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Here is a picture of my superstocker
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...2/DSCN4308.jpg

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Michael you don't want to know what I got the rear wheels for. LOL

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Nice front wheels. :cool:

http://www.staginglight.com/photos/turismo_pd10.jpg

Found a pretty good deal on some 15" wheels for the back so I can get some M/T ET Fronts mounted. I think I have some idea what yours cost... you're right. Don't wanna know! Still wanna yank one off the back and weigh it quick so I know what to expect for a difference. I know the AR-24's are a good light wheel, but the tire I have on it has got to be a tank.

Ever played around with figuring out what kind of difference rotational weight makes on these cars? I've worked on static weight and found it to be 1 lb = .003. :eek: I remember Rusty forgot and left his spare wheels in the trunk once, and was about .35 slow!

Here's Rusty's, from the 1998 Dutch Classic...
http://www.staginglight.com/stocker/rusty.jpg

The car's come a long way since this....
http://www.staginglight.com/stocker/stkatbsd2.jpg
First night we ever raced the car, I ran a best of a 20.45. I won that night. LMAO!

http://www.staginglight.com/stocker/dutch1.jpg
It's a magnet for A and B cars!

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Here is my fwd car that I hope to campaign in stock next year. Obviously in the rendering the wheels are not correct, but he didnt have a template for the wheels that I want.. Art I am thinking the same wheels as you in the rear. Do you guys think the the "Mitsubishi Zero Scheme" is too much? Obviously I have made the red circle purple... And some of the rest of the graphics are not added yet either... I like the old school rod kinda look. And the WWII era airplane theme kinda fits that. Also the car is a Mitsubishi which is one thing that will make it stand out tremendously.. Oh and lastly it was 100% Drooze's idea :/ I obviously mean no disrespect by it, and plenty of Americans aviations enthusiasts have Japanese war planes or at least models. Thoughts?

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/b...0/DSC05989.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/b...enderstock.jpg

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With the turbo cars weight didn't make much difference.
On the N/A Neon I really haven't gotten around to trying to add weight, Short shifting seems to do the trick.

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Jimi Those wheels I have in the back are usually expensive. I got them on Ebay for $150 for the pair.

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:eek: WOW. Good find!

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Thats a crazy deal Art! Yes the rear wheels will be one of the last things I ever buy for that car lol.

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Since you guys are showing your nice cars, I'll add mine to the mix...I can't believe that I was going to try and sell it earlier this year? What an 18hr-long-flap-jack-short-of-a-full-stack I was!!! This car and I were meant for each other, and I'm glad I had the pleasure of telling the previous owners younger brother, that I made it a star in drag racing @ Bandimere Speedway, just in the first year I started racing it....thus rescuing it from his sister who felt she needed a "Honda Civic", with a 5spd to be cool in her school??? Imagine that!!???

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Guess who was in the other lane when I set the HF/SA record at Orlando?

Arnold Greene! LMAO!

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My old FWD race car from 2003

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-a...124754_860.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-a...24810_5485.jpg

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Well the sad news is I doubt you will be seeing much of my car anymore. NHRA has just added another 2 hp to my Car and it's getting alittle unsafe to be adding 530 lbs to that little car so it can make E weight, and with the new indexs the car can't quite run the new D index so I'm a bit syuck between a rock and a hard place. Soo I might run the car in D in the spring if for some reason the Comp car isn't together. but other than that it's just gotten unsafe to at 530 lbs to a car that normally weighs alittle over 1900.

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I hear ya, bud. I'm 150# heavy for D, and I'm NOT over 500# to get to E. That is just ludicrous. There needs to be 1-2 more weight breaks in there. Funny how it's ok to combine sticks and autos and spread the weight breaks in FWD but it's not good enough for anyone else. :rolleyes: Sure don't expect them to fix it, since they already "fixed it" years ago. :rolleyes: They're probably not even wondering "Gee, I wonder why there aren't as many FWD cars out there any more?"

C'mon in, the water's fine. Isn't it a great example of how great the system is when you take a former #1 Qualifier at Indy and turn it into an index runner? I'm in a similar boat... go -1.000 under in IHRA 1/4-mile, but the 1/8-mile indexes are so ridiculous that I'm back to being an Index runner. Cute.

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Here's mine. In the lanes at Norwalk last spring...

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Just got 5HP back on my motor. Now I'm 240# heavy for D and still have to add almost 400# to get to E. :rolleyes:

Wanted: Driver weighing -20 pounds.

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Got a call telling me they couldn't process my order for the Enkei wheels as they don't make them anymore (uh... then take them off your website!), but all may be well, as after doing even more digging I found an even better fit for what I was looking for, and quite a bit cheaper. Will post if things pan out this time.

