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Andys dad 01-12-2011 12:10 AM

V10 - has it been to quiet
 
OK how upset can/should I be?

I thought sure ours (#5) would be done by the beginning of February.

I was recently told by the MOPAR that there will be a 6 week delay in starting the builds. So the start has gone from January 3rd to February14 (so far).

Also, I am guessing "complete, race ready" does not mean it will run as fast as the prototype did at Milan (9.40 @ 143). At least not right off the bat.



:-) peace

Phillip marvetz 01-12-2011 04:28 AM

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OOHHHHHHHHHH yes it really is to bad your 100k stocker is delayed, BOOH HOOH!

Maybe it won't ever get built, now that would be something...........

Jason Fuller 01-12-2011 07:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz (Post 232795)
OOHHHHHHHHHH yes it really is to bad your 100k stocker is delayed, BOOH HOOH!

Maybe it won't ever get built, now that would be something...........

$100,000......How many races do you have to win to regain your ego after dropping that much money?

Billy Nees 01-12-2011 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Fuller (Post 232797)
How many races do you have to win to regain your ego after dropping that much money?

Hey Kid! Didn't you get the memo? We're not supposed to be doing this to make money anymore! It's all about having fun and being with our friends and family. (He typed with the tip of his tongue laying on his keyboard and what's left stuck in his cheek!)

SSDA Hemi 01-12-2011 08:44 AM

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Welcome to my world, I thought waiting and racing went together....

And I thought we were spending big money for our love of the sport, having a good time and just enjoying life!

John K

Ron E 01-12-2011 09:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz (Post 232795)
OOHHHHHHHHHH yes it really is to bad your 100k stocker is delayed, BOOH HOOH!

Maybe it won't ever get built, now that would be something...........

Phillip, easy now. The only problem anybody should have with any of the new cars is getting the factors corrected.
You can find plenty of $200K toter homes hauling super gassers around. Just sayin...

cad 01-12-2011 09:12 AM

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What is the delay?

Ed Wright 01-12-2011 09:47 AM

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I don't care what they spend as long as they get factored correctly, and soon. A lot of people that weren't fast suddenly will be after they write the checks. They will cry when somebody that can run fast takes one and takes a hp hit. After it all settles out (probay a couple of years) the slow guys will be slow again.

X-TECH MAN 01-12-2011 09:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron E (Post 232803)
Phillip, easy now. The only problem anybody should have with any of the new cars is getting the factors corrected.
You can find plenty of $200K toter homes hauling super gassers around. Just sayin...

More than $200,000 and not to mention the 2 complete race cars in the stacker trailer !

herbjr 01-12-2011 10:11 AM

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I love how people bitch about how much someone else spends racing. I cant afford a Drag Pack but I wont bitch at anyone for having one. How much do you think a fast 1.25 under ABC or D stocker would cost to build 2 years ago. I know more than one guy who has over 75K in their but again thats their choice. Get in where you fit in and dont bitch because someone can fit a little more $$$ in their operation. I guess you guys are looking for an OBAMA handout to go fast. Congrats on anyone who has the money to do this sport the way they please.

Herb Jr

Andys dad 01-12-2011 10:15 AM

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Alright some lively dialogue again

I wondered where you guys have been all winter - hibernation no doubt

BTW - our car has never been slow - 10.29 in B/SA at Pomona

Oh I know it is not as fast as you guys that are going to get HP like us for going 1.20 under - LOL

Let the real cars show up for a change instead of holding back to protect HP

And.. I have well over $50k in it - just not all at once

OK let the bashing begin a new

I got to tell you I find this website very entertaining


:-) peace

Jeff Teuton 01-12-2011 12:43 PM

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To whom it may concern: My ego is doing just fine, just in case you were concerned.

Phillip marvetz 01-12-2011 01:19 PM

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Glad to be of service.

Next....

skills 01-12-2011 01:37 PM

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Happy New Year everybody. Hey Andy's dad congrats on a new v-10, hopefully their will be some at Englishtown or Maple Grove this year. I like the new stuff, but still do enjoy the older cars. I would hope they will get stock and super stock worked out I enjoy the class racers in all classes. Why isnt Dodge using the Challenger in Pro Stock? The avenger....please.

