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http://dragracingonline.com/agent132...xii_12-16.html

I'm not a big fan of the show (I don't particularly like the fact that Rich Christensen changes the rules as he sees fit, but that's probably no different than NHRA), but I know a bunch of people that have gone and had a good time. If nothing else I'm disappointed because it gives sportsman racers one less venue to race at.

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These guys are better at spin than NHRA! "This is one of the most successful shows we've ever done, so we're canceling it." I'm sorry, WHAT?

Time to pitch them on Class Racing... :rolleyes:

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I loved the show and enjoyed the one I went to.
I read somewhere else that Rich sold out to Speed in the beginning to get the show produced. Now he wanted a bigger piece and speed said a deals a deal. So Rich said nope and Speed sadi O.K. BYE BYE
Chip

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I always thought Christensen was a jerk with a good idea... I laughed my arse off when that bike dumped him

Having said that check loser rich out on his new show... foot racing... no not footbrake racing... foot racing...

I kid you not

http://www.footrace.tv/

I do like the "win light" if you can stomach that much of it... No arm drop, some dumbass gave Rich a gun !

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they say Rich went to his first drag race just a few years ago at Byrons power wheel standing event.

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When I first heard about the www.footrace.tv I thought it was some kind of prank, but it is a real joke ... kind of like Rich seems to be !

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Great idea with an idiot for a host. With the Pritchett brothers back in control it would be alot better show.

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I think it has been a lousy idea, a haven for people who are good at fudging the start with no jeopardy of a red light.

That show is up for evaluation,and I really hope somebody educates them that a twentieth of a second advantage on the start is worth half a carlength at the finish, and cannot be seen by the naked eye.

They need reaction timers and a tree, if they are going to race at all. "Arm drops" are NOT a good way to start a drag race. They only did it in the street because they didn't have access to a tree.

To do it where there IS access to a tree is idiotic.

Ditto, the breakouts... Do it right, or don't bother.

Yeah, it was a popular way to race (on TV), but popular with whom? The half-drunk spectators in the stands, or the starting line hole-shot artists who couldn't get past the first round at a REAL drag race???

Bon Voyage to this dumbing-down of drag racing that, like Billy Meyer's "taking drag racing to a new level," chose the wrong level...

My 2-cents....

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Also agreed - every point.

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Maybe SPEED is looking to expand on the NHRA UNLEASHED shows. Or there own show similar to that. I would like it better than the arm drop junk!

HEY SPEED, HOW ABOUT USING THAT HOUR FOR NHRA/IHRA SPORTSMAN COVERAGE MINUS THE ALCOHOL CARS

P.S. Super Class .90 cars too......WITHOUT THE THROTTLE STOPS!

NOW THAT WOULD BE A SWEET SHOW!

Wade Mahaffey

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Yea, but for us weekend racers who can't afford $1000.00 a weekend to go run a Nhra event it was a lot of fun. Yes Rich was hanky and made some bone-head comments,but It brought more awareness to our sport from people who have never seen or cared about drag-racing. I have had more folks than you can count come up to us @ events and said " Hey there's the silver car off Pinks !! Where do you race,we would like to come see a race". These are the people that are going to make or break our sport by coming to the track to see racing live and in person then deciding this looks like fun maybe I should build a car. I hate to see it go away, I do agree it needed a little tweaking, but all and all it did good for our sport and will be missed.. IMO

Chris

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It made good TV, I guess, if you like that sort of thing, but it wasn't really racing, it was a reality show with wheels.

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and a cast willing to pay to be a part of it

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OK, so I guess I'll have to ask the inevitable question, why can't we convince the company that produces this show to do an hour long show on Class Eliminations? Isn't that about the ultimate "Grass Roots" heads-up show?

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About as real as watching a movie about racing. I'm amazed it's going to be missed.

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Because they've been told for so long that class racing is boring. Well, that and they've been told that the average viewer isn't that smart, and class racing is too hard to explain.

Do we even have enough class eliminations at any one event to make an hour of television without excessive filler and B.S.? Class eliminations is often well over 50% singles, or at least that is the appearance it gives.

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You must be kidding. If you could sell that to Speed Channel you could sell ice cream to Eskimos. All you have to do is look at the grandstand when the Class racers begin or look at the Stock/Superstock combo races. As the man said one car in each class when you could have 40 cars all running heads up with a margin of victory of .009. Those shows drew 25,000 to 30,000 spectators and 460 to 540 race cars for two days.

