68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Trying to decide which way to go with this 6cyl. to run IHRA/NHRA stock class. Motor is a 250 and is original. Should I change crank and rods and run it as a 230? What type of pistons should I use? Header? Converter? Gear? Help me out with any advice you might have, I like to listen. Thanks in advance.
Anthony Walton
Walton Racing Promotions
www.coastalplainsraceway.com

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Not trying to bust up the 6cyl combo because im sure it will run great but why not build a IHRA crate motor? Probably spend half the money and go just as far under the index and faster ET's. Even with a straight 6 your going to have to build a good rear/trans/converter.

Please everyone...im not bashing a 6cyl combo so dont send me PM's about how the Straight Six Mafia is coming for me:D

Dave T you stay out of this!!! HAHAHAHA

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Perhaps he wants to run NHRA as well. Or perhaps he doesn't want to put a roll bar in the car? Just a couple reasons I can think of off the top of my head.

Nothing against crate motor cars, building one ourselves, slowly...

Don't send the C/m mafia lol

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Thought about the Crate motor to start with. Would like to be able to run NHRA/IHRA both if I can. Got the 6 cyl. and like the idea of being chased with the slower e.t., gives me a chance to strengthen my finish line skills. Anybody got any combinations or parts for sale that would help me with this build? I know the trans./ converter and rear are going to be expensive, but thats fine. Not trying to set world records with the 6 cyl. just want to get some seat time at the Divisonal / National events.
Thanks
Anthony Walton
Walton Racing Promotions
www.coastalplainsraceway.com

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Definitely run the 230. It'll make V/SA which is a 6 cyl class, which would be a good place to hide from heads up runs.
Not a great combo though. It can be made to run under the index without a great deal of expense.
There's one "weird " guy here that can help you a lot. He'll show up soon!

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

ok

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Dave hows the new car comming? Post some pics in our section!

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Oh Biiiiiily.

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Hay Ed, No Billy.......is he still hung over from New Years ?

Billy Nees is the man you need to talk with for sure.

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

ok

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

I think you're better off with the 250. 20 more cu. in. and only 5 HP more. Everything else is the same, i.e. head, intake, cam, carb.

Only thing, I don't know if you can add enough weight to run V. If it has to run W it's a loser idea having to run against the 8 cyl. cars. How do I know? I tried it and realized I was beating my head against the wall. But that was way back when 8 cyl cars (damn 273 Mopar station wagons) could run V and when it was a 21 lb. class.

As Mark said, not a great combo. What's weak about it? The carb is too small.

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Mark, as one "weird" guy to another, I prefer "eccentric".
Anthony, you can send me a PM and I will let you in on what you'll need.
P.S. I'd love to see that car with a 4 speed in V/S.

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Bob, it's 15 more hp > 140 factory vs 155
.280 stroke is all you get . Not worth 300 lbs

(same carb on 230, smaller motor)

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

The reason I would not build a crate motor car where you live is MONEY. Unless you have one the lottery you can't compete against those UNDERATED MOPARS. You can't hide from them either because they run nearly every class.
Chip Johnson

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

...

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Thanks guys keep the suggestions coming, I'm on a tight schedule and got lots of work to do. Car needs some TLC before its ready for a 6cyl. stock debut. Let me know anything you think will help me, like I said I like listening!
Anthony Walton
Walton Racing Promotions
www.coastalplainsraceway.com

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

in IHRA the 250 is 140hp & the 230 is 135 hp Mark.....that being said the 250 crank is a good 18Lbs heavier!!!!! THE 250 WILL NOT RUN WITH THE 230 EVEN @ THE SAME WEIGHT! All the pistons that are approved for the 283 are also approved for the 230 ....the 250 has like 3 pistons to chose from....Now then what money do you want to spend???? I can tell you what to buy ....but it's not a cheap combo (if you want to go fast....it you want to run the index VERY cheap)

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

I want to be able to run the index with no problem. How can I get in touch with you. My cell is 910-382-6723 for anyone that has suggestions.
Thanks
Anthony Walton
Walton Racing Promotions
www.coastalplainsraceway.com

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

You're right Mark. I see NHRA still has the '68 250 rated at 155 HP.
My '73 is only rated at 145 and I assumed that would be accross the board.
In that case, yes the 230 would be a much better choice.
IHRA has only a 5 HP difference between the two motors.
And Billy's right about he'd like to see it with a 4 speed.
When I changed my '69 Nova from an automatic to a stick, it picked up .5ths & a little over 2 MPH. And that was going to a 3 speed manual. The Camaro is allowed a 4 speed.

