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art leong 12-12-2010 02:47 PM

Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
What's the best brake system to hold the car on the line against the converter

danny waters sr 12-12-2010 03:15 PM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
I have 4-wheel willwood disc brakes w/ master cylinder on my stocker and they work really well .Stop good at top end also ...

art leong 12-14-2010 12:34 AM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danny waters sr (Post 227406)
I have 4-wheel willwood disc brakes w/ master cylinder on my stocker and they work really well .Stop good at top end also ...

Willwood dosen't make anything that can fit on my car. My drive axles go through my front rotors.

Phillip marvetz 12-14-2010 01:34 AM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
Hey Art,
What do the road course guy's use on there car's? Did the neon ACR or SRT come with anything better than stock? If nothing else they may have a better pad material available.

Jeff Lee 12-14-2010 02:08 AM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
a friend of mine makes specialty brakes for these kind of applications. Tell him I sent you!

Brian Hasty @ Fastbrakes

If you don't see what you want, just ask for it.

danny waters sr 12-14-2010 10:41 AM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 227809)
Willwood dosen't make anything that can fit on my car. My drive axles go through my front rotors.

Sorry bout that Art. .....,

art leong 12-14-2010 10:57 AM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 227822)
a friend of mine makes specialty brakes for these kind of applications. Tell him I sent you!

Brian Hasty @ fastbrakes

If you don't see what you want, just ask for it.

Thanks. I'll give them a call. One problem is the SRT 4 stuff is pretty good but you have to run at least a 15" wheel. Right now I run 14" wheels and due to them not making 14" tires anymore I'll need to use 13" wheels

art leong 12-14-2010 11:01 AM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz (Post 227819)
Hey Art,
What do the road course guy's use on there car's? Did the neon ACR or SRT come with anything better than stock? If nothing else they may have a better pad material available.

The SRT4 brakes are to big. I run the ACR stuff. But all Neons came with power brakes.
And I took off the power booster, but kept the stock mastercylinder. It stops fine at the end of the track but doesn't like to stop at slow speeds or hold the car against the converter.
I have new rotors and the organic pads.

Myron Piatek 12-14-2010 12:49 PM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 227842)
Thanks. I'll give them a call. One problem is the SRT 4 stuff is pretty good but you have to run at least a 15" wheel. Right now I run 14" wheels and due to them not making 14" tires anymore I'll need to use 13" wheels

Holeshot Wheels can probably make 15" wheels for your car, but then there is the matter of finding a short enough tire.

jmcarter 12-14-2010 01:53 PM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
Art, what 14" slick are you looking for? Shorter than these even?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MTT-3020/

Mark Markow 12-14-2010 08:20 PM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 227843)
The SRT4 brakes are to big. I run the ACR stuff. But all Neons came with power brakes.
And I took off the power booster, but kept the stock mastercylinder. It stops fine at the end of the track but doesn't like to stop at slow speeds or hold the car against the converter.
I have new rotors and the organic pads.

art if your still using the master from the power brake set-up , i'm guessing the pedal is rock hard. it has to large a bore for manual brakes. when running manual brakes you need to go to a smaller bore, and modify the pedal ratio.
i would get a brake pressure guage, and see how much you get at the calipers. usually 900 to a 1000 max should do. i'll bet now your in about the 400 range? if you want send me a pm with some info on the calipers ,master cyl.bore size ,and current pedal ratio, and i'll try to get you sorted out.

art leong 12-14-2010 11:05 PM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Markow (Post 227947)
art if your still using the master from the power brake set-up , i'm guessing the pedal is rock hard. it has to large a bore for manual brakes. when running manual brakes you need to go to a smaller bore, and modify the pedal ratio.
i would get a brake pressure guage, and see how much you get at the calipers. usually 900 to a 1000 max should do. i'll bet now your in about the 400 range? if you want send me a pm with some info on the calipers ,master cyl.bore size ,and current pedal ratio, and i'll try to get you sorted out.

Thanks Mark. I'll get that info together and send it to you

art leong 12-14-2010 11:08 PM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Myron Piatek (Post 227868)
Holeshot Wheels can probably make 15" wheels for your car, but then there is the matter of finding a short enough tire.

Thanks Myron. The 15" wheels are all over the place. But the shortest tire for them is 22"

art leong 12-14-2010 11:11 PM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 227889)
Art, what 14" slick are you looking for? Shorter than these even?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MTT-3020/

Thanks Jim those tires are 26" tall I need 20" tall M/T doesn't make the 14 X 8 X 20 anymore

art leong 12-30-2010 12:38 PM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Markow (Post 227947)
art if your still using the master from the power brake set-up , i'm guessing the pedal is rock hard. it has to large a bore for manual brakes. when running manual brakes you need to go to a smaller bore, and modify the pedal ratio.
i would get a brake pressure guage, and see how much you get at the calipers. usually 900 to a 1000 max should do. i'll bet now your in about the 400 range? if you want send me a pm with some info on the calipers ,master cyl.bore size ,and current pedal ratio, and i'll try to get you sorted out.

PM sent

art leong 01-02-2011 05:34 PM

Re: Best brake system to hold car on the line?
 
If I leave the same master cylinder. (it has a small bore) but increase the ratio. Will the car hold better?
I have very little pedal now, but it is rock hard. Car stops good at the finish, but terrible driving around the pits. Or coming up against the converter.


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