Chris Barnes 01-12-2011 04:51 PM

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I think the home made old cars cost more than we want to admit, especially for the fast ones. The most glaring omission is labor. The math gets fuzzy fast but even allowing ten bucks an hour adds up fast at the bottom line. I simply do not want to know how much my C/SA car has cost.

What are the comparative maintenance costs between the new cars and the old ones?

Chris Barnes
Wagons of Steel
Stock 6621

CBS 01-12-2011 06:05 PM

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Go all that way and just race 1 car.....unheard of.....lol

Most guys would have 2 if they could afford it........

and most guys would have a motorhome and stacker if they could afford it....

I like the comment Terry made.....a stacker with a super gasser in....like that's a piece of you know what.......(you need to make a pass in mine Terry)

Think about it....if you can build the stuff and buy it ....you can have twice as much....lol

I'm on the Jeff Tueton Plan.....I just need more money....lol

Rock Haas

X-TECH MAN 01-12-2011 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CBS (Post 232922)
Go all that way and just race 1 car.....unheard of.....lol

Most guys would have 2 if they could afford it........

and most guys would have a motorhome and stacker if they could afford it....

I like the comment Terry made.....a stacker with a super gasser in....like that's a piece of you know what.......(you need to make a pass in mine Terry)

Think about it....if you can build the stuff and buy it ....you can have twice as much....lol

I'm on the Jeff Tueton Plan.....I just need more money....lol

Rock Haas


CBS......Never meant it that way....In fact I was thinking about a S/S and a stocker in a stacker when I typed that.....LOL. Im like you and Jeff.....Just wished I had some more money.
Have to admit the fastest pass I ever made was in a friends S/C car (rear engined dragster) that ran about 168 MPH but that was about 20 years ago. Id like to make a pass in your SS/DA better.

Rich Biebel 01-12-2011 08:55 PM

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[QUOTE=X-TECH MAN;Have to admit the fastest pass I ever made was in a friends S/C car (rear engined dragster) that ran about 168 MPH but that was about 20 years ago. .[/QUOTE]

20 years ago (1991) there weren't to many 168 mph S/C cars.....and that included when they were wide open. Timers were not widely used yet........most people used plate stops or a bolt.........average S/C car went 155

Bracket dragsters were mostly 8 second cars and very few ran much better than 160....

So if you went 168 in 1991 in a dragster that was a pretty fast car for the era

borninamopar 01-12-2011 09:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 232856)
To whom it may concern: My ego is doing just fine, just in case you were concerned.

Jeff, I met you and Joe years ago, and you probably wouldn't remember me anyway, and I rightfully probably don't have enough knowledge to say this, but how can a 360 DP or a v-10 DP even qualify as a stocker? I am a damn mopar fanatic and I have more than a few older cars and have a 2009 R/T and my daughter drives a 2010 R/T, but I sure as hell have never seen a 360 or v10 for sale on any dealers lot, and the dealer we buy all are vehicles at said there are no such cars except DP's. I am just starting to get back into this after years of working my tail off so that I can retire early and go racing again. But, don't these DP cars go contrary to the basic principals of a stock race car? I mean we need all the help we can get to beat up on the Fords and Chevvies, but to me it sorta goes against the basic rules of the game.

Ed Wright 01-12-2011 10:04 PM

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Your gonna hear it now. Lol

X-TECH MAN 01-12-2011 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Biebel (Post 232951)
20 years ago (1991) there weren't to many 168 mph S/C cars.....and that included when they were wide open. Timers were not widely used yet........most people used plate stops or a bolt.........average S/C car went 155

Bracket dragsters were mostly 8 second cars and very few ran much better than 160....