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Anthony.......here's the deal.........if you don't contact Billy, then there's nothing else to say, because he's not only the first word or last word on the Chevy six for stock......HE'S THE ONLY WORD...........period..........contact him, now!!!!!!

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Why do people claim crate engines are cheaper? Don't they require the same building protocol as a regular stocker engine or aren't you allowed to touch them up? I realize some of the regular stocker castings can get spendy but where else is the savings?

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Ok, I am going to call Billy Nees. After a few months hopefully I will be at a Div.9 race ripping it up with the rest of you Stockers. Thanks for all the advice guys it is much appreciated! Now the original color was....Corvette Bronze......Yay or Nay? I kinda like the color with the right set of wheels!
See ya the track
Anthony Walton
Walton Racing Promotions
www.coastalplainsraceway.com

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Good luck with your combo. I ran a 250" in a '71 Nova in U back in the day. It was a tough task to get that thing to run under. You're on the right track by contacting Billy. He's forgotten more about Chevy sixes than I ever knew. Mark is right about the carb being the weak link. That little monojet has a tough time feeding that engine, especially in the hot, humid air you'll encounter in the south.

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Good luck with the stocker Anthony. Is that the dark blue Camaro you raced a while ago?

Corvette Bronze looks great on a first gen Camaro, especially with a black bumble bee strip imo.

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Thanks Bob.
Yeah Michael its the same camaro I ran for years. I have had that car for 23 years now. Wow I'm getting old! When I got the car it had the 6 cyl. and I'm ready to try something different, so I figured why not Stock. I might change my mind back, but who knows. I have all the matching #s parts for the car and one day it might go back to that, 250, 3-speed it was when I got it. But not for now!
See ya
Anthony Walton
Walton Racing Promotions
www.coastalplainsraceway.com

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Same rules, same bottom ends but a 330hp Vortec head (255hp pickup truck head) will blow a Camel Back head (295/300hp head) out of the water. So the heads, which is probably the most exspensive thing to build, only needs a good valve job and they are good to go. And yes I know everyone in stock has "stock" heads.:rolleyes:

Basically a 96 and up Vortec motor from a pickup truck with a cam and intake will run the index with ease....will a bone stock 230 or 250 6 cyl with a cam run the index...probably not. Only reason I know this is because I have done it...my street car is 100% stock legal and it has a freshened 97 chev vortec with the smallest comp dual energy cam and it runs 11.90's which is like 2 under the index with a cam thats 30 degrees in duration too small.

Just my 2 cents. If I could run a 3 speed with a 327/275 or 350/295 I would have a real stocker motor in my car right away. Untill then the crate motor fits the bill.

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

x2....lol

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Billy what class would a 67 camaro rag top fit with a 230 4 speed just think about having some fun thanks.

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Hi Sterling, 67 Camaro 230 uses a different carb but the size is about the same. Ya know it'll need a rollbar! Runs V.

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Billy roll bar its a 67 rs rag top 3 point work

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

I think that it has to be at least a 6 point. Umm, Sterling, are you feeling OK? I've seen this car.

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Billy must be the snow and ice.

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

I thought a 67 would have to run a 3-speed?

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Wow Greg, you're right, in 67 230 is 3 speed only but 250 is 4 speed (engine code LN). 68s and 69s can be 4 speeds with 230.
I DO know it all, I just can't remember it all at once!

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Six cylinder Chevy II - Steve Tarence - final round at Indy 1978 - go to 6:30 in this video:

Tarence and Holben

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Anthony,
The U/SA index is waaaaaaaaaay to tough to tackle. Use the 230 and run it in V. This is a much better choice. Give me a call.
Take care,
Chris Hardy
231-740-5862

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Pretty sure you can still use a Lakewood style hoop, back brace, and a side bar.
That's four pts (without using my thumb!)

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Tarrance's car was a 194

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

Anthony, are yu working on the Camaro, I've come across a 67 with the 230 and powerglide that's all original. It would make a great V/Stock, just wondering how yours might be coming.

Re: 68 Camaro 6cyl. stocker need help!
 

How does one find the HP/factor on cars for the IHRA side?