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smracer2002 01-28-2011 11:47 AM

94-95 Mustang stocker
 
I am taking my wifes car off the street and will start
bracket racing it.I figure I might as well spend money
once and do the suspension right until its time to go
class racing.Car has been 12.60s as it sits with all
stock suspension and lowering springs.
Would anyone care to give me a clue or suggestions on suspension
setup and parts to do this right the first time?
If you dont want to post I would gladly accept a private message.

smracer2002 01-28-2011 12:02 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
Thank you sir for moving to the correct section.

RPM5595 01-28-2011 02:45 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
Make the front end loose. NO bind. Control it with adjustable struts and drag springs. Moroso works good. Aftermarket low drag brakes front and rear. Racing type factory replacement rear control arms,springs, shocks, sway bar. Light weight wheels and tires. Radial slicks if an automatic. Pretty much everything. Have fun!

mopar jeff 01-28-2011 03:03 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
Don't waste your money on the Morosos, unless you want to cut them. They will not fit in that car, and it's not worth your life trying. Take it from someone that has tried. I ended up with a Moog spring that Phil Mandella at PMR Racecars recommended. I think it had a 1400lb rating. Hope that helps, and if you went 12.60 already, it's not anywhere near "Stock" legal.

RPM5595 01-28-2011 03:21 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
Yes, you will have to cut the Moroso springs more than likely. So what? If that is too much work then he might as well give up on building a Stocker right now. They work real well and don't cost a small fortune to buy.

smracer2002 01-28-2011 04:05 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
No, it isnt near legal for class but I figure I can bracket
race it and get the suspension sorted.

It is a mild street engine,but I imagine there is .5 to .8
left in the suspension as it sits.I should be able to run
the 12.00 heads up index classes as we work on the
"legal" engine.

Ken Miele 01-28-2011 06:11 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
smracer2002,

A first name would help, it would the make the conversation a little more friendly, but I do understand if you wish to stay anonymous.

Jay is correct, and the morose springs will have to be cut, not a big deal at all. If you don't want to go that route, a set 4 cylinder fox body springs works great, front and rear. Just make sure you have a swaybar for the rear, very import to help stop the twisting. Good adjustable drag struts and shocks are also a plus.

My experience is the SN95 cars are very forgiving, having run one in super stock with mostly stock suspension components. I ran 11.00's with a trans brake and a small tire, and never had any issues.

Jeff Lee 01-28-2011 06:53 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
Cutting springs COMPLETELY alters the spring rate making them STIFFER, not something that is desirable in a Stocker.
As with everything, do it right or keep it parked.
I agree with the rest of the posts. Work on getting the car to perfection, then ad a legal drive train.

smracer2002 01-28-2011 07:15 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
My name is Chris,Ken and everyone else.

I have a rear sway bar a guy in Carolina built.
I also have one on my Granada wagon bracket car.
Believe it or not it is 1.625 diameter.It was built to see
if it would work instead of a body mounted bar.
It bolts in the original stock mounting location and works better
than I figured it would.

Eibach and UPR both offer a drag spring set that lots on NMRA
guys use and they seem to work well.The UPRs are built by Eibach
according to UPR.

Already have 15x4s and 15x10s with a 6.5 bs with 10x26s on it.
I know it will be a 9x28 or 9x30 when its time.

Does anyone here use the airbag in the right rear spring?

larry dowty 01-28-2011 07:43 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
chris i have a 95 stocker also and i use a air bag in the right rear.

RPM5595 01-28-2011 11:29 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
When I ran my car in Stock I used an airbag and crusher springs out of a 1976 Cougar. Keep in mind though I had a LOT of weight in the back to make 3300lbs. in N/SA.

Jeff, the problem with not cutting the springs is the front end of the car sits nosed up, a lot. I cut mine to get the ride height I wanted and never had any troubles. It had great 60' times (low 1.50's) and did big wheelies for a "N" car. C4 with a 2.92 low. 4.86 gear with Hoosier "short" radials.

Jeff Lee 01-28-2011 11:56 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RPM5595 (Post 236449)
When I ran my car in Stock I used an airbag and crusher springs out of a 1976 Cougar. Keep in mind though I had a LOT of weight in the back to make 3300lbs. in N/SA.

Jeff, the problem with not cutting the springs is the front end of the car sits nosed up, a lot. I cut mine to get the ride height I wanted and never had any troubles. It had great 60' times (low 1.50's) and did big wheelies for a "N" car. C4 with a 2.92 low. 4.86 gear with Hoosier "short" radials.

I understand on the springs but if you want it right, you have to find a smaller wire diameter or maybe have some custom made (which is what I did; try finding AMC parts!). It is worth it.

Dinsdale 01-29-2011 02:45 AM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
The only thing "trick" about Morso trick springs is getting them in the car. If you have to cut them then the spring isn't what it was designed to be. 1 coil won't change the rate much but as Jeff said you're better off with the right spring the first time. If Moroso makes a spring that bolts in and ride height is correct then you're fine. If not, it's a bunch of work to end up with a compromise.

mopar jeff 01-29-2011 02:25 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
Exactly why I didn't want to mess with it. I figured the rate would go up significantly, and the trial and error cutting can be a pain. Although I have done other things on the car many times, springs weren't my idea of fun. To each his own though.

Low 1.50 60' times is pretty impressive, even in N. I just touched the 1.50s last time out at a P weight. I thought that was pretty good. Oh well, time to keep tweaking the combo.

greg fulk 01-31-2011 12:30 AM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
Jeff 1.50 in P/SA is pretty good... I run in the low 1.60's I went 1.58 @ O/SA weight.

Jeff Lee 01-31-2011 12:40 AM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mopar jeff (Post 236569)
Exactly why I didn't want to mess with it. I figured the rate would go up significantly, and the trial and error cutting can be a pain. Although I have done other things on the car many times, springs weren't my idea of fun. To each his own though.

Low 1.50 60' times is pretty impressive, even in N. I just touched the 1.50s last time out at a P weight. I thought that was pretty good. Oh well, time to keep tweaking the combo.

I've put at least 5 sets of front springs on my car. One custom set was incorrectly made. Instead of using the front half weight, they (mistakenly) used the total weight of the car as the front weight. So I guess I had springs rated at 3200#'s on the front! Or at least I tried. You shoulod have seen me TRYING to compress those springs! When it couldn't be done, I finally said "something is wrong here"! And Moroso doesn't offer a spring and factory springs didn't do what I wanted. Therefore I went custom. And that took a few tries. I used Coil Spring Specialties in Kansas City (MO or KS?). They cost $150 a pair at the time (this was probably 1997 or so) and the springs have NEVER dropped at all. Moroso springs seem to be good for a couple years at best on some cars.
And removing a coil CAN be significant in terms of percentage of spring rate. You'll have to do the math.

Chris1529 01-31-2011 07:22 AM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
I have Eibach's in my car all the way around. no issue with fit or ride height.

mopar jeff 01-31-2011 03:23 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by greg fulk (Post 236882)
Jeff 1.50 in P/SA is pretty good... I run in the low 1.60's I went 1.58 @ O/SA weight.

Yeah I wonder what kind of ET we could shave by knocking .05 or more off the 60' time.

Chris1529 01-31-2011 07:49 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
a tenth

mopar jeff 02-01-2011 05:58 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
I would love to have that. :)

smracer2002 02-01-2011 06:19 PM

Re: 94-95 Mustang stocker
 
What are you using for the upper bushings in the
rear end housing?


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