So if you went 168 in 1991 in a dragster that was a pretty fast car for the era

Very true......A lot were only 158-160 or so. It was really in 1992. The car now has a 4 link and runs a new 632 alum block and runs 7.40's. Money brackets only. OK....he is nuts ! LOL It had a 496 inch and a 532 from time to time back then with GOOD heads that I did for it at the time on alcohol and a Rupert carb. I think he only ran it as a S/C which was really in IHRA Q/R (still a 8.90 car) once in 1992. . 99.9 % of the time it was a bracket car at Colonial Beach, MIR, and down south at the 1/8 mile tracks. eaiser on parts. I made a 1/2 pass and then one full pass and that was it back then. I prefer a roof and doors....LOL. First and only time I ever used a delay box and was I ever LATE (about a second) . I was use to leaving on the bottom bulb and not the top bulb so guess which I left on. . I still catch hell over that. Thats how I got away with it without having a license, etc. Never again.

CBS 01-13-2011 10:11 AM

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Just busting your chops Terry.......lol

that ss car is a ball to drive.....and the cool part is... it runs like a new car....and its very durable....Super Stock kind of consumes you.....I love it....

I just wish I was a little better at it.....lol

at least I haven't hit anything yet......lol....including my *****

Rock Haas

X-TECH MAN 01-13-2011 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CBS (Post 233014)
Just busting your chops Terry.......lol

that ss car is a ball to drive.....and the cool part is... it runs like a new car....and its very durable....Super Stock kind of consumes you.....I love it....

I just wish I was a little better at it.....lol

at least I haven't hit anything yet......lol....including my *****

Rock Haas

Awwww, I was hoping to make a pass or two !

dynomo 01-13-2011 10:58 AM

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Hey Rock I did see you hit something with that superstocker.......The power window switch

Ed Wright 01-13-2011 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dynomo (Post 233026)
Hey Rock I did see you hit something with that superstocker.......The power window switch

All good Super Stockers have power window switches. LOL

jmcarter 01-13-2011 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 233028)
All good Super Stockers have power window switches. LOL

A very good thing in many parts of the country...like Tulsa. Nothing like hitting a switch when it's 130 degrees and buckled in and then something happens to the pair right in front of you.

Ed Wright 01-13-2011 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 233032)
A very good thing in many parts of the country...like Tulsa. Nothing like hitting a switch when it's 130 degrees and buckled in and then something happens to the pair right in front of you.

Very true! :-)

CBS 01-13-2011 11:54 AM

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I'm not used to cars with roof's.....so the auto switch on the windows....is very important.....

Rock...

dynomo 01-13-2011 02:14 PM

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Why not just leave the air on that street stang we all know that Kyles got enough power in that thing to run a little air conditioning compressor.....you guys are too much

CBS 01-13-2011 06:12 PM

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That's not a bad Idea.......lol

B.D.D.2 01-14-2011 07:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by herbjr (Post 232813)
I love how people bitch about how much someone else spends racing. I cant afford a Drag Pack but I wont bitch at anyone for having one. How much do you think a fast 1.25 under ABC or D stocker would cost to build 2 years ago. I know more than one guy who has over 75K in their but again thats their choice. Get in where you fit in and dont bitch because someone can fit a little more $$$ in their operation. I guess you guys are looking for an OBAMA handout to go fast. Congrats on anyone who has the money to do this sport the way they please.

Herb Jr

Very well said.....AGAIN HERB!!!!!!! To bad there arent more guys on here with the same outlook as u!

Ed Fernandez 01-14-2011 08:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by herbjr (Post 232813)
I love how people bitch about how much someone else spends racing. I cant afford a Drag Pack but I wont bitch at anyone for having one. How much do you think a fast 1.25 under ABC or D stocker would cost to build 2 years ago. I know more than one guy who has over 75K in their but again thats their choice. Get in where you fit in and dont bitch because someone can fit a little more $$$ in their operation. I guess you guys are looking for an OBAMA handout to go fast. Congrats on anyone who has the money to do this sport the way they please.

Herb Jr

And how long and how much work went into getting the old combos to go 1.25 under.
Now you plunk your money down and in most cases (not all) send the car to some shop to get all the "enhancements" fitted in,and to beat all get a 150HP + advantage to start.And in the case of the Mustangs run the car at less than WOT and run amok over all the old combos.
I've been witness to a Drag Pak build over the past year and it in no way does it resemble what anyone in their right mind would consider being a stocker.
Maybe that's why people have a problem with these new combinations?

