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Well the booze,bucks,big *icks and stupidity are running hog wild at B-J.

Amphicar-$115K
67 Corvette 427/435 w/17K mi-$220K
'70 Ram Air IV GTO-$100K+
'66 BB Vette-$180+

Earlier a '58 Impala HT-$180K

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Nothing beats cubic bucks. If you have it and want it, why not?

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Ed, I have also been watching and it amazes me how much money changes hands there.
I do believe the 58 Impala was a convertible.
When the top goes down the price goes up.
I have been to the BJ several times and it is almost the best car show I have ever been to.
I never did buy a car there but it is fun to watch the cars and bidders.
The Hershey Pa. swap meet and car show is probably my pick for best show.
Just My 2 Cents
Rick Cates

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Because they overinflate the true value of the cars.Then every a$$hole in the world who has the same car,irregardless of condition ,thinks he has a gold mine.That's why.
You said you feel for us NHRA racers who are getting hosed by the board,well how about the average,true car guy,who's getting indirectly hosed by these rich,drunk,stupid
supposed "car guys"?

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I agree with you. But they have the smoke, so why not.
If anyone who knows the market thinks that B-J sets the standard deserves what the get.

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"It's the automotive equivalent of Jerry Springer. "

Amen!

"If anyone who knows the market thinks that B-J sets the standard deserves what the get.

As Ed said, everyone who sees BJ thinks their car is worth the same and you can't get close to buying anything for a decent price for months after BJ.

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We live in a world of excess. We may not like it, but as some say "It is what it is".

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I guess its like a muscle car fantasy camp for the rich and stupid.

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Mr Ed: I personally bought two cars years ago at a Barrett-Jackson auction. Way back before there "ringers" were in on the bidding and driving the prices of these cars to outrageous numbers. There were allegations of this, but I don't know if they ever proved it. I watched a friend of mine bid and pay for a Shelby GT 500 drop top, and I thought he was freakin' insane to pay what he paid for that car. But, you are correct, in that now because of these auctions that every Mom and Pop that has one sittin' in their barn thinks it's worth a fortune.

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I have to agree this is one great car show.The real market value of a 2007 Shelbygt500 is around $36,000.00.Just tell your friend to drive and enjoy his Shelby!

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Now it's a crime for people to overpay for a car....it's their friggen money so they can do anything they want with it......This is still America ain't it....

Maybe some of you would be happier if Obama had a government agency to look into and regulate car prices:p .....Nah.......I don't think that would work either......How about we just let the market place regulate prices;)......Oh yea thats whats already happening at B-J.....

So if and when we overthrow the government AND NHRA we get all the cars back :D.......

All NHRA members who have paid their dues for at least 20 years...like myself..gets a free Classic muscle car of his or her choice....and all the rich guys who have them now get bicycles made in China....:D:D

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Come on Rich,it's got nothing to do with regulating the prices.It's about a small group of
no brain rich a$$holes spiking the prices because they can.
Go out and try to buy a decent condition model of car that these idiots over inflate and see what the owner wants for it.
I want to see what you'll say this summer when gas goes to about $3.50 to $4.00 a gallon.
I'll bet you won't take that sitting down.

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Seven or eight years ago Barrett Jackson Scottsdale had a big influence on the market. That is no longer the case, if you look at the prices at the other auctions around the country you will find them to be reasonable and in line with the actual value of the car.
Barrett Jackson is a circus and guys with big egos and wallets go to show off. Many of those cars are built just for that auction because of this.

Ed,
RELAX and enjoy the car show!

