What Changes In Super Classes Would You Like To See
Hello All
I been outta racing for several years, and just returned last season to my true love, "DRAG RACING". I mostly bracket race, but ran a couple IHRA Nitro Jams races, and competed in Hot Rod. And to my suprise I liked it, and hope to attend several S/ST & H/R races this coming season. I guess my question is, is there anything you the races see that would make the class more appealing to other racers and to fans. Is there something that you think should be changed in your particular Super class. Do you think S/ST H/R would be a better class with no throttle stop? Should S/ST H/R be for back half type cars only? Must have Stock Firewall and a stock dash? Should the minum weight be raised to 3000 lbs? Should all cars in S/ST H/R have a glass windsheild? I really like all the different types of cars competeing in S/ST H/R. I like the 5 tenths Pro Tree, as far as the Scotty rule goes, I think you should only be able to run 1 super class, if you want to run a 2nd class run Stock or Super Stock, T/D or T/S, or? (but it really doesnt matter to me) The 10.90 index is fine, but so would a 10.50 index too. I allready sold my slow 10.70 motor and have a 9.50 motor in the works, so I can throttle stop too. LOL :) Maybe what NHRA should be doing is putting a maxium MPH for all 3 Super Classes. From a fans point of veiw 8.90 at 190 MPH is not as appealing as a 8.90 at 160 MPH without a throttle stop. can they really tell if the car is going 160 MPH or 190 MPH. It appears that index racing is not for everybody, but I'm sure looking forward to learning more about it. Racing as many races as I can. Having FUN meeting new racers and making new friends. O well my 2 cents not that its worth that much LOL ;) Cal HR 177X |
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simple, take away the timers. Thats it, nothing else, leave the rest alone.
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Cal (and adding your signature to provide your real name is helpful), I've run several Super Street races and really enjoyed it, having a little success after mastering the timers and such. I think the .5 tree and minimum weights are the great equalizer that makes such a wide variety of cars capable of winning and entertaining to watch. Consequently, I think the classes should be left "as is" except for dropping the Scotty rule. Hope you continue to run 10.90 and get to know all the racers, great folks.
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Never go backwards in life, always look for room to improve, move ahead. Taking away timers is going backwards. "imo"
The only thing I would like to see change is someone let me win:) BB no change is better than going backwards. |
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Whatever the indexes, I'd like to see two changes:
1) As long as the index is relatively arbitrary, pick a nice round number. Whoever came up with x.90 was just not thinking clearly. Ever try to explain to someone that 8.898 is a breakout but 8.989 is really slow? Make it x.00. A breakout is obvious. 2) Make the distinctions not based on body type, just on index. Let a dragster that can't make the SC index run in SG, and so on. Have three or four classes (say 7.00, 8.00, 9.00, and 10.00) and just say "run watcha brung". If you have to say that a driver can only run one of these classes to keep the sharks out of the tank, fine. My $.02. |
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If everyone thinks a timer makes it easy JUMP ON IN THE WATER IS FINE.
In the other classes all you need is a bottle of shoe polish. Leave them alone except do away with the Scotty Rule Chip Johnson |
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I agree with Nitro Joe, There should not allow timers in a class that uses time as a base for the class:rolleyes:
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with delay boxes or throttle stops in drag racing. Timers are the single item that allowed big HP and big speed to invade .90 racing. Remove them and we go back to the exact same speeds as 20+ years ago.....and the racing was close all the way down the track usually within 1 car length ......just slower speeds........... Big deal remove delay boxes than racers would use other means to stay green and would still cut near perfect lites.....remove throttle stops and racers are supposed to do what to get on the index? Add weight...use a fixed bolt.....use a high side chip thats a little to low........all the same stuff that was done 20+ years ago. All the big engine builders throw out all their big engines and start building small engines.....How many manufacturers go out of business thanks to these changes...... If there are any changes made they should be PRO-gressive....not Re-gressive........Add a faster class....for those who want to run faster.....7.90 Yea I know they can't finish what they have now but they could drop xxxxx.... fill in the missing blank there LOL........... |
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I think super street is fine. But super gas I feel you could lower the index to 9.50 and super comp to 8.50 and not hurt anyone. Average super gas car can go 9.50 as well as super comp 8.50.
