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5.7 DP with an auto is back at 360 hp as of today in Stock. '10 SCJ is back at 517 hp as of today in SS. Someone must have decided the altitude adjusted runs weren't included. I suppose that's the fair thing to do until there's some clarification from the powers that be.

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I bet someone is going to build a stick shift version which is still rated at 305 HP

:-)

Peace

PS - JJ responded to Dogs on FB

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.....just goes to show you that NHRA's left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

When they have NO clue except when someone is willing to 'show them the money'....what they put in print will only last until they change their minds, but money talks

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What in the world are you guys thinking....

An honest error gets corrected and you start making unfounded allegations against the character and honesty of the individiuals involved..

If we get horsepower for running less than the corrected sea level index, than so should everyone else who ran 1.25 under the elevated index. If you want all of the cars to get horsepower, than so be it, but for all of you who constantly whine in favor of "fairness", why not extend the "fairness" doctrine to us too????

It is all good, we dont get horsepower, and neither do the mustangs... But neither do the all of the older cars who did exactly what we did without horsepower, or got the extra horsepower removed once the error was recognized.

David
The New Hemi Guy

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And your driver said you were heavy for C/SA while running B/SA. You were the guys that were going to race straight up and not sandbag. How long did that last?

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Las Vegas is an altitude strip, 1.25 under sea level index to get instant horse power, I think we have been to this dance before. End of story

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That car is as close to the definition of sandbagging as one could get. Heck, it even meets the term if they were using sand instead of steel.

Ed is applying the C/SA index to see how fast they were. If they were running the true weight of B/SA and not lifting then the horsepower figures would have stuck. They either lift or run extra weight to avoid getting the hit. They ran extra weight which is sandbagging.

Our car was there running their spare motor and it ran fantastic. We were within the weight range for C/SA and qualified just fine. The most impressive C/SA car at Vegas was Carson Pedigo's Chevelle. Not the Drag Pak eventhough it was in B/SA, but it ran at a heavy C/SA.

Every time one of the Drag Paks ran you would see people at the starting line shaking their heads in disgust. You should have heard some of the comments when they were pounding on the legit fast cars in the heads up races.

There were guys in the lanes that were talking about the "what ifs" they came up against one in future rounds. None of them felt the need to take their car to the go fast mode. None of them had a favorable comment of the Drag Paks or Cobra Jets as classified.

And none of them post here.

Don

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10.009 @ 112.11 holy batman brake malfunction!...maybe a "mandump" as described by Scotty Richardson!.....Thats cutting it close....Tire smoke?

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Funny how you think that an opposing opinion is whining. I would call Koppien's Camaro a legit fast car. It never had a chance against a cherry picked parts car. No one has asked that the Drag Paks or Cobra Jets be eliminated or "go anywhere" like you said. We have just asked for proper classification for these Factory Experiments.

My buddy's last name is Ratcliff and he qualified just fine with his spare motor. We were pleased with the results and anxious to see what the better piece may offer after this winter. It looks like he picked up about 26 from Vegas.

Do you race? I don't, but I am involved with his car and help where I can. And we compete against these factory experiments. Do you? Will you? Or you just adept with the ad hominem.

Don

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Sandbaging: definition;
Keith LynchRuns 10.009/112.110mph

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There is something seriously wrong with their tune-up! My 1320/MPH calculation shows a 112.11 MPH run as being "optimum" with an 11.77 ET! That means they "somehow" picked up 1.68 seconds. A 10.09 would seem impossible. Must be one of those toads setting off the beams at the finish line. Hope nobody squished the poor toad!

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I call it dumb luck. We went 10.29 and as I worked by Keith's car I said you will be in the 9s he said boy I don't want to do that. Good driving guess or real good luck. He is good

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Inconclusive.....so many things can go wrong, right off the top of my head....

ran out of gas/fuel pump death/filter clog?
Computer gremlin ie loss of voltage to ECU
throttle petal malfunction.....yes it happens.....
Misfire.....ie coil pack going south, valve spring lets go, dead hole.
slick puncture
window regulator malfunction causing windows to come down
opponent crossing the center line
torque convertor letting go
tranny slip
Pinion breaking
hood malfunction...
And more!

or you could be dead on.

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Sandbagging? They run their car hard and all they got was crap from most on here.
So now maybe they will help to justify all the crying.

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Many other possibilities -- charley horse in right leg- had to lift

Farted and foot came off gas ( no pun intended )

Hot dog wrapper blew thru the lights

I could go on but i'm laughing too much ...........

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Those that treat the race car like a race car don't get s**t upon...

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Farted and foot came off gas ( no pun intended )

Jack, right on, **** I bit my tongue....

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And you actually heard him say that???? Or are you relying on second hand info which might be either mistakenly interpreted, or simply wrong??? It is amazing how someone gets a fact misinterpreted, and someone else is trying to hang us on hearsay, that isn't even close to the truth. Toby misheard Keith about the weight. No big deal, until someone who wasn't even in the same conversation wants to pick a nit with us. Did you heard Keith say anything about the weight? Or are you just applying typical Democratic argument strategy, "Forget the facts and issues, just attack the person!"