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Hey ED, your car and mine sould be worth a lot in this market.......:D

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These were 100 pt cars :D
Who wouldn't want a perfect Amphicar in his personal museum.
The convertible 58 Impala was a 348 with a three on the tree.That sounds like fun to drive.:rolleyes:
The LS-6 '70 Chevelle prices are over inflated at B-J
Mecum auction prices seem to be closer to "real world" prices

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What's all the fuss about. I saw cars on Tuesday, Wedesday and Thursday go for prices that you could'nt get the body work and paint for. If it cost too much for a car, or if a person thinks his junk in the barn is golden.....DON'T BUY IT! Comparing it to gas prices is not the same. Most folks need fuel, they don't need a 58 chevy. Everyone on the property shares the same passion "CARS". Some can't build S#@T, but are keeping the culture alive by participating in some manner. Even if they are just attending a big BJ car show, they're keeping what you love alive. It does my heart good to see that there are some people in this country that build some really nice cars. I'm going out in the shop and fire up my ole wood stove. I'll be doing what I do best "build my own stuff". My 60 Corvette was not a "$$golden$$" barn find, but it was a BF for sure. But it will be "golden" when I'm done, and done with dedication, perseverance, and pride!

Wade Mahaffey

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I agree with Wade. There was a Ford Starliner that went for around $20,000.00 on Tuesday that the chrome was probably $ 10,000.00. I will have to say that the Salone cars last night wereover priced, but like the 67 Nova, could you build that car for $100,000.00. Wade or someone like him could, but the average guy that can do some himself and other's to do a lot couldn't. It like the tread about building your own car vs. those that have their cars built, not everyone has the resorces or skills to do everything.

Tom Sr.

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I agree, there were a lot of cars there where the sellers lost their ars.
Someone could really pick up a nice "hot rod" for half the cost it would take to replicate it. Listen to how many times the announcers say "they got the car for free" when they sell a 25K-30K show quality car. I'm sure we've all been there, done that (letting costs get out of control). That goes for anything you invest time and money in....houses too!:(

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Barrett Jackson is built on theatrics and hype. But in their defense..

All cars are put up there at NO RESERVE...
Many cars appear to be either the best out there or close to it
Mecum auction cars are way more reasonably priced and don't look to be near 100 point cars on many. And the bidders look like average people on many shows. Prices are much more realistic.

Ever notice all the big time players at B-J.......Familiar faces ...drag racers, Nascar owners and these people with mega bucks that are always there every year. They drive the whole deal. You can't sell hot dogs to people used to Fillet Mignon...

In the mid '70s I worked in a very prominent auto restoration shop for a short while. At the time the owner specialized in Packards. We had one car that had bills for over $100,000 in labor and parts and this was the mid '70'. There's no way you can restore one of these old cars to top of the line condition without spending a fortune........


I enjoy seeing the cars in awesome condition and really don't care what they sell for. Sure I'd love to have many of them but it's not happening. I have friends with various cars and they do the car show thing. That would not be something I would do.

Today is saturday and the B-J auction usually rolls out the really high dollar overpriced cars tonight.......

The T/K Chevelle from a few years ago was pretty much the most insane price I ever saw......The Car went for over a million and was sold again for 1/4th of that a year or two later.....makes sense to me:D

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One thing you have to remember, B-J is to auctions what Pinks was to drag racing.....A TV show with a lot of canned drama.

To get the TV time cars have to be put up with no reserve. But, it has been proven that sellers are allowed to bid on their own cars and buy them back for a set fee to avoid taking it up the wazoo on a no reserve sale. The only problem with that is the general public tends to believe it is real.

You have the same problem with E-Bag. Shill auctions ruined for the real world.

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Ed - I guess I must be one of those asses - but I really don't care what mine are worth as they're not for sale .But if you owned some of these cars I'm sure your opinion would be different . No one forced any of those buyers to overpay if they indeed did - it's a no reserve auction at Barrett - Jackson ...and yes , I've been there several times to witness the action first hand .

BTW , the circus is coming to town next month - right in your backyard in Atlantic City, New Jersey at the Convention Center - feel free to come as my guest as I have several cars at that auction and I'll be glad to show you around that world .....maybe I'll be able to sway your thoughts on this subject .....or not . And I'm not rich , drunk or stupid . Well maybe I do some dumb things once in a while ............And even you'll have to admit that I'm a true car guy .

Think I'll go out and turn some wrenches in the gold mine ...............

