enough to be able to make it, that much easier.
LOL...Brian..you and I are in the same boat...I feel your pain.

joe176 10-05-2010 09:22 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 214905)
And there is the problem......How many would show up if they didnt already have your entry fee money in advance?
It costs me ballpark of $800 to go to a national event.....entry fee, fuel for RV, fuel for race car, tolls, food - breakfast, lunch and dinner for two people so on and so forth. Why would I want to spend this kind of money on a weekend away to not have a good time....if any one of us planned a vacation to anywhere would you still go and spend even more money if the weather looked crappy and you were going to park in mud and the resort pool was closed for one day when you really enjoy that part of it.....I'd cancel that vacation in a heartbeat !!!

keith ohanesian 10-05-2010 09:26 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
So lets see...

Super Stock class at Englishtown : 1 run wins

Stock class at The Sloppy Grove : 1 run wins

Why wouldn't Nhra make it up to us and run class the way it should be run at the Dutch? Just hold off class at the grove and run it then.

Beacuse there dumb @#@$S!

JUST SAYING!!!!

Francois Periard 10-05-2010 09:34 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
i just hope they will issue credit for the Sportman ! or let us pull off:

joe176 10-05-2010 09:44 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Francois Periard (Post 214916)
i just hope they will issue credit for the Sportman ! or let us pull off:
That would be the right thing to do...but we're talking about NHRA here...NEVER HAPPEN !!!!

SC1317 10-05-2010 10:06 PM
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So...for some of us that got here and found out through the grapevine that they are turning the sportsman away and told them to park at "the mall"...What MALL?

Brian VP 10-05-2010 10:16 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SC1317 (Post 214927)
So...for some of us that got here and found out through the grapevine that they are turning the sportsman away and told them to park at "the mall"...What MALL?
Oh isn't this great. Why can't they just talk to us like the human beings that we are. Why can't they tell us the situation and explain to us what the plans are and what they are asking for us to do. The mall. That is great. When were they going to let everyone know.

SC1317 10-05-2010 10:25 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian VP (Post 214928)
Oh isn't this great. Why can't they just talk to us like the human beings that we are. Why can't they tell us the situation and explain to us what the plans are and what they are asking for us to do. The mall. That is great. When were they going to let everyone know.
I'm not even sure that's what they're doing, but I was on 222 and my phone was blowing up. Was told if you are parked in the field, you aren't moving till Thurs and if you pulled in later you were being turned around and told to go to the mall. I didnt bother going to the track, Im at the Holiday Inn on 10. I think there is a mall somewhere here. Ugh, I need a beer!

Michael Beard 10-05-2010 10:35 PM
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"The definition of insanity..." I've been to Atco with the Turismo twice, won first round each time, then had it rescheduled for a time I couldn't make it back. Well, there goes all *that* entry fee money. How's that go, "Fool me twice, and you won't get fooled again?" :rolleyes: :p Glad I'm not at the Grove. My last National there was the Keystones when Hurricane Floyd blew through. Everyone became well acquainted with The Mall, and even better we were told quite bluntly, "When you lose, LEAVE." Love Maple Grove. Love Atco. Don't love the experience received after any chance of inclement weather.

I'm going to Virginia Motorsports Park next weekend. Anybody not going to the Atco re-run is more than welcome.... 2-Day national event, pay at the gate ($200 entry, including the insurance schtuff), even get your license and membership at the track if need be, Sportsman are on-track Saturday 9am-6pm with no interruption from the Pros (2 Qualifying runs and 1st Round). Sunday, no Pros at all, start at 10:30 am, Rnd 2 through the end, probably done by 3pm. Get home at a decent hour. Win the race and you qualify for next year's Tournament of Champions (free entry, 5-6 round race for $10K to win + contingency)

Best of luck, y'all.

skills 10-05-2010 10:39 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
You guys are kidding me right? How much are you going to run friday? I can watch the pros on tv or online I am going to see the sportsmen run. Nhra is is trying to be nascar and its a shame. Maybe I will stay home and just wait for the dutch.

Ken Miele 10-05-2010 10:48 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
SC1317,

I don't know were you got your info from, but I just talked to security, they are not turning anyone away. The field is wet, but for the most part its solid. They are parking rigs as I type and will be all day tomorrow.

I know many of you are frustrated, but I started this thread to give everyone info on this event, not to turn it into a bash NHRA thread. I don't agree with their call, but there is not much I can do about it, so I am going to make the best of it.

joe176 10-05-2010 10:52 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Ken..just got reply from NHRA

From: "Josh Peterson" <JPeterson@nhra.com>
To: <joe176@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: NHRAEventReg.com
Date: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 10:33 PM

Joseph

Competitors who do not attend the event will be granted a transfer good for one year from the date of the original event.

Josh

On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:57 PM, "joe176@optonline.net" <joe176@optonline.net> wrote:

> Message Type Sent: Question
> Submitter's Name: Joseph Franco III
> Category Name: Super Stock
> Title Selected: Full Throttle National Championship
> Division Selected: All Divisions
> Member Number:
> License Number: ss176
> Submitter's Email: joe176@optonline.net
> Submitter's Tel: 631-445-5302
> Browser Type: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
> rv:1.9.2.10) Gecko/20100914 Firefox/3.6.10 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729)
>
> Due to the recent developments at Maple Grove for the National event I'm
> asking for NHRA to give the sportsman racers permission to withdraw from
> this event and use the entry for a future event....It would be the right
> thing to do.
>

skills 10-05-2010 10:53 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Hey ken you running aa or a stock this weekend?

Byron Worner 10-05-2010 10:53 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Kenny, it's posted on nhra.com sportsman parking on Thursday.

Ken Miele 10-05-2010 10:58 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Thanks for posting that info Joe.

Byron, I meant to say they are parking rigs in the field, not in the track. No one is being turned away.

Skills, I am running AA.

SC1317 10-05-2010 11:06 PM
Re: "Live From" the NHRA Toyo Tires Nationals.
 
Ken, my next statements are meant as a joke, true, but still a Lol. Please dont take offense.
Did you talk to the guy that is always sleeping at the gate or the drunk one that we ran into earlier this year? Either way it makes no mind, but 2 more rigs just pulled in here.

ooooh, since I'll have time now maybe I can hit the brewery tour! anyone else?

WRENCH 10-05-2010 11:08 PM
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That's right still parking rigs in lot about 10 rows now . Track manager said muddy in pits hopes it will dry up for thursday.


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