We run our car like others run theirs.We take weight out when we don't need it, and we put it when we do need it. No difference there as I can list an awful lot of stockers who do the same thing. But if you actually knew our factory shipping weight (instead of relying on rumors etc..) then you would know exactly what we weigh, ad we a re a very heavy car.. We can take everything legal out of the car and still can't get down to the weight in most classes we have run.

Why are we being persecuted about running an unfair combo, when Dgal (Don) can run his fuel injected car against a flock of carbed cars from the 60's and nobody thinks that is equally unfair??

This is really funny stuff as many kettles here call us out, and ignore their own positions in the past. A mis-factored car in the past is OK, but any factor issues on the new cars is a crime against humanity...

I don't know you who were talking to in Vegas. The many fans in the stands I saw were on their feet cheering for us. And the many more who came down to meet us and get pictures with us were also cheering for us. I guess you see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear, but this (Thursday) morning in Pomona, I had dozens of folks come by the car to get a good look and get photos. We even put some of them in the car for photos, and they love it. These are fans of the car indeed. Fans like us a lot, racers might no like us, but the fans surely do, no matter what negative fictions get thrown out here.

Come by the car some time, and if I am in a good mood, I will even let you sit in it for a minute,if I am really in a good mood. And after our first qualifying run, I am in a pretty good mood. So stop by, and share a bit of racing history.

But regardless of who like us and who doesn't, get used to it folks, we (the new cars) are here to stay, and next year your cars will be treated to whole new set of rules that you aren't going to like, any more than we like them. Keep whining and crying and maybe NHRA can find a new way to punish the whiners in addition to lowering the AHFS threshold.

And to whomever called us sandbaggers, we are not sandbaggers at all. We are only doing what the other cars are doing. But to correct the facts, we use lead shot bags in our weight box, ........not sand anyway....

David
The New hemi Guy

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I guess since you are calling us out, you might as well tell the entire story. Kyle's car was in it's own class until it got properly factored and then mixed in with the carb'd cars. I know you have said in the past that you support the same for your car, but don't make it out like your factory experiment is playing by the same rules as the fuel injected cars did until they were factored properly.

Yes, the fuel injected cars had about 3 years of the wrong category, but lessons should have been learned. And for your sake, you better hope they don't put you in a FX class or something similar. The amount of money you have spent so far is a fraction of what it will cost to compete in an FX class.

Don

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Well now if Mr. Linch is this great guy then why doesn't he try doing some of this with his own money for a change. He may be a great tuner, car guy but has he done any racin lately on his own nickle. And like somebody said we run it all out, well 112 @ 10, anything is not all out!!!!

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David, I realize he isn't with us now, but your son said it.

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Yes, I did actually hear him say that. I didn't mishear anything. I know what I heard. In fact, Keith actually said he was 55 pounds heavy for C. I will swear on my mother's grave that is what he said. Hell, I'll even take a lie detector test along with Keith to settle this.

Were you there during this conversation? Have Keith (spike1) come on here and deny that he said it.


-Toby

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So what is the new rules that we are not going to like with our older cars? Can you also let us in on them lowering the AHFS threshold? You seem to know a lot more about next year than any of us in the rest of the country.

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Once again, when you don't have a point that can be supported, just attack someone else's character....

As for Keith using his own money, how does that make any difference???? What a ludicrous argument to prove some inane point...

If your point is somehow that he doesn't deserve to run fast because it isn't all on his nickle, are you also saying that Greg Anderson, Jason Line, and other pros don't deserve to run fast because they have a sponsor??? So, just what was your point.

I love it when monkeys type long enough to get some words on the screen, and then sit back and smirk at their own "clever creations"...

Keith is a great Racer, a Great Mechanic (He built the go fast engine we are now running), and a heck of a nice guy...

Just because you cant find any factual reason to attack him or his character doesn't mean you can make up crap up that has no bearing on anything. So either find a valid point to argue, or keep your feeble thoughts to yourself.

David
The New Hemi Guy

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Very simple if you get good enough you can race on someone elses dime.
I see the "Green Monster" jealousy

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Well said David ..........very well indeed ! !

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Right on Ed!!!!!!!!!

And they railed on him when he said it. Now they rail on us for actually doing it. Some people have so little life that they must find some significance somewhere, we are darned if do, and darned if we don't.

I don't know why I even bother to ever respond to most of these people. For them complaining is like religion, the ones who understand need no explanation, and for those who don't get it, no explanation is adequate...

David
The New Hemi Guy

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Chris (Drooze) said it exactly like it played out Keith was the mystery driver that a lot on here said was fictional.
The plan was to run the 5.7 after the first couple of races.
It all worked out just as Chris said it would.
Where are all the naysayers from earlier this year? They didn't want a seperate class or gangs of horsepower back then.
All I can say is Drooze you did good.