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Here are some of the FWD cars I've raced over the years
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...3_418807_n.jpg
HF/SA '85 Sunbird, owned by Billy Nees. Quickest HF/SA car ever. NHRA record holder 2002-2004, 17.30 seconds. IHRA Record Holder 2004-2006, 17.71 seconds. 1.8 liter 110 cid 4 cylinder, 84/85 hp. NHRA obsoleted this car with a single rule change.

http://l9.sphotos.l3.fbcdn.net/hphot..._8332586_n.jpg
Another Billy Nees owned car, AF/S (now BF/S) 1.8 liter turbocharged car, 150/150 hp. Built to run NHRA after NHRA killed the silver 'Bird. 14.11 best

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._7199552_n.jpg
The car I bought in 2006, ex-Tom Kasch '92 Oldsmobile Toronado Trofeo. 3.8 liter 231 cid 170/170 for DF/S and FF/SA. 14.93 best, 100 pounds heavy. Raced it a few times, then quit.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._4341397_n.jpg
They wouldn't let me run the Hemi Shootout at the '06 Dutch, but I showed them.

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I wondered if anyone had ever run that combo. Neat car...

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I haven't completely made up my mind but I'm probably going to quit. After nhra's new afhs it won't be fun anymore.
Anyone want to buy a car that can get whacked half a second in good air?

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Oh come on Art......At least you can control your own index for the most part. Just eat more and short shift it. At least your not in AA, A, or B stock with a 1970/71 Hemi Challenger with the new stuff..

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Hey Mike, that's a bummer that your car is 150lbs heavy for D (I don't feel bad anymore for my car being 95lbs heavy). :(

I'm sure several cars are not racing much nowadays due to those "weight break" changes, but my case is more insufficient funding for racing than anything. My Cavalier's been ready willing and able to do some racing, however my back pocket has said "I DON'T THINK SO GARY"! Living here in Arizona, if you weren't ready to go racing in February/March (for the 2nats & 2divs that are close to home), then you better have lots of time and dough in your hands for the much longer tows to Sonoma & those D6 tracks, Denver (Bandimere Speedway), and/or Dallas...which I didn't, thus why I was a "one and done(er) this year... :(

I wish you and Steve (heck all of the fwd stocker racers) well next year, and if things keep progressing as they are now, I'll be back next year (at least to run 3div.'s like '07, or hopefully a full 5 like '08)??? :)

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Terry I built a car to race it. I got rid of a car that could run 2 seconds under while being 450 pounds heavy.
The point is it's not fun to worry about the finish line every time you go down the track.
As far as the older cars go now it's just a bracket race plain and simple. They punish skill and engineering.
Now the new cars will probably be flipping coins to see which one wins. And the old style cars won't have a prayer. But the crybabies should be proud.

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It *was* 150# heavy, now ~240# heavy since we just got 5HP back... but the new wheels and tires in the back should get me back to 205# heavy... :rolleyes: Back to back testing should give us some real numbers on what rotational weight is worth in these cars. It probably won't be until the end of January, but anyone want to guess what 35# of rotating weight (mostly off the back tires) will be worth in E.T.? I've read anything from 1.5 to 10x the static weight. My previous calculation show about 1# = .003 even in the 1/8th mile... I'm guessing the new wheel & tire combo will be worth .25.... could there be a high 14-sec run in the Turismo's future?

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Rule of thumb, 1# rotation to about 8.5# static.

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Sorry Mike, I focused solely on post #13 instead of #15 as well (which makes it more of a bummer for you too) :( . I hope that testing yields some very positive results for you and your Turismo! :)

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Art I couldn't sgree more. It's just not fun to be worried about getting HP everytime you go down the track. Give me a 6 tenths under car and run it like you stole it.

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Steve with this afhs nhra has the tools to convert all sportsman to brackets.
No reason to spend money, no reason to work hard. And most of all no reason to tear anyone down. Because going that slow they "must" all be legal.

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Very true Art will have to see.

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So put the car in DF/S, and you can work on it to your heart's content... welcome aboard! :D

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Mike

I work on this car constantly. But I am stuck, the limiting point on this car is the carb. IT"S WAY TOO SMALL.. I can pick up over 4 tenths by putting on a bigger carb. I just don't know how much faster I can make the car.

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Steve can you say Vaccum leak? LOL
See you tomorrow. The dinner (the company) is the only reason I'm here.

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Hey Beard I have a 115 lb driver. I want him to drive that car anyway to learn how to drive a BIG CAR even though its 2 seconds slower than his Jr. But wait with him in it maybe 9.30?