Dgal 01-14-2011 08:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 233296)
And how long and how much work went into getting the old combos to go 1.25 under.
Now you plunk your money down and in most cases (not all) send the car to some shop to get all the "enhancements" fitted in,and to beat all get a 150HP + advantage to start.And in the case of the Mustangs run the car at less than WOT and run amok over all the old combos.
I've been witness to a Drag Pak build over the past year and it in no way does it resemble what anyone in their right mind would consider being a stocker.
Maybe that's why people have a problem with these new combinations?

Exactly! It is not the fact they are neat, that they are fast, or that they are advanced. It is the fact they were never on the street or met emission standards of the year claimed. The '68 Hemis/Darts did not either, but they were Super Stockers.

Don

Ed Carpenter 01-14-2011 09:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 233028)
All good Super Stockers have power window switches. LOL

Cmon Ed you have to roll up the windows yourself in a real Super Stocker. LOL

Ed Wright 01-14-2011 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by deuces wild (Post 233311)
Cmon Ed you have to roll up the windows yourself in a real Super Stocker. LOL

Ed, I'm too old and arthritic to reach across the car. :-)

borninamopar 01-14-2011 11:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 233296)
And how long and how much work went into getting the old combos to go 1.25 under.
Now you plunk your money down and in most cases (not all) send the car to some shop to get all the "enhancements" fitted in,and to beat all get a 150HP + advantage to start.And in the case of the Mustangs run the car at less than WOT and run amok over all the old combos.
I've been witness to a Drag Pak build over the past year and it in no way does it resemble what anyone in their right mind would consider being a stocker.
Maybe that's why people have a problem with these new combinations?

This was my entire point in my previous post. The DP cars are not stock production cars. Period. I have a 2009 R/T and my daughter drives a 2010 R/T. Now these models and even the SRT 8 are legal for the stock and SS classes. Now don't get me wrong, I am a true die hard mopar fanatic. You would have to whip my *** and beat me down and then throw me in a ford or chevy, and I still am not going to drive it. I have a garage and barn full of old mopars and enough parts to keep them running until long after I am gone...But, that doesn't mean that I support the issue of the DP cars. Number 1, Grandma mopar does not make a Challenger for sale to the public with a 360 in it (wish she did-I love that little small block) or I'd have one. And Grandma sure as hell doesn't make a Challenger for sale to the public with a V-10 in it.
My dad class raced back in the late 60's and well into the late 70's, back when there were no index runs...First one to the finish line won..He got out of it because of all the crap that is going on now...He says it is too much like bracket racing now. Maybe he is right. Just my opinion.

RULER 01-15-2011 02:45 AM

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Look now there is somebody out there that gets it!!! if you can't purchase it off the show room floor than it's not a stocker, if the factorys want to build custom race cars then put them in super stock or create a class for them. Both mopar and ford have engine combo's that wouldn't last a week if ran on pump gas, but it's all about how much and when do we get our $$$.

hemidup 01-15-2011 05:59 AM

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Just face it. It is what it is. Welcome to the future. I can't wait to see a V10 DP go down the track even though it might take some time for me to get use to the sound of a V10. ;).... Still can't see one keeping up with a Super Snake.

I'm more scared of this for our future. Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ukL...1&feature=fvwp

Or...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=369h-...h_response_rev

jmcarter 01-15-2011 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hemidup (Post 233356)
Just face it. It is what it is. Welcome to the future. I can't wait to see a V10 DP go down the track even though it might take some time for me to get use to the sound of a V10. ;).... Still can't see one keeping up with a Super Snake.

I'm more scared of this for the future. Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ukL...1&feature=fvwp

Oh that's the new Chevy Volter, rated by NHRA at 100 watts, only drawback is extra bank of generators to recharge between rounds. Fits only AAA and AA stock so thank goodness I'm safe in G/SA.

Ed Wright 01-15-2011 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 233358)
Oh that's the new Chevy Volter, rated by NHRA at 100 watts, only drawback is extra bank of generators to recharge between rounds. Fits only AAA and AA stock so thank goodness I'm safe in G/SA.

Hope they don't let them in SS! Lol


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