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283nova 01-09-2011 09:43 AM
el-camino ever done?
 
anybody ever run an el-camino in stock or SS ?? my biggest qunadry is that they probably dont hook for nothing.

Rich Biebel 01-09-2011 10:07 AM
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I can recall one that was a 396 / manual trans way back in the late '60's. It tended to spin the tires more than others and liked to leave the line more sideways than most...

This was on 7" slicks and starting lines were asphalt....

west coast 01-09-2011 10:14 AM
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Mark Faul has one. He has won many of races with it as well as a divisional champ in it I believe.

283nova 01-09-2011 10:18 AM
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thats good to know, i just dont recall seeing alot of pictures of them. have a chance to pick up a 68 was thinking 396/4 speed stocker :D

Bob Don 01-09-2011 10:21 AM
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V/SA 15.80 14.399 -1.401 5159 Bob Shaw Sedalia MO 85 El Camino DIV 3 N/O MADISON

thomas sheehan 01-09-2011 10:58 AM
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Gary Faul from 2009....

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ryd6kent09.jpg

CycloneFE 01-09-2011 11:40 AM
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Check into autoimagery.com

https://www.autoimagery.com/store/cg...12&sortfiles=2

Larry Hodge ran one and I believe it went to the Ficklers, not sure if they still have it.

gsa612 01-09-2011 11:47 AM
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There is a red 68-69 sm. blk. in div.6 in stock, kennedy?. Runs in the nat. open series. gsa612

The Hawk 01-09-2011 01:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CycloneFE (Post 232260)
Check into autoimagery.com

https://www.autoimagery.com/store/cg...12&sortfiles=2

Larry Hodge ran one and I believe it went to the Ficklers, not sure if they still have it.
That`s the one Bob Shaw ran.

The Hawk 01-09-2011 01:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gsa612 (Post 232263)
There is a red 68-69 sm. blk. in div.6 in stock, kennedy?. Runs in the nat. open series. gsa612
If I`m not mistaken,that`s the same vehicle Stan Hawes won Stock with at the World Finals in 2000.

John Kelley 01-09-2011 02:51 PM
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Dennis Paz from Stockton,Calif runs a '65 El Camino in GT/MA.
He also runs a Willys puckup in S/G & S/ST.......he's been racing fo years. A regular at Sacramento Raceway.

BobUnkefer 01-09-2011 03:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CycloneFE (Post 232260)
Check into autoimagery.com

https://www.autoimagery.com/store/cg...12&sortfiles=2

Larry Hodge ran one and I believe it went to the Ficklers, not sure if they still have it.
They still have it, just needs to be re-wired, right Kyle?

:-)

Unk

Bob Bender 01-09-2011 08:54 PM
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There was one in Div. 1 in the early 80`s but cant remember who............

thomas sheehan 01-10-2011 12:05 AM
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Dennis Paz SS/MA sonoma 2010.... (toby lang pic???)

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...nnissono10.jpg

Mark Faul 01-10-2011 02:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thomas sheehan (Post 232253)
I miss racing this car! Anyone wanna buy a 1996 Grand Am rolling so I can take engine/trans and go back to the old girl? ;o)

ElCaminos actually work fairly well. Of course mine was a 283/PG so not a ton of torque.

bill dedman 01-10-2011 04:51 PM
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Dunno if anybody else will remember this, (and this is, at best, second-hand information) but, before the whole "hydro in a sedan delivery" debacle got started (I saw my first one in1965) somebody on the West Coast with NHRA's blessing, campaigned a 1st-generation El Camino with a triple-carbureted, 348-powered /hydramatic Stocker, and I believe that might have been the first NHRA-approved hydro-in a Chevy "truck" racecar in Stock Eliminator. I THINK I saw it at the 1962 Indy Nationals, and it was red.

Can anyone confirm this? I'm pretty sure it must have been Indy, because I was living in Arkansas at that time; not going to the Coast for races back then. The next time I saw mention of a "Hydramatic/Chevy," was when the national record for H/SA was set in 1965 by a team from Washington-stste (Anglin-Clark-VanDill). They had the e.t. record while Marv Ripes had the MPH with his Powerglide car. That's when the fight started...lol!!.

X-TECH MAN 01-10-2011 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bill dedman (Post 232463)
Dunno if anybody else will remember this, but (and this is, at best, second-hand information) but, before the whole "hydro in a sedan delivery" debacle got started (I saw my first one in1965) somebody on the West Coast with NHRA's blessing, campaigned a 1st-generation El Camino with a triple-carbureted, 348-powered /hydramatic Stocker, and I believe that might have been the first NHRA-approved hydro-in a Chevy "truck" racecar in Stock Eliminator. I THINK I saw it at the 1962 Indy Nationals, and it was red.