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Ok, ALL shows are just cut-and-splice compilations of an event. S##t, NHRA makes a 3 hour show out of 64 pros every week and they don't have 1/10 of the "personalities" that Class Racing has! It could (and should) be done.

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Billy,
With a normal quota of around 80 or so cars in either Stock or Super Stock, less than half of them will have anything but a single to win class. Outside of Indy, class rarely goes past 3 rounds, and that's normally only 1 or 2 classes.

It ain't that I don't want to see it done, it's just that I'm telling you what the television people are going to tell you. You have about 40-45 singles for class. Then you have 4-5 pairs for a class final in the first round of class, and a couple of classes, maybe 4, that have 3-6 cars,and take 2-3 rounds. You only have about 20 actual races, that last less than a minute per race. So you have 15-20 minutes of racing, with 20-25 minutes of "fill", and that's your 45 minutes of show for one hour of TV.

Sure, you and I find our friends and competitors, and their cars, interesting and entertaining. But most of them are not going to come off nearly as well on television as they are in person.

The production company is going to want to do a show at ONE RACE. And honestly, class eliminations at a National Event may not have enough for them. As much as you and I want it, they're not going to buy the idea that you can get people to watch interviews with class racers they've never heard of for 15-20 minutes out of one hour of programming, including 15 minutes of commercials.

Realize that I'm one of the crazy guys who not only paid the price for an entire weekend of pay per view National Event coverage when they did that, but I taped a lot of it. I'd love to see it done. But it'll be really hard to sell. If a "class nationals" type of event could be staged, where you have 150 or more cars in Stock and the same in Super Stock, then you have enough heads up class racing to get an hour or maybe even two of programming. But I don't see anyone getting enough from one class, with an 80 car quota at most events.

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Larry Pfister, Horsepower Heaven videos. 'Nuff said.

http://www.streetfire.net/video/hemi...-out_30116.htm

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One reason WHY some of the classes need to be combined....stick/auto, 1 lb breaks, etc. class winners only in the eliminator. Get away from all this bracket racing and you might have something for TV. Right now there are way to many classes and to many by runs. OK now yell at me.

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What about a reality show about classracing with one segment being done on how Billy Nees finds these combos with breaks in between of Ron Ortiz selling beef jerky,or do segments on different teams in div 1,div 2 ,div 3 etc. with class runs in between,Surley we can find one team (Teutons,Emmons,Latinos,etc to base a show off of!

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Regarding Pinks and the impact on drag racing, apparently some of you never heard the Hollywood saying of "The only bad press, is no press!"

People don't pay to watch class racing as it is presently. That's why we don't have our own TV show.

You could probably make a show or two on the SS/AH racers and their personalities and the race.

I had an idea (after the fact) that Hot Rod could do a reality show on the quest for the first 6 second True Street car (just happened) as they drive to all the tracks, break their cars with their hopes and dream diminished. It could be a good reality show.

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I can't believe some people think Pinks All Out is not real drag racing but that shoe polish crap we do is. Give me a break. We may be using race cars but we ain't racing if we have a predetermined time to finish.

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The biggest problem that I can see with something like this coming about would be NHRA allowing another production company to film at it's race. With that being said, why couldn't we stage our own race with, let's say 4 or 5 pairs of same classed cars racing each other heads-up with no index or AHFS to worry about. I'll bet that we could get, let's say Haas and Oakes, Armstrong and Thomas, Hawk and Biondo, etc,etc,etc, to go at it on network TV. Best 3 out of 5 and get Terry or Wesley to tear them down ahead of time and weigh and fuel check between rounds. I'm pretty sure that as the show moved around the country we could find enough rivalries and bad blood to make it interesting. Even with 2 or 3 pairs per week there would probably be enough in stories to fill up an hour.
That right there is a lot more believable (and watchable) than the original Pinks.

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You do realize that Pinks All Out has a time bracket, and a break out, right?

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I will miss it as it was nice to see the various tracks around the country highlighted. The show in my opinion went downhill with the leaving of Nate and his brother, and this season became predictable.....low 10 second to mid 10 second cars.....It was also extremely nice to see Dallas before he was in a final at the nationals and Eddie from D-1 along with a stock/superstock car from time to time.

