D2 races to include 3 Unleashed classes
 

This affects everyone, please see the thread on the .90 forum.

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=30885

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O-BOY.....Be prepared to bend over and grab your ankels.....Its really beginning now. Class legal stuff keeps getting push out further and further. First it was the .90 cars, then the T/S and T/D and a few circus acts and jokes lke snowmobiles. Now this when you dont have enough time to run what they have on a given weekend.

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Glad I was already planning to run D4

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This is the kind of thing that makes me not miss racing near as much. Drag racing was built on class racing and now its being pushed out because its easier to just run bracket races. Nascar forgot their roots and is paying a price for it now. NHRA is following suit.

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So happy we won't have that crap in Div 4!

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If it happens in Div 2 and brings in the entries it will be coming your way soon.

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This will probably be my last year. May be more of a good thing than I think.

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The only plus I can see is the elimination of electronics in the cars. The driver might have to drive the car on his own. Almost unheard of.

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Didn't I see that a few Stockers won in the Index classes at the Unleashed races last year. Any stocker who actually raced the Unleased Index classes care to comment?

If you could race both Stock and Index, would you campaign a two car team? No electronics and heads up may look inviting to some.

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T/S and T/D were first tested by NHRA in Div 2, now every NHRA Div runs T/S and T/D.




Hey Dan Moore, you're #1. :D

RIP Mark Graham

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Get rid of the TAD/TAFC . and you would have time to run those 10,11,12.classes

I would rather watch heads up door cars than that other crap. (I don't watch the crap cars run anyways)

Hammer

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Maybe if they get people running it they will replace Super Gas/Comp and the use of electronics. As usual all stock ss guys on here complain about something.

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I ran Unleashed at Indy last year in the 10.0 class. The one thing that I didn't like was the 2 cars we watched in the 9.0 class using a throttle stop. The race director warned us all about using throttle stops and even said they would tear down any car they suspected of cheating. One of the throttle stop cars made it to the quarter finals, yet no one seemed to notice his car falling on it's face everytime it launched, running 9.01 or 9.02 every round. I like the heads up racing on a pro tree a lot, I just wish they would make everyone follow the rules.

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Why would they replace a group that does not require the tech effort? There are more of those guys, and they are low maintenance. Why would the electronics bother them? Stock & SS are the expensive (due to the amount of tech officials required) and high maintenance group. That would be the most attractive to get rid of. Nobody watches any of them. TD & TS, and the Alky cars, I'm told, are "the show" at div races. If they are, something is wrong as nobody is watching them either.

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Can anyone say "BILLY MEYER" ......LOL.

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Just what i was thinking Terry.........All stockers and superstockers could finally have their heads - up racing......

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I don't understand?

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Awesome-maybe we will actually see more then 3 spectators in the stands!!! Is this happening @ Bradenton? What's the rules and entry and purse? It cannot be worse then Stock.

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It would sure stop the bitching about the DP's and Mustang's wouldn't it.................The manufacturers wouldn't like that though. No tech (other than safety stuff) and tear down's so NHRA could save on not having the experienced tech crew's. No record keeping of engine spec's, no more AHFS, no complainning about who is cheating and who is not.. No electronics, throttle stop's, timer's, 2-step's (maybe), air or elec. shifter's. No high dollar lifters, no cheated up heads, intakes. Cheaper engines etc. NHRA still can have the chassis certs, memberships and car numbers that is required now not to mention the pre entries for national event's and grading points to enter.
Whats not to like.......LOL. I think the next few years will be interesting.

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Darren, if nobody shows up to watch the Alky cars, TD and TS cars, which are fast heads up cars, why would they pay to watch 10, 11 or 12 second cars?

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It just means that everyone will have a pre determined index to run off of and a S/S or Stock, S/C, S/G, S/ST, etc. will run heads up (your class wont mean crap) but no breaking out like the way Billy Meyer screwed up IHRA many years ago. Be afraid.....Be VERY afraid of your high dollar investments over the next few years.

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Because the average fan (not all) is stupid and only wants to see cars running heads up to the finish line without a handicap start and without a throttle stop and 1000 FT shut off runs.

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Must have happened while I was away running around in circles. Had not heard about that. As I have said, if everything holds out one more season I'll probably be done anyway.

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Ed I don't know, what I do know is Sunshine runs a once a month Heads up race. Usually 20,000 spectators and they had to clear more land for parking. As mentioned it is fun and AFFORDABLE. It's a shame but I don't give Stock Eliminator another 10 years, NHRA clearly is not going to adjust purses from 1980's payout lists. You cannot break even going 5 rounds anymore.

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Maybe less than 10 years. Stock, S/S, and the .90 classed cars do NOT have a corner on the market to act as filler for the Pro car show. Less over head for the racing association and racers. It seems this stuff brings in more spectators.