Can anyone confirm this? I'm pretty sure it must have been Indy, because I was living in Arkansas at that time; not going to the Coast for races back then. The next time I saw mention of a "Hydramatic/Chevy," was when the national record for H/SA was set in 1965 by a team from Washington-stste (Anglin-Clark-VanDill). They had the e.t. record while Marv Ripes had the MPH with his Powerglide car. That's when the fight started...lol!!.

I remember the El Camino from an old Hot Rod Magazine but I dont remember the owner/drivers name. It was either a 59 or a 60 model. They considered the El Camino to be a truck for the reason to allow the hydo.
Mybe someone like Chuck Norton will remember or it might come to me later.

pauldilcher 01-10-2011 05:17 PM
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Might be Ed Holman.

Ed Fernandez 01-10-2011 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pauldilcher (Post 232473)
Might be Ed Holman.
If Pappy says so,then it is.:>):>):>)

X-TECH MAN 01-10-2011 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pauldilcher (Post 232473)
Might be Ed Holman.
No....that wan't the name. I will try to find the mag.

GTX JOHN 01-10-2011 07:54 PM
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I sem to recall fuzzily that the Lady that pitted us for many year and died several years ago to Cancer..........won class back in the 50's with her El Camino and was the first women to do so in NHRA History. Does anybody else recall the Lady or Her Car? My memory is not what it was... Seems like her first Name was Roberta and she was a icon at the track nearly forever.

John Irving

X-TECH MAN 01-10-2011 08:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pauldilcher (Post 232473)
Might be Ed Holman.
Paul and Bill....The guy who had the El Camino was Mike Schmitt of "The Desert Fox" fame who used to run a AA/SA 64 Ford Galaxie. . It was a 1960 Model El Camino and he won the C/SA class at the 1961 Nationals.

Ed Fernandez 01-10-2011 08:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 232526)
Paul and Bill....The guy who had the El Camino was Mike Schmitt of "The Desert Fox" fame who used to run a AA/SA 64 Ford Galaxie. . It was a 1960 Model El Camino and he won the C/SA class at the 1961 Nationals.
Why didn't you know that Dilcher?

X-TECH MAN 01-10-2011 09:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GTX JOHN (Post 232505)
I sem to recall fuzzily that the Lady that pitted us for many year and died several years ago to Cancer..........won class back in the 50's with her El Camino and was the first women to do so in NHRA History. Does anybody else recall the Lady or Her Car? My memory is not what it was... Seems like her first Name was Roberta and she was a icon at the track nearly forever.

John Irving
There was a lady named Marilyn Clark who won the B/SA class at the 1960 Nationals in Detroit driving a 1957 Chev. Could this be her ???????

X-TECH MAN 01-10-2011 09:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 232526)
Paul and Bill....The guy who had the El Camino was Mike Schmitt of "The Desert Fox" fame who used to run a AA/SA 64 Ford Galaxie. . It was a 1960 Model El Camino and he won the C/SA class at the 1961 Nationals.
P.S. The engine in the El Camino was a 348 with 3 carbs.

Jack McCarthy 01-11-2011 01:46 AM
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of course a 59 is now LEGAL (as is 60) el camino... 283 or 348 U - PICK !!!

captain jack

hey can i just cut off the top of my wagon ??????????

bill dedman 01-11-2011 03:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 232541)
Terry wrote:
The engine in the El Camino was a 348 with 3 carbs.
Earlier in the thread, I wrote: "campaigned a 1st-generation El Camino with a triple-carbureted, 348-powered /hydramatic Stocker"

Terry, thanks a lot for all that information!!! I well remember the DESERT MOTORS '64 427 AA/SA car but had NO IDEA of the connection to the El Camino that started the HydraMatic dance that ended so badly,,,,

Can you imagine the profound effect this ensuing Hydro debacle had on Mike Schmitt, his having started the whole thing? At one time, in about 1970, every Stock Class record from about E/SA down to the bottom Automatic class (N/SA???) was held by some sort of Chevy/Hydro combination. Hell, there were '57 Fuelie motor (283 HP) sedan deliveries in profusion...

