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Jason Oldfield 10-26-2010 05:04 PM

2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
Can be found here: http://www.nhra.com/UserFiles/file/2...Amendments.pdf

Or, you can go to the main NHRA page and hunt for the tiny box that reads "Racer Updates" among all the distracting clutter, and click on the "Racer Updates" button. Why this wouldn't be on the main "COMPETITION" tab is beyond me (more logic).

Biggest change I can see is that starting Jan. 1, 2012 oil-retention devices (e.g. diapers or belly pans) will be required on all S/St entries, and beginning June 1, 2011 all roll-cage padding in S/G needs to meet SFI spec 45.1 where the driver's helmet could hit the roll cage (also for cars running 9.99 or quicker).

Oh, and for you guys with secondary braking systems, they're now going to be permitted as long as both are connected together and activate all braking systems on the car at once (i.e. you can't use the hand brake to only control the front brakes).

As a side note, did anybody know that the maximum burnout time is 5 seconds? That's a pretty long burnout, but I honestly didn't know there was ANY time limit...

Duane Dagostino 10-26-2010 05:57 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
They still don't get the fact that on a dragster, 2 independant systems with 2 m/c's,and 2 sets of calipers is a safety plus....

Rich Biebel 10-26-2010 06:22 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
I am not going to remove the handle on my hand brake actuated set of brakes and I am also not going to connect both sets of calipers to work off one MC. NHRA Tech is completely wrong on this one and it's hard to believe they don't see the logic or safety factor in having two independent sets......It's my car and my life.....I will either race it as it is or stay home....

lazrcng 10-26-2010 06:37 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel (Post 218438)
I am not going to remove the handle on my hand brake actuated set of brakes and I am also not going to connect both sets of calipers to work off one MC. NHRA Tech is completely wrong on this one and it's hard to believe they don't see the logic or safety factor in having two independent sets......It's my car and my life.....I will either race it as it is or stay home....


Well said, I absolutely agree.

Rick Bailey 10-26-2010 07:22 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
Ok we all know that NHRA says NO ! to the independant brake system... but I would like to hear their reason........maybe Rock could help here.

No I don't have a second system, but I think it could be wise....

Rick

Chris Williams 10-27-2010 01:16 AM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
I think you guys are reading these rules wrong. The applicable sentence is

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHRA 2011 Rule Book Amendments
Secondary braking systems are permitted as long as the hand brake and foot brake are connected such that any movement of either engages both master cylinders and all calipers.

Note the use of "both master cylinders and all calipers". That means systems with dual MCs and multiple calipers are fine. You just have to activate both with both the foot and hand brake. Seems OK to me??

Duane Dagostino 10-27-2010 07:06 AM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
Chris...that would give you twice the brakes...the idea is to have 2 systems in case one fails...twice the brakes improves the chances of locking up if hit too hard...all of us who have this set-up would just like an explanation from NHRA as to why this such a problem. I feel they are making my car less safe!!

BKSG1198 10-27-2010 08:19 AM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
What happens if you do a burnout longer then 5 seconds?

GaryGoFast 10-27-2010 08:50 AM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
In order to move the classes along so Alcohol may have its alloted time added to offset oil cleanup, NHRA has decided to enforce it 5 second burnout policy, any person doing a burnout for more than 5 seconds will be forced to install a secondary timer to control this issue.
These NHRA approved devices can be purchased at our ....................................

Jason Oldfield 10-27-2010 12:28 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
Roflmao! :d

Quote:

Originally Posted by garygofast (Post 218529)
in order to move the classes along so alcohol may have its alloted time added to offset oil cleanup, nhra has decided to enforce it 5 second burnout policy, any person doing a burnout for more than 5 seconds will be forced to install a secondary timer to control this issue.
These nhra approved devices can be purchased at our ....................................


CBS 10-27-2010 01:33 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
I not happy about the handbrake rule.....they are 2 independent systems....they don't need to be connected.....Danny had a problem with this for some reason.....I'm not sure what their goal was....the foot pedal is much more aggressive than the handbrake....the sportsman advisory council unanimously approved it....

Rich Biebel 10-27-2010 02:33 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
So I remove my hand brake operated set of brakes to satisfy Danny Gracia. Since my second set was added after the car was initially built the 2 sets can't be tied together. The master cylinders are nowhere near each other.

One day I am racing at xyz dragstrip and my brake pedal goes to the floor as I attempt to stop. I pull my chute as fast as I can but hit the end of the track at 50+ mph......My car is destroyed, I am injured, maybe badly or worse...

If my second set of brakes was still in the car I stopped fine with no problem. Ask any racer who has experienced this exact scenario if they would have liked to have a second set of brakes....


This is theoretical of course but it is easy to see it could and has happened.

Makes no sense to me at all....

Duane Dagostino 10-27-2010 02:45 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
Rock...the council approved keeping the rule or wanted it changed to o.k the 2 seperate systems ??....thanx

CBS 10-27-2010 02:51 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
The council voted to allow 2 seperate systems...every one of us....For some reason Danny doesn't like the second system....Its a safety item....I can't understand it....

I had 4 calipers connected to my brake pedal in my dragster....why would 2 calipers on seperate masters be more aggressive than that....? I will continue to try to get this fixed....I'm sure we will talk again at PRI....

Duane Dagostino 10-27-2010 02:58 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
Thanx for your concern and follow-up hopefully common sense will kick in...one other question...why have a vote if there is already a decided outcome??

Rollins_2241 10-27-2010 03:19 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
Anyone know who makes an engine diaper for a stock front-end Chevy Super Street car? Diapers on all S/ST required in 2012 - but not Stock and Super Stock of course. I assume someone with better engineering credentials than me can tell me how I'm supposed to get one on.

darkside 10-27-2010 03:20 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
Rich, it is not a theory...it happened to me! This year at BG going through tech the tech guy wanted me to take the hand brake out....we discussed and he said ok but be ready too if someone complians.

First pass 6.67-204 pulled the chute, hit the foot brake....nothing, pumped....nothing by now I'm 1/3 through the shut down and still going prolly 170? Got on the hand brake and safely stopped. If I had not had the hand brake, 2nd system, I would have crashed! The second chute would have gotten me maybe to 80-100 by the time I hit the trees, pretty sure an undercover doesn't like trees at 80-100 mph, lol!

Bottom line, a line shook loose from tire shake and if I had not have had my hand brake the car would have been wrecked, ? on if I would have been hurt.

We need 2nd independent brake systems MANDATORY if over 200 IMO.

Thanks to the Tech man for letting me slide, he saved my car!!!! And maybe me!

Rich Biebel 10-27-2010 03:43 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
Thanks Rock for the explanation and the support on this issue.

Lynn that is a story NHRA ought to pay attention to and I'm glad the Tech guy did the right thing for you in tech.......at those speeds you need all the safety you can get......

Bob Verwold 10-27-2010 04:51 PM

Re: 2011 Rule Book Amendments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollins_2241 (Post 218599)
Anyone know who makes an engine diaper for a stock front-end Chevy Super Street car? Diapers on all S/ST required in 2012 - but not Stock and Super Stock of course. I assume someone with better engineering credentials than me can tell me how I'm supposed to get one on.

Get with Dennis at DRE I'm sure he can fix ya up...He did mine with no trouble at all.

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