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Back, because some racers called me and told me I should go read this post. My post about Unleashed and the NHRA got me so much criticisum and even had my post moved to another section of the board. Well I knew it was coming, just didn't really think it would be this quick. This news may be why NHRA is holding the release of their Unleashed schedule.
Heads-up 10.00, 11.00 or 12.00 second racing is not bracket racing all 5, 10, 20 or maybe 60 cars in a 11.00 class will all be heads-up to the finish line with no putting on breaks. And there is a brake-out go faster than your class index and your out.

To the comment about being glad it is not in other divisions, just wait until the first event and the spectators and racers show up. The tracks will get on the wagon.

What a suprise, yes NHRA and IHRA "legal" stock and superstock "class" cars are running NHRA Unleashed, Pass Time and were alway running at the Pinks All Out races.

Boy will it be something if the stands are packed "with stupid spectators" when they call the "Unleashed" cars to the starting line. Would not be a big suprise to the folks who have run this type of race with Pinks All Out in front of 30,000 to 40,000 "stupid spectators" for the last 3 years all over the country. Did everyone really not think that NHRA and the track Owners were not taking notes when an NHRA national event completed with a lot of empty seats and "Pinks All Out" shows up a couple of weeks later and there is standing room only for two day. Need a reference, contact Z-Max Dragway Management and talk to them.

Oh, I know some on here have been been cheering that "Pinks All Out" is dead and gone. Little secret, it will be back "with the grass roots" format that drew so many cars and the crowds of spectators.

W'll see you at the division races and from what I have heard since this hit the board there will be a lot of cars that will be running in the 10.00, 11.00 and 12.00 classes. I will guess that there will be more cars for the "ally"in these classes than most of the other classes in the event.

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You smoking that crap again?

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Well ,i'm ready if it comes to that . I got a 12 flat motor and a 13 flat motor. Man ,just think ,i won't have to weigh or fuel check.... This will be my plan B.......

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Apparently their entry will be $100 to run for $1000/400 so S/ST will pay extra entry to run for less $ and we will pay extra for identical purse ( don't know what kind of contingency program they will have). Everyone has to decide for themselves but sounds like S/ST is getting kicked to the curb and others will follow.

Out with the good motor, in with the bracket motor but geez I hate the dumbing down of class racing, so much for performance based racing.

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Id rather have a 32 or 34 Ford street rod to play with than this. Dont need a big azzed truck, motor home, and trailer to have some fun.

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If both cars break-out, do they both lose? This is just bracket racing with a forced dial, like the super classes. Think about it, if you "go faster than your class index", you will be faster on the score board and lose. The cars left at the same time, whoopee. Do fans really care about that so much it will save racing? This is not heads up racing. There would be more dumping in these classes than during class eliminations!

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How was this allowed from the beginning if the electronic aids were forbidden ?Why didnt anyone complain and have the cars in question DQ'ed? Does anyone know the full weitten rules of what is allowed and not allowed and index breaks of the Unleashed deal ?

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Correct, it is "just like the Super classes"...except for all the timers.

Wrong, it really is heads-up racing. With a breakout, like every other Sportsman class.

Correct, there will be lots of dumping - there was at Unleashed. Just like the Super classes.

What's not to like, except the fact that many of your 632s to run 8.90 and 9.90 would be obsolete in these classes? If you don't like them, don't run them, don't even watch them, start the grill a bit early.

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No throttle stops or timers, Nitrous is permitted. Super Street could be a great class if same rules applied and they ran at National events. Yes there will be whomping at the end but it's better then cars on the stop which is very painful for me to watch and most to understand. I believe big mph will still have a advantage. I'm guessing alot of high gear foggers or big plate systems.

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Lord, I would hate to think I needed to spray one to run 10, 11 or 12 flat. Big MPH in a car that slow? Seriously?

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12 flat @ 130 mph! Stock converter - 3.08's and a 400 shot!!!

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wrong. Heads up runs in stock and ss do not have a break out, heads up classes such as outlaw drag radial, outlaw 10.5 etc are heads up, they do not have a break out. All this is is what the super classes were before electronics.

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Can you say "Spray @ Dump"...............

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Does anyone even know if those cars were running a throttle stop? Just because they fell on their face didn't mean they had timers. I've done it with my street pickup truck at Dragway 42 for their 20.0* index class New Year's Day. Launch in Low 1, run it up to a certain rpm, lift, let it drop to a certain rpm, get back in it, put it in Drive. 19.97 on the first run, adjust rpm from there. It's not that hard.

$.02,

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F##K Nitrous ! Build the damn thing to run the number and SLIGHTLY quicker. Use a blower or turbo if you want but Nitrous.....No way !