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as compared to last year it apperars even in the earlier days of the auction at bj this week the prices seem alot higher than last two years, i don't see it cause i don't see the economy that much better at all. hey jack ,what days are your cars on the block down in ac next month??

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Jimmie - Saturday February 19 , mid afternoon .............

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I'm with you, Jack. Maybe you can get me a ticket too!

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A quality frame-off restoration could easily exceed $80-100,000, which seems to be the return on most of the high-end cars. I don't think it is overpaying at all. If you can afford it, who cares how much you spend? If most of us sold our racing operations we could take the money and go bid on a nice $30,000-70,000 car. And there are many nice muscle cars sold in that range.

The problem, or negative affect the TV auctions have, is that the guy with the average car compares his mildly restored, imperfect "driver" to a 100-point professionally done restoration. And from 50 feet two identical-looking cars could be anything but identical. Of course not every car that crosses the block at BJ, Mecum, or the others is a full resto, but the lesser cars go for less money and there are a ton of nicely sold cars at fair market prices.

There is no way a middle-class person making an average wage can come to grips, or have the rational, of a guy who is loaded and can afford to drop hundreds of thousands of dollars on a toy. It's no different than average father walking his son through the pits. These guys oohhh and aaahhh over our cars and trailers and can't even imagine having a race program like many of us have. They probably say, "how do these people afford this?"

If you are in the market for a muscle car, what's better than putting yourself in front of hundreds of potential cars to buy? Even if you overpay a little, it's still cheaper than flying all over the country looking at car after car. Plus they certainly enjoy the excitement of the event.

How many people think we are idiots for spending an entire weekend at a track to get what can amount to less than 5 minutes driving our cars?

No one forces anyone to bring a car there, or to buy a car there.

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No problem Anthony - you're in ..............

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I agree with Wade. The entertainment is earlier in the week. After the hammer fell, there were definitely a few sellers behind the tent puking.

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No, this was a white on white on white 70 or 71 Gt500 with the 428CJ motor in it. I don't remember exactly what he paid for it, but it was ***-stronomic dollars. It looks like a 30,000 dollar car to me, nothing fancy, not a show car.

Scotty & Edmond Richardson '69 Camaro
 

I'm surprised I didn't see anybody else mention this car....

Was $66,000 (with fees) a good buy?

Lot: 969 - 1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO CONVERTIBLE RACE CAR

Auction: SCOTTSDALE 2011
Sale Price: *$66,000.00
Year: 1969
Make: CHEVROLET
Model: CAMARO
Style: CONVERTIBLE RACE CAR
VIN:
Exterior Color: WHITE/BLUE
Interior Color: BLACK
Cylinders: 8
Engine Size:
Transmission: 3-SPEED AUTOMATIC
Summary: Edmond Richardson's 2 time world champion stock class 1969 Camaro convertible, real Indy Pace Car, that started life as a real Z11 4-speed Pace Car and still has its original Z11 trim tag on the car. Sold on a bill of sale.
Details: Edmond Richardson's 2 time world champion stock class 1969 Camaro convertible, real Indy Pace Car, that started life as a real Z11 4-speed Pace Car and still has its original Z11 trim tag on the car. This is one of the most winning Camaro's in NHRA history. Edmond and his brother Scott both drove this car to world titles in stock class. It has won countless events and has been sponsored by some of the biggest names in the racing world, such as Comp Cams and Borg Warner. Comes with 12 issues of National Dragster Magazine with the car in it. Edmond is ranked 37th out of 50 among the all time most notable drag racers, which was conducted back in the early 2000's, and his brother Scott is also in the top 50. The car has a lot going for it, incredible race history 2 time world champion, had some big sponsors backing the car, raced by a winning driver and to top it off it's a real Pace Car. **SOLD ON BILL OF SALE**

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Ed, take a look at the links below and tell me that there is not a car for everyone's taste and budget.

I like the first one a whole lot, and I'm sure you do to.

I know there is lots of hype, but it sure is nice to see what comes across the block.