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Good idea about running 8.50 and 9.50. I dont think that would hurt anyone who runs the Super classes these days. Maybe 10.50 would work also in S/ST and H/R. Leave the stops, and delay boxes like you said but those timers need to go away. Its not about what Legend said about it being easy or hard....Its just one more thing to cost more money and like you said it brought the MPH up and made using the large and more expensive engines eaiser to get down the track with. Just another learning curve and more $$$$$. IHRA tried a 7.90 class years ago but it turned into T/D. If you want to run that fast join the T/D guys. Just my 2 1/2 cents from being around it for many years. I know you guys dont pay attention to me anyway but felt I needed to say this. |
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Leave everything alone in HR and SST it works.Along with the Min weight i would like to see a Max MPH of 135.
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One thing I can promise is what ever the rules are I will be out there mixing it up:)
BB just wana race |
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Will they let us know before winter is over, so we have time to build new motors ?
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The index racers don't use delay boxes and timers and do just fine. I say do away with them in the 10.90 classes. Plus make it for backhalf stock style front suspension cars only (No roadsters whatsoever). No tube chassis cars allowed
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If a dragster cant run at least 8.90, it has no business being at a NHRA sportsman event ! Nobody ever said this is a cheap sport , if a racer cant afford an engine powerfull to move his 1900# dragster to an 8.90 ,[ and now days its hard to build a motor that DOES NOT have the horsepower to do that ] then they should go bracket racing, they have a class for everybody. Tom ] |
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"I think the .5 tree and minimum weights are the great equalizer that makes such a wide variety of cars capable of winning and entertaining to watch."
Agreed. In addition, my favorite solution to keep the spirit of Super Street alive is to raise the minimum weight 200 lbs. No extra tech or policing (same scales) and it would make most of the tube chassis cars move to S/G, where they should be. |
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If you guys think taking timers out of class racing would bring the speeds down, I say BBBB SSSSSS....you'll just have people picking spots, counting, doing whatever and then driving the wheels off the cars. Chasing has always been seen as an advantage and people will find a way to do it. People don't setup on a .90....so why wouldn't picking spots and making sure you have room work?
Just stirring the pot...because that's how I roll.... Scotty (Wishing I was the "Scotty Rule" Scotty") Rienschield |
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The ONLY change taking away the timers would make is to make the MOVs bigger. Period. The races would be decided by .10s not by .001s. Big deal. There would still be people in SC going 185 racing people going 160. People with money will still spend it for whatever perceived advantage they can get. |
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IMHO.........
Leave it the way it is for the current classes (10.90, 9.90, 8.90) and make a MPH limit (maybe?) Make a new class 7.90 (any MPH you want)....call it Super Eliminator! :rolleyes: I would suggest weight breaks by Cu.In, but you don't think there would be honesty issues would ya.........MPH is indisputable. Or do nothing at all and we will still go racing without question! |
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And of course there'd have to be software changes at every track on the planet to make this MPH breakout stuff work... |
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Just leave the classes the way they are, IMO. I'm planning on running in Super Street (my first time running a "Super" category), occasionally, and I like the idea of running a throttle stop and all the gadgets that go with it. 10.90, 9.90 and 8.90 sounds good to me.
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get rid of roadsters in sg!
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just kidding
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About 8 years ago we had a dragster that would only run 8.88 wide open and we ran a few S/Comp races and did ok with NO STOP!!! Sherman Adcock said most racers would kill for that we ran about 152mph but we had to look back WAY BACK! We run the 1/8 mile 6.0 and 7.00 classes without a stop and we had HUGE success in 7.00 and we ran a S/ST race against all the stop cars and won it was it luck Maybe but we just moved some weight around and it has worked for us. In 2011 we are gonna run S/Gas with a stop but I'm sure it wont be easy! I would like to see the stops not used kinda more of a seat of the pants deal but we will race either way. Good luck to all in 2011!!!!!
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Hello All
Thanks for your imput, it was very interesting. It really appears that leaving everything the way it is, is the best thing to do. :) I am looking forward to this season. I just hope I can at least go a few rounds here and there. I hear there is a big learning curve in all 3 of these classes. By the way for anyone wanting to know. Calvin Starcher Laplata MD Owner Fas Trax of MD drag slot car racing in Hughesville MD Cal HR 177X |
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