Nhra reinstates Sportsman oildown penalties
 

Well, it couldent last forever. the Pro's screwed it up for everybody last year.
see 4th paragraph from end of article.
http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...op-of-oildowns

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when are you sportsman guy going to get the balls to just say no. Enough is enough

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Gee, ill try much harder not to blow my stuff up now ! Is Dim Light really that stupid or do they just not know how to run us off? No one could be that dumb and still feed himself so that leads me to believe the later.

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you pay 305.00 per event to get treated like this it is the sportsman racer who is that stupid nhra is laughing all the way to the bank on your money.

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X 2, 3, and 4 !

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I forgot to add the part about us being the stupid ones ! Absolute truth.

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Notice the picture Comp Plus used...and akly / a/f dragster. Many times I've waited while they clean up their mess. This is half of the reason the tracks don't want em the other half is the pay out. Ole 112 there appears to still have a SC number so you must be giving NHRA money to. Just wait til some local brings his 98 Olds Cutlass and runs the 12:00 index and spills anti freeze and gets fined the **** will hit the fanthen and that will be the end of that car count.

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still have the s/c on the car but have not raced a super comp race in many years you can check with D-1 on that. kept the number because stupied me i thought that some year it would get better my mistake. next time i renew my lic. the s/c will not be there.

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At least we get 1 freebee.......


Rock

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i have an idea how about all sportsman racers write nhra a check in the begining of the year so if you oil the track you will be paid.

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Well if I blow my **** up I will drive down center across both lane maybe take a few cones I'M GOING TO GET MY MONEYS WORTH!!!! How stupid can they be I guess the upper brain (said loosely) trust does not care!!

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I thought that was what a diaper was for?

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Tommy,
I'm not worried about you blowing your **** up, but it's the fire I'm concerned with, please make me your designated Fireman ! There will be beer involved I'm sure !
Still cold as **** out and I'm pre-packing in the shop. Leaving here on the 7th.
You know what I like about you ?

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I got the balls and had enough past couple of years! Higher Insurance "LOLOL! " and now this again! Hell. I would'nt do divisionals anymore but my pops still likes it. Like the one guy said, Pros screwed it up again, F the fans!

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if we want to run 8.90 and 9.90 i think its about time we join the super comp and super gas circuit in D-1

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Starting to sound better andbetter!!! Chuck you will be swarn
In at Bradenton I will be at Bradenton on Thurs.And yes Chuck you think the world of me !!

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Super Gass Assn. Southeast. www.supergas.com

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I don't like getting fined any more than any one else. But we get a freebie and we have diapers.

So if I blow my stuff up bad enough to get past the diaper causing me to use my freebie and then later blow it up again bad enough to get past the diaper and have to pay the fine, I think the fine will be the least of my problems.

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Maybe NHRA could do something FOR sportsman racers instead of TO them....

How about overseeing the contingency program like it used to be. If a company hung you out on a payment the nice lady in Ca. would step in and get you paid....Her name was Shirley Bunce. She got things taken care of right quick.....The last time I was owed a payment the NHRA person in charge I spoke to was about as helpfull as.... nothing......I am told pretty regularly by Div 1's resident standup comedian :D that payments from some companies are coming on a slowboat from China....:D Thanks NHRA for administering this program so well.......

How about NHRA listens to it's racer reps and makes rules that agree with their input. The reps have unanimously voted to allow something and NHRA Tech decides something different is needed. A brake issue that is well known by dragster racers......Give us a reason with specific examples of how or why it is necessary to defeat something that car builders put in cars strictly for the racers safety....

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Better look out Tommy, I'm running S/G all year, can't wait to line up against you.
I should be in the 150mph range, enough to put that fire out when I come around you.
Only in America !

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Be very afraid!!!!
Last time NHRA had the fines my buddy had a fitting loose on the cooling system and was shut off between the water box and the starting line. He left a few drops and a spot where they stopped him and shut him off that was no bigger than a coffee can. It was cleaned up with a mop only and I ran right behind him so I saw exactly what happened.
He was fined for that.
He questioned it as it did not take any cleanup equipment other than a mop and it was not at the starting line or past it.
No Luck!!!
He had to pay or not register at any other race until he did as per the letter he received.
This is the same old story NHRA need cash and the sportsman categories are a cash cow that they are milking until it runs dry.
NHRA does not want the Sportsman Categories at the National Events and this is an attempt to thin the herd and make some money in the process.
Retirement from this mess is looking better all the time.
I do not need the hassles.
Remember NHRA stands for No Happy Racers Allowed.
I wonder if NHRA would accept the assignment of the Contingency Payments that I am still owed for the fine? Might be a way for NHRA to finally collect what I am owed.
My 2 Cents
Rick Cates

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Not unlike most businesses in America. Like they say, he who has the gold makes the rules.

I don't plan on racing at too many Nationals so this is not too big of a concern of mine. I think sportsman racers that get fined are in the small minority.

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Tommy D - We will welcome you with open arms to the association!!! Between the D-1 S/G Champ and You we can have a Comedy Show every Saturday Night after the BBQ!

Should have a schedule very shortly....Lucky, Tom and I are still hitting our heads against the walls!

As far as the oildown penalties......you almost have to say "BOHICA" - Bend Over Here it Comes Again!!

RK
1198 S/G

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Based on our past ... the freebie means nobody in my family would have ever been fined a dime from 1999-2010.

The new oildown fee could cost Terry Haddock $30,000 this year! Every time I hear Danny Northrop yell POW, I don't know if he's telling me to hit the tree harder or if he's doin a Terry Haddock impression :)

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x2

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Very funny but true.......

Over the years there have been a number of Fuel racers that fit that image. And some went on to stardom.....John Force is one that comes to mind.....there were others that were much more spectacular but I am not naming names.....

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Sounds like the plan for me.
Pat I
Sg1809

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I agree with Rock. We do get a freebee. This is better than the first go-round. And the Alcohol cars get a bigger fine for what they do. Everyone should run a diaper regardless of class, ET or MPH.
Dan

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The oil down rule should apply for the classes that are getting into a national event WITHOUT PAYING!
TF, FC, PS, TAD, TAFC

Why do the people who create the least amount of problems, get the least amount of recognition, and are classified (at nationals) as "FILLER" get wrapped into the same category as TAD, and TAFC.

I say Leave Stock, Super Stock, Super Street, Super Gas, and Super Comp out of this oil down rule, we pay more than anyone else just to show up, why should we get threatened incase we have our cars break!

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because they know you got DEEP pockets.

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This is one of the best posts here especially the" Everyone should run a diaper regardless of class, ET or MPH."
Now with the slower bracket cars coming it would be a smart move.

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Is it better than the first go-round with this idiotic rule? Absolutely. But, all this change did was make it go from INSANELY IDIOTIC to Completely Idiotic. Should everyone run a diaper on their car for safety purposes? Absolutely. But, a diaper does not cure all with regard to the oildown penalty. Blow a tranny and leak some fluid on the track? Penalty. Blow a head gasket and put some coolant on the track? Penalty. Master cylinder leak? Penalty. Catastrophic rear-end failure? Penalty.

And what's worst about this (as somebody else mentioned), is with us you're just adding insult to injury. Shame on me for not running a diaper when I blew my motor up at Atco a couple of years ago, but adding the $250 fine to the catastrophic damage that just occurred to my motor would have been like kicking me in the balls when I got out of the car. Though to be perfectly honest, I probably could have accepted the $250 fine BECAUSE I didn't have a diaper on the car at the time. If I'm adhering to all of your rules and put oil on the track though, I don't feel I should be fined for such an infraction.

Plus, what constitutes a fine? This has NEVER been defined. I've heard MULTIPLE horror stories about guys being fined because they deposited fluid on the track that was easily cleaned up with a mop. Where does it stop? When will they start fining up for dragging water from the burnout box up to the starting line?

NHRA can kiss my *****.

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Because NHRA knows they can get away with anything and you guys will STILL keep showing up and giving them your $$$$$$$$ !

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to all racers especially Jason----an oildown is ONLY oil deposited on the track surface starting from behind the burnout box all the way thru the turn off area IF it requires any type of mechanical equiptment(tractor sweeper etc,) AND it causes a delay in the racing activities----water and other fluids etc are considered an oildown ----any fluids cleaned up with a mop or a rag ARE NOT an oil down!!!!! It's only engine oil/gear lube, trans fluid AND IT/ that requires any type of mechanical equipment to clean it up!!!!!

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EXCUSE ME I posted incorrectly part of the policy---WATER AND OTHER FLUIDS as long as it is not OIL ARE NOT--ARE NOT!!!! considered an oildown

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Allow me to share how this policy was explained to me.......NHRA, rather than implementing a diaper rule on all the classes they just reinstated the Oildown Policy. In which most racers would then install a diaper rather than hand NHRA money via a imposed fine.

Source .......very reliable..................



Rick Bailey

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Quote: EXCUSE ME I posted incorrectly part of the policy---WATER AND OTHER FLUIDS as long as it is not OIL ARE NOT--ARE NOT!!!! considered an oildown

Then it has changed from years past because my buddy paid for a water leak between the water box and the starting line that was mopped up before I ran right behind him after they shut him off. Fixing it was easy just tighten up a Aeroquip fitting.
I saw it happen right in front of me at Las Vegas.
Rick Cates

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Well, if that is the case, then that is definitely different than it was before. Wanna bet that isn't how it is enforced once the races start though? Mickey Whaley was the first to have a fine imposed on him the last time this was enacted. It was for a blown transmission, and he pulled off to the side of the track as soon as it was safe to do so, yet was still fined. I'll bet this is how it goes down this time too, if it ever comes to that (again, the new policy IS an improvement over the old policy in at least we get 1 freebie per year.)

Also, if it is for engine oil only, and I have a standard wet-sump oil system with an oil-retention device, yet still deposit fluid on the track, am I excused from any penalties? If this was done supposedly as an alternative to mandating oil-retention devices, then I should be immune from any fines / penalties if I DO run an oil-retention device. Again, I'm a believer in diapers from a safety standpoint, but why are oil-retention devices REQUIRED in S/G & S/C, but these same competitors (most of which use standard wet sump oiling systems) can also be fined for oiling the track with engine oil?

NHRA can still kiss my *****.

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According to NHRA a few drops of oil like 2-3 NOT A QUART if it can be wiped/mopped up is not an infraction--- however if it involves a major cleanup where they hafta literally stop the racing for quite a while get out the oil dri and sweep get the tractors drag the tires up and down the track get your wallet out et its gonna be a fine--minor drops are OK-that is from NHRA

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I hadnt raced the big car for a few years because i was racing the kids in juniors and my first pass back my oil sender cracked leaking some oil and they were waiting for me at the ticket booth with my fine.I havent went to a national event since then and still havent paid the fine because I have no intention of going to there lame,no fun, over priced,
way too many rules, maybee get one run, be there wendsday night,
SCREW THE SPORTSMAN RACER RACES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!