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I will admit that I am not a racer or even know the technical points of the rules but I am a huge fan of s/ss racing. I am one of the people that don't ft up when the pros are done and enjoy walking through the pits looking at the sportsmen cars. I will say this I am a mopar guy at heart and enjoy seeing the new cars. I don't want to see the old cars go away though how can you not enjoy john shaul's max wedge. You guys are yelling at the racers when it isn't their fault yes they have an advantage for now but why not enjoy that. Hopefully nhra will fix the problem and I am not sure a class by itself is great. Look at the hemis, most ofthem don't even run much outside of the challenges now. I may upset some people and for that I say sorry but is fans like all the cars from the new ones to ed's amc. That's what makes stock so much fun there is something for everybody.

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Yes, he did good. Hp ratings are still bogus, and until they get factored correctly people aren't going to be happy with them. Put them in the classes where they belong and there will be no problems. That engine began at least 100 hp light.

As for "new" cars, David thinks it the "new cars" is the probem. It's only the extremely bogus hp ratings. Nobody would have a problem with the new Camaros, they have an honest hp rating, thus would not stand a chance agains the new bogus-rated factory race cars.

Nobody can condem the guys buying them. Neat cars. Just the bogus hp numbers and the extreme sand bagging bothers people.

Btw the Keith, "mystery driver", has not forgotten a thing! .014 light first round. Good job! They are doing a great job with that car. If they would race straight up like Chris said they would it would get factored correctly.

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Toby,

I didn't mean to offend you. I was calling out a guy who makes anything he thinks he hears out to be the law.

As for what Keith did or didn't say, it really isn't all that significant. If he mispoke or you misheard, what difference does it make. Keith doesn't intentionally lie, and I don't take you to be untruthful either. But I do know exactly what my car weighs and I know how much we are light, or over weight for the classes we run. And what was said is just flat wrong.

But what the car weighs doesn't really matter and especially now that we are running eliminations, weight matters even less.

Once again Toby, whether you heard correctly and Keith accidentally mis-spoke, or he spoke correctly and with the car noises, or whatever... might have heard something else, it really doesn't mean a whole lot at this point.

But my previous comment wasn't intended to insult you or otherwise call you out.

David
The New Hemi Guy

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How is that?

Don

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If your 300 lbs heavy you don't have to sweat the scales. :D

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I have to laugh when I think about people crying because a car is to heavy.
It just doesn't make logical sense.
What's next? A video installed in the car to make sure you don't short shift it.

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I just had a little talk with Keith and David. I asked Keith if he told me he was 55 pounds heavy for C. He said, "absolutely." He also confirmed everything else I posted about our conversation.

I asked David how hard is it to just ask Keith if he said these things to me or not, I mean you see him every day. He said he did and that's not the way he heard it. I seriously doubt he even asked him at all. I mean If he did ask him, I'm guessing the conversation went something like this:

David: Keith, did you tell Toby you were 55 pounds heavy for C?
Keith: Yes.

How do you "mishear" a simple yes or no question?

Like David said, it's not that big of a deal. I couldn't care less if they are 55 pounds heavy for C. I wouldn't care if they were 500 pounds heavy, but when someone basically calls me a liar it IS a big deal.

David, said he would come on here and post about it.


-Toby

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Toby -- Welcome to being a ClassRacer reporter - at least you got to "clear" your good name ...... the truth will always be the truth and its our job to write it and nothing else ( including our own personal feelings ) which is what you did - good job and well done .

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I am doing exactly what I told Toby. I am here to post the truth.

But before I clear it up... I am a little disappointed that after telling me you were upset that my post appeared to call you a liar, which I never intended to do, and after I apologized face to face, you come on here and call me a liar. What's up with that?

You say that you doubt that I had even talked to Keith previously about the weight, questioning my integrity. I talk to Keith constantly about the car. Nothing about the car is a mystery to me. And I had previously asked him about whether or not he told you that we were 50 pounds heavy in C, and his answer to me then, as I recall it, was that we are not heavy now.

I interpreted that to mean that he did not say we were heavy... But at the time he apprently did say we were heavy, when we were heavy...So what Toby told to others and posted here, is exactly what Keith said.

Was Toby right previously? Yes. Was I wrong previously? Yes.

How much does the car weigh now? As much as weight sticker says.....

I hope that clears it all up, and that everyone is now happy, and we all go back to just being racers...

David
The New Hemi Guy

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Toby, thanks for the great pictures and reporting!!

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There's only one way to take care of this Toby - David thing and that's for them to Duke it out lets say at the Winternationals after first rd. of qualifying in the staging lanes, What do ya say?
I got 10 bucks on Toby, Who's in?

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David's driver Keith is in fine form again today. Another great .017 light 3rd round!
Might win them another one today. Keith is making a lot of us old guys look bad.