Diapers are mandatory
 

According to Maple Grove's website, diapers will be required in 2012. Indy's million dollar race also require and I have heard they require on all races in 2011.

Did I miss an announcement by NHRA or are the tracks taking it upon themselves (with some encouragement) to force the racers to make yet another investment?


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Andy Stone 1102 A/S 1112 SS/C

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Andy,it was only a matter of time.Now let's see if the diaper manufacturers are going to
stand behind their products if a sportsman car dumps oil out of the diaper on the track.
I think they would be partially liable,as long as the fluid got past the diaper.A radiator,
trans leak or hose leak outside of the diaper wouldn't be their responsibility.
How about it Dennis?

Still kinder and gentler.

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Quite a few bracket tracks have been requiring , or offering incentives for ET racer to use diapers.
Not a big deal on a dragster or tube frame car, and I can personally attest to the fact that they work. ...Not a drop of oil or parts with a hole in the pan big enough for your fist to go thru.

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9.99 or quicker gets the diapers in 2012

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I guess I'll slow my car down so it doesn't run quicker than 10.0 then!!! And won't be racing at Maple Grove!!

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Makes me glad this is probably my last year. If not I'll damn sure run a class where they aren't required. Considered dropping a class this year to avoide flex plate shields. Is anybody really blowing up SFI flex plates? Seriously?

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As for flexplates I can say this. We blew a motor up at memphis a few years ago and it kicked the back portion of the cam out the back of the block. Bent the converter bolts and ears, but aside from an impact mark from the cam the flexplate was fine, albeit a bit warped.

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I bought a CSR SuperShield I think its called, for the Volare... transmission and flexplate shield all in one, and its supposed to fit well under stock floors. Not required to have the flexplate shield, but I'm not replacing a blanket every two years.

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what about the trans, or rear ends? we blew a trans in Atlanta 2yrs ago, a diaper wouldnt have done anything for us.. I guess there will be diapers for the whole undercarriage of the car soon....

I ask dad everyday now why do we class race...lol

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its in your blood, same as me. we got it honest

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While I certinally don't want to piss anyone off here, But why wouldn't a guy want to use a diaper, my god it may keep a car off the wall.....destroying the car, or worse, injury or death.

Diapers are darn cheap !!!.............J &J 's are asking less than a 100 bucks, and Dennis's are 169.00.

I personally care less about the clean up problems for the tracks.....but only my junk and my driver........

Use our head guys.......

Rick

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or it could all catch on fire

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i dont know about the other combos, but putting a diaper on an FE, not goin to happen. I think the HEMI cars would have a problem too.. Crawl up under 2 of these cars and let me know how a diaper will work.... no pissing goin here either...

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i agree with you.........

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Dennis is already working on one for my Drag Pak. I just have to get some final dimensions on the block.

After already losing two engines that dropped the bottom ends, one on the chassis dyno and another in Atlanta on the track, Chris started working with Dennis to get one for our car, and I have been the sticking point in getting it done.

I did get about twenty pictures of the block with a ruler for dimensioning, but once I got home with them, I didn't know what I had shot. So there was no way I could explain the dimensions to Dennis. Maybe if I am not snowed or iced in all week, I can try to get the dimensions.

David
The New Hemi Guy

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With the drag link going through the oil pan on my Hemi, I would like to see how it could be made to fit. Great idea if you have the room. Dyno

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Bill, the way I read the rules, they apply to all cars. I can see the diaper rule for a National event because of time limits. Not the locals. Hell, now they want bracket racing at divisionals to kill some time.(and make some entry fee money)

After looking at both cars I have, there is no way a diaper will fit between the oil pan and crossmember on the stocker. I may change pans-which will not be legal-or cut the crossmember, which I will not do.

The S/S car has a custom oil pan and custom headers made just for that car. If a few modifications can provide enough space for a diaper, I may use one.

Otherwise I will patronize Pro Stick and some of the TriState and ECSSS series races, and IHRA.

I'm am getting tired of NHRA dreaming up new ways for me to hand them money like insurance, entry fees, pit bike fees, oil down fees, threaten me with fines for environmental fees while the payouts won't cover the the expenses incured on the average weekend unless you win-provided you can collect any contingency money. The racer has to pay/assume all the risk while someone else reaps the benefit. You can only push so far....



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Andy Stone 1102 A/S 1112 SS/C

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Dyno the diaper with the crosslink going through the pan will probably look and work like a diaper that has factory motor mounts as my 69 Camaro had.

As for those with ridiculous oil pan configs, just put the stock style one back on and the problem is solved. Who cares about the 20-30 hp you lose. What is a tenth when you're still being out run by 4 tenths from a cobra jet or challenger with a diaper.

I don't wish this upon anyone, but some of you guys need to get the shiz knocked out of you when you crash up your 100K racecar from an oil down. secondly I'm not paying for your car either when I *** end your antique because I oiled down the track and slid into your lane.

Think of the others next to you and not yourselves or how it's NOT going to fit.

As A MGR, Director, VP or a person in charge might say to you. JUST GET IT DONE AND NO EXCUSES

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Rick, just a fyi, the diaper for a stock frame car is much higher. I think that model is for dragsters....

Wade O

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I knew we started life with diapers and ended life with them, but didn't think we would have to use them any time in between.

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$169 my ***, lets see one on a 64 Fairlane 427 Thunderbolt. Stephen & Horace Johnson, I second that thought. I mite not be from Missouri but "Show Me"

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whats next the muffler rule again?????? how many stk or ss blew up last year???this is getting stupid increase in entry fees less contigency and then these dumbass rules ??????

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this thread started as a maple grove thread and per their website it was for 9.99 and quicker--period

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This thread started because of a UMTR / OMSS race at Indy on May 7th. An e-mail was sent to one of the Pro Stick guys making them aware of the race. A good friend called me and asked about the diaper rule on Indys websight because he wanted to attend. I was ??.

Maple Grove apparently wants to start some type of stick car class, so another friend cc'd me and upon research, the diaper rule come up on their website.

I can't seem to find anywhere exactly what rules and classes apply.

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Andy Stone 1102 A/S 1112 SS/C

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I was at the meeting where this came up. If I understood it right the 9.99 and quicker diaper rule is not an NHRA across the board rule (yet) but it is being enforced in D1 and some other divisions. Maple Grove is choosing to adopt this rule for their 2012 ET races. I'd check with Bob Lang or Dave Mohn about the requirement for LODRS level classes for '11 and '12....then freak out.

I'm just a bracket racer, so I could be wrong.

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Yes, for a or ss car they can be more expensive,,,,,,,due to more detail, ie; motor mounts, heat cloth, and draglink (if needed)

But what isn't more costly on a s or ss car.....like headers and such.

My point was the "cheap insurance" with the use of a diaper.........not the exact price.


Rick

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If I have to hang one more piece of crap on this car I'm done. Almost impossible to work on now.

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Stephen, any idea how you are going to make one work on your car? I have no idea?:confused:

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I will not have any