Marvin Ripes must have gotten a huge kick out of it when NHRA finally said, "NO MORE!!!"

bill dedman 01-11-2011 06:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bill dedman (Post 232609)
Earlier in the thread, I wrote: "campaigned a 1st-generation El Camino with a triple-carbureted, 348-powered /hydramatic Stocker"

Terry, thanks a lot for that information!!! I well remember the DESERT MOTORS '64 427 AA/SA car but had NO IDEA of the connection to the El Camino that started the HydraMatic dance that ended so badly,,,,

Can you imagine the profound effect this ensuing Hydro debacle had on Mike Schmitt, his having started the whole thing? At one time, in about 1970, every Stock Class record from about E/SA down to the bottom Automatic class (N/SA???) was held by some sort of Chevy/Hydro combination. Hell, there were '57 Fuelie motor (283 HP) sedan deliveries in profusion...

Marvin Ripes must have gotten a huge kick out of it when NHRA finally said, "NO MORE!!!"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
Er, Bill; I think the gentleman in question's name was "Schmidt," not "Schmitt."... not that it matters, now, 45 years later....

thomas sheehan 01-11-2011 07:55 AM
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I can't find a pic of Schmidt's el camino but here is a shot of the Desert Motors car (restored)....

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...tks/desert.jpg

pauldilcher 01-11-2011 05:57 PM
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ED , I never said I was smart ------ just old .

danny waters sr 01-11-2011 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by pauldilcher (Post 232721)
ED , I never said I was smart ------ just old .
Should of had some Hillbilly chicken a little earlier in life !! lol

djm670 05-06-2022 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 232541)
P.S. The engine in the El Camino was a 348 with 3 carbs.
Know this is an old thread.. But the picture of him was on facebook just this past week https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid...84167151883266

It looks to me that C/SA back in 1961 was 11.89-12.49 lbs/hp. It looks like the only engine that fits this break in the el camino was the single 4 barrel carter at 305 horsepower. What am I missing?

Dallas Kelly 05-06-2022 06:23 PM
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I believe that Butch Leal ran an El Camino combination on the west coast prior to joining the Mickey Thompson organization.

Mark Yacavone 05-06-2022 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 283nova (Post 232248)
thats good to know, i just dont recall seeing alot of pictures of them. have a chance to pick up a 68 was thinking 396/4 speed stocker :D
I wonder how the o/p is doing on his stick shift Elky?
Probably not much better than all the stick BBC Novas that were gonna get built ;-)

Chuck Norton 05-08-2022 11:53 AM
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I sem to recall fuzzily that the Lady that pitted us for many year and died several years ago to Cancer..........won class back in the 50's with her El Camino and was the first women to do so in NHRA History. Does anybody else recall the Lady or Her Car? My memory is not what it was... Seems like her first Name was Roberta and she was a icon at the track nearly forever.

John Irving
Roberta Leighton. Also remembered for her '65 Impala convertible Super Stocker, "Red, White, and Roberta.

Terry Witzel 05-08-2022 01:50 PM
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Wiley Cossey in the Casler Tire Service E/S 1959 El Camino at the 1965 Winternationals.

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...y-jpg.4538990/

Dan Bennett 05-09-2022 10:51 PM
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Somebody please help my aging mind... Was Casler just the soft rubber retreads or did they eventually make their own tires?

Floyd Staggs 05-10-2022 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Bennett (Post 661245)
Somebody please help my aging mind... Was Casler just the soft rubber retreads or did they eventually make their own tires?
Retreads. A lot of people ran them back in the day. I did on my Corvette.

Greg Reimer 7376 05-12-2022 11:07 AM
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My experiences with a 348 and a 4 speed included more broken differentials and drive line parts than I cared to think about. Those pictures of 348 powered El Caminos and all at Pomona are neat, but how many spare third members did a race team need to get through a race like Pomona? You had to ride the clutch and drive the car out of the hole in order to get to the finish line. Any attempt to leave hard usually resulted in bad noises coming from the back of the car.

Tom P 05-14-2022 06:39 PM
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Was that Wiley Cossey ElCamino blue by any chance?

Years ago at Bakersfield HotRod Reunion there was a blue 59 triple carb , 4 speed El Camino for sale quite cheap. Looked like it'd been parked for years.

If I wasn't a Ford diehard i'd have bought it. I had a 67 Ranchero 390, 4 speed and looked at making a Stocker of it, but it's not in the guide.
Compared to a regular Fairlane it's 3" shorter wheelbase and the extra 100lbs is all in the back, double walls, tailgate, etc. I'd imagine an ElCamino is the same way compared to a Chevelle, if not in wheelbase then the extra weight out back.


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