It looked like it might be a very fun time, and even be interesting enough for the entire family to attend.

Its too captivating of an idea not to be tweaked and reborn.

I enjoy passtime more though...

Eric

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I never liked the premise that the finalists in Pinks were determined indiscriminately by how closely they ran. It becomes pure luck as to whether you are chosen or not. To top it off, it is an arbitrary determination as to whether you ran too fast or not.

I believe that a viable production could be made with stock and super stock ELIMINATIONS. The runs don't have to be heads up to be exciting to watch. It's all about the production. Give the viewer a quick lesson in handicaps (so and so will give so and so a head start because he's running a 427 and the other guy is running a 350...blah blah.) Show the launches with the tree coming down and then a quick cut to the reaction time. Have cameras in the cars and show the drivers rowing the gears. Cap it all off with the finish line and a slo-mo replay. I think viewers would enjoy big handicaps and then a tight finish. JMHO.

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I think Billy is on to something. Pinks started out as loose the race and loose your ride. It was more mouth and a joke. Pinks all out became better.

In Billy's idea it can be a small gathering, no points, but still a race and introduce the public to class racing with the finale being say a Hemi shoot-out from Maple Grove. All of this never having to intrude on NHRA's race.

If it sells NHRA will want it, if it don't you still got the word out.

Just .02

Steve

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I'm sad to see it go because it exposed more people to drag racing then any other show.

I don't like Rick because he's stupid, shallow and totally ignorant of racing rules and it's true that to us, it was run shoddy at best, but how many people were reached by televising drag racing that never would have seen it if they had to go to the track.

JimR

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Yes thats true you could only improve maybe a couple of tenths but if you sandbag and dynamite the brakes your toast. ET and MPH had to be close not so with bracket racing.

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What a great thread! Like most of you, I have had a love/hate relationship with Pinks and it's master of ceremonies. In the end I have to give thanks for the positive exposure that they gave to "drag racing". It seems that most of the drag racing exposure that the average citizen gets in the media is from idiots racing on the street and getting hurt. Then it gets called a "drag racing accident". By that logic why not call a mugging a "football accident"?

I think that it's safe to say that sportsman type drag racing has made some significant inroads into mainstream media. Aside from the NHRA National Event stuff (another ball of wax) I like the "Pass Time" show, not just because my Super Stocker was on it (thanks, Troy!). It's just fun to watch and participate but I think that there will be a hole left by the departure of Pinks.

I would like to see a half hour show about sportsman drag racing that had some variety/flexibility. Maybe an anchor crew that knew about what they were reporting on with racing, interviews, car features, history and tech. It could be worthy.

Chris Barnes
Wagons of Steel
Stock 6621

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I threw the idea out there of breathing new life into class racing earlier this year but with very little support. Like Jeff Lee said "bad press is better than no press" which is dead-on. Yes the idea was to create sort of a circus format for our form of racing...but the ultimate goal was to get recognition while having some fun. Bland personalities and arrogance has not and never will sell, unless you have something spectacular to offer. Rich will move on to bigger and more lucrative things. We had our chance, but most "looked the gift horse in the mouth" and walked away.

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You had to be inside a bracket they claimed was about 3 tenths or less. If you picked up more than 0.05, you got tossed. You certainly could not pick up two tenths, by any stretch.

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Actually it was .5 . The reason was Rich's armdrop was timed anywhere between .45 and .55, where a racer can make it up on the drop.

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In Seattle it was .2. Not sure in other places but my son was picked in Seattle so I know what it was there.

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I participated in the PINKS All Out at HRP in Baytown back in October, had over 500 entrants the place was more packed than the National Event. However they ran a quick 8 race and those guys put on a great show then once the smoke cleared and the winner appeared the whole group was told there was no purse that they were running for exhibition only. It sad because they were never told that they were told they would run a quick 8 Chicago style race for them. To say the least that debatical burned alot of bridges down here.

Agree with many of you Rich is a total pin head but with some tweaking it could be a fun racing format.

Just my opinion

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The guy standing behind Rich in the video wearing a blue hat looks like he wants to just hit the moron over the head and take the cash... I bet he has a bigger gun than Rich

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I agree, I kinda liked the concept, but I am/was an unrepentant street racer. Arms, lights, it never did matter that much to me.But rich Christensen can disappear into his new career as a foot race promoter and I won't miss him