1969 AMERICAN MOTORS AMX COUPE
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=403&pop=1

1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO RS COUPE
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=403&pop=1

1970 CHEVROLET CHEVELLE SS 396
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=403&pop=1

1967 PLYMOUTH GTX 2
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=403&pop=1

1969 PONTIAC GTO
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=403&pop=1

1955 FORD FAIRLANE SUNLINER CONVERTIBLE
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=403&pop=1

1970 FORD MUSTANG BOSS 302
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=403&pop=1

1969 FORD MUSTANG 428 CJ
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=403&pop=1

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On another thread ,i predicted it to bring $60,500 if at the right time and it must have been !!

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Hate to tell you Ed but the end of finding a car on the cheap by an uninformed seller pretty much died with the internet followed by ebay.

I made a lot of money buying and selling muscle cars in the mid-late '80's because I knew where I could find the rust free AZ examples and you could negotiate with somebody for a fair price. I'd then write an ad for Hemmings and wait for a buyer.

Now the deals are much harder to come by because as you stated correctly, everybody has a reference source.

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Kenny- These prices are very affordable even for someone just beginning to collect muscle cars - the '69 GTO was a steal for a restored piece and the Boss 302 was reasonable for sure ....................

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I saw Rick Hendrick buy a car. Announcer said that was his third car he purchased at BJ.
I figure here was a car guy just like us-only he had a pocket full of money to spend. Maybe he had a $200k cd sitting in the bank at .75% interest. Or his stock broker called him with (another) hot stock tip and he said screw it, I'm going to buy a car i can go to the garage and look at, drive or keep it for a couple years and resell it and make money. (Unless he buys a Ray Allen car). No sense in letting someone else have fun with that money.

If I had his money, I'd do the same thing.

The part that I don't like is that I would like to find a 63-67 Corvette that I want to restore myself. BJ has drove the prices so high that I cant find a reasonable priced project car.
By the time I pay top dollar for a car and restore it, the cost will be prohibitive. I won't buy a finished car. Not my style.

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Andy Stone 1102 A/S 1112 SS/C

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Ed my truck is a diesel. It's the only set of wheels I have for the road. Diesel fuel is $3.25 a gallon last time I bought some on Monday. Not much I or you or anyone else can do about the price of fuel except pay up or walk.

Rich people have been rich for as long as I can remember and I have been working for about the same amount of time.....

Something doesn't make any sense to me with your posts lately man.....Your sounding like you took a big step to the left.........Democrats want to take from the Rich to support the less fortunate.......Republican Rich folks point out that this is America......you ain't happy go do something about it.....I pretty much agree with the Republican Rich even though I am a worker bee.....and laways have been. Being rich is not necessarilly all that great if you take a look at many of them.....they just have a lot more STUFF.......

I'm having fun with this so don't take me to seriously. It's winter......boy is it ever! What the heck happened to that global warming crap and where is ALGORE so we can ask him about it......

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The black 55 was his 3rd or 4th of the day. He bought a handful of various cars on Friday, also.

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My best bud that I race with and attend Yankee games with has a '66 or '67 Corvette convertible. 427/435. I put an engine together for him for it. Call it period correct with date codes very close to original I believe it was an orginal 427/435 but the engine was gone. He removed the body a year or two ago and spiffed up the frame and suspension. He rarely drives it........It's like a savings account to him I think.

I also have a buddy with a nearly totally orginal and correct '70 Boss 429 Mustang. I don't think it has seen the light of day in 20+ years. It was once appraised at something like $50K but that was a long time ago......He syas it's his retirement..........

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I have a friend and neighbor that collects 63-67 vettes as well as selling them . He has them from $38,000.00 and up (35 of them )..... All are drivers and some are restored as B J cars ....He would beat B J's prices all day long........

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I have a friend in western Md who was and maybe still is one better known guys in NCRS.
Last I heard he has somewhere north of 45 Corvettes in his garage. They are all 1-3's on a 1-5 scale. I hate show up at his house cause I know what the outcome will be.

I will never forget the sound of that 63 fuel car with the gas pedal on the floor.


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Andy Stone 1102 A/S 1112 SS/C