100957.00 really
 

Is that really the cost of a 2011 drag pack stocker.WOW this is really a high dollar class to run in.

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That includes full cage, paint, race ready with the 512 Cid Engine. Push the button and race. I think each motor is dyno'ed before being installed in the car. I have No's 1 thru 10 with a hold on #13 at present. Production is slated for January which will follow the 2010 DP's which assembled all parts etc, then started production. Roush Industries doing the finish from the bare lightweight body, and Arrow Racing (who has been the center for all things V10 from the start) is doing the motors. Prototype motor was pretty good. I know it went down the strip, but no info available. @450 HP runs aa/sa @ 3545lbs. Anybody want one? 70 is the projected number which follows the blown Fords of 2010. The thoughts from Detroit is more of these cars will go into storage than the other DP cars, but probably 20 or so race cars. Some familiar racers have signed up already.

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I wonder who has a hold on #13!

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Wow Jeff that is some duckets! I am not a racer but 450hp isnt that a little low?

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So how do you feel about the new bogus HP cars and the money bags who are buying them now?

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Wow X-tech, apparently all of your whining and crying did some good. I was hoping for something like 275, and if comes over out 400..

And tell me again how having the money to be able do what you want to do, is a bad thing making people unworthy to race like you are trying to make it out to be???????

Good job! Apparently the NHRA listens to you. Ther HP problem has been fixed!

David
The New Hemi Guy

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The hp that they quote on the websight for that price is 600plus.

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I am not saying its a bad thing if you have the money plus it is good to have new cars in racing. I am sure all the people that are buying mustangs and challengers want it to be a level playing field. Why hate on the drivers they don't make the rules.

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Im NOT bashing the guys who have these cars. Why cant everyone understand this. There are only a couple who are racing these cars who think their poop dosent stink. Prior to obtaining one of the new cars they didnt have a car that would fall off a mountian. Its the manufacturers who built these cars and summited the HP ratings plus its NHRA's fault for allowing them in stock in the first place and accepting the HP ratings that the problem exists like it does today.

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Hey x-tech do you race? I want the challengers and mustangs hopefully the new camaros and anything else the factories can bring. It would be nice also if mopar and others with nhra make parts more available for racers running older combos so we can all win.

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I did race for many years back in the Jr. Stock days then later a SS/IA Camaro up until around 1980. Got stupid and got married in 78 and the $$$$$ wasnt there to freely spend on toys. Worked as a tech official for 2 years with NHRA in the 74-75 era then 22 1/2 years with IHRA. Now that Im retired for the second time I now have the money to go racing BUT Im NOT going to pi$$ my money away until NHRA lets everyone in on their little secret of what they are going to do about the new under rated cars and if the old cars are going to get a screw job in the rules. It would be stupid to buy a nice older A or B stock automatic car fro $50,000 plus right now.

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Well nice to.meet ya x-tech maybe guys like you tha understand the tech part should get together something with racers of new and old cars and present it to the tech department in glendora. I would love to be a future stock racer in a or b also. I like the new cars, but would love to roll out a 62-64 max wedge or a 68-69 b-body.

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LOL....Im afraid the only thing NHRA will listen about this is if all of the older (and younger) guys with the big investments in the older cars stick together and force the NHRA to do something. We all know that probably wont happen.

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So your saying that some of the sportsmen racers like fletcher and rampy who run older combos say something nhra wont listen.

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You would have to ask them. I cant speak form them or anyone else. Im just saying that the racers wont stick together and agree on anything. Never have and I doubt they ever will. Fletcher changed engines to try and get away from the new cars in A. B, and C.

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Well maybe we need to put it together on here, since I know Fletcher comes on here sometime. Look at all the racers that are on here many are touring pros too. Quite sure we can get fans into to also. If we flood NHRA's mailbox and maybe speedtv's programs with this it will make them do something. We have the offseason to do all this.

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Jeff are you still part of the sportsman committee?

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Yes, I'm still on the committee.

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Hey Jeff is anybody going to address this? Nice hemi by the way. I am a pure mopar guy so its nice to see this filling the staging lanes again.

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Worth every penny and more

Andy and I met and talked to Joe today - I gave him something to give to you when he gets home

We also spent about 30 minutes with Dale -. the V10 Drag Pak project manager

He answered all of my remaining questions and gave me his email address

Finally, briefly spoke with Danny

What kills me is - everyone wants to tell me something negative that they know and I don't - about the future - hell they have even seen "THE letter"

I wish just one person had something positive to say

Geezzee guys - give it a rest - I will be very fast next year in A/SA - oh I mean AA/SA


BTW - GO JOE

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Hey Andy I am very positive about more Mopars on the track. I just hope the factory puts as much into the street machines as much as they have into the drag paks. Hopefully chevy and others get into this also, that would be a ton of fun.

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"2 Speed Automatic"... curious, what corp. model transmission this is?

(I didn't know chrysler / mopar made a 2 speed auto.)

http://www.mopar.com/dragpak/index.html

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http://www.allpar.com/mopar/powerflite.html ;)

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"Though long in coming, the Powerflite (introduced in 1954) is an obvious example of the famed Chrysler engineering. The engineers had done their homework well in creating this two-speed planetary "gearbox" with a torque converter."

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/powerfli...ktrack=kcplink

So this obscure 57 year old trans. is the basis for the 2011 drag pack trans.

$100,957
 

How do we get to $100,957 from the mopar quoted price of $85,512...

http://www.challengerblog.com/blog/1...enger-drag-pak

The HEMI Orange pearl is pretty awesome!!

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The OPTIONS-------you have to have options !

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"Based on the 2011 Dodge Challenger and finished in a Stock Eliminator and Super Stock configuration, the 2011 Mopar Challenger V-10 Drag Pak is the first and only 500-plus cubic-inch V-10 drag-race package car. The car features competition wheels and tires, a Mopar solid rear axle with performance gear ratio, a 2-speed drag race transmission with integrated roll control, a complete competition fuel system with fuel cell, and a complete interior with gauge package.

The Mopar Challenger V-10 Drag Pak features a Bright White paint scheme with color options. The Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) is $85,512 and production begins early next year.

Mopar offers three options with this vehicle.

First, the Competition Package includes an eight-point roll cage, six-point safety harness and a mesh window net (MSRP: $7,950, part number P5155820).

Second, a Mopar logo body wrap (MSRP: $950, part number P5155892) and

a range of body colors (MSRP: $6,800, part number P5155893).

With the Competition Package, the car is ready to go down the drag strip."

http://www.moparstyle.com/2010/10/v1...pack-for-2011/

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OH Brother....Anyone on here wanting to sell their AA/SA cars cheap before this thing hits the track? And I mean real cheap ! Im ready to buy now before the mad rush. I figure the value of a nice Camaro or Corvette with a 427 will go down at least $20,000 to $30,000 once it hits the NHRA races.....LOL. IHRA here I come.

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Hay Terry, Call it what it is. Right out of the box its a SS/GT

and no I am not selling.............................

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No

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YES ! Looks more like a Comp. car to me. AA/FX/Altered/A unblown/FI with about a 9 flat index should do it.

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Just because you can get it race ready for AA/SA does not make it a SS car

It does not have the following allowed SS modifications -
any intake
any head modifications
any manifold
any pistons and compression
trans-brake
14" tire

It does have (like any stocker is allowed) -
a roll cage
a 9" tire
good shocks
fuel cell in trunk
accessory equipment removed (heater, sound deadener, etc.)
legal replacement of IRS


And all for only a hundred grand - I am sure there are current AA cars that have that much in them


:-) peace

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You forgot one important item......A VERY under rated V-10 engine.

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Call it what you want, people are not blind, so its a AA/SA, first hit it get weight second hit it goes right to SS where it belongs in the first place. What a waste of money.

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So are they Changing the rules to allow all Stockers to have a Intergrated Roll control
in the Trans ? (Transbrake)

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You are correct, it doesn't have certain items that are allowed in SS.
-However it does have a "built in roll control" (could that be considered a 4 wheel line loc, or an actual trans-brake?)

-It does have a 11 qt oil pan. "Designed specifically for Drag Pack" http://www.mopar.com/dragpak/pdf/dra...spec_sheet.pdf

Neat piece, just doesn't belong in stock. However I have said that several times, and so have many others. I am not bashing the people getting the vehicles, just the association that is allowing them to compete on the same playing field as the other cars. Yes, there have been people that have spent the same amount to purchase this car, on their car that they race in the same class. You do not see them out running the fastest cars in the nation by over .4 tenths

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Very curious ! When anybody buys one of these so called drag pak stockers ( using the word stocker very loosely ) is there a confidentiality contract that they sign with Mopar racing division or does everybody just get brainwashed as to the stocker rules. Don't get me wrong here. I am not attacking the cars or the owners and drivers. It is collusion between the nhra and chrysler. AND FORD!!! Yes we have not forgotten them but at least their owners are very quiet.

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OK since you guys don't like me posting I will make this my last

I will let the car do the talking - if it can

Hell this car has not even "officially" been on the drag strip yet and you guys are whining and complaining

OK now to the responses -

1) "underrated V10" - name any engine that does not make a lot more HP than it is rated and I will show you an uncompetitive engine
2) "waste of money" - last time I checked it is my money - well some of it is - the rest belongs to the bank
3) "built in roll control" - not going to have it (no trans-brakes in stock)
4) "11 qt oil pan" the Viper has an oil pan capacity of between 8.5 to 10 quarts depending on the year and model

Finally - I am not by any stretch of the imagination - rich. I have a very fast older car. I have just decided to go for the gusto - one last time. I do not make the rules but I have spent a lot of time trying to take advantage of everything that NHRA allowed.

Why should this be any different as I approach the twilight of my life?

NHRA will make the necessary corrections over time - if and when they are needed.

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I'd love to own a V10 powered car, just love the sound of a V8 better cause that's what I grew up with. Just finished up with a Slant 6, 11 second Duster build....A Slant 6 will away's sound like the Red Barron during a dive bomb, they always have, they always will, but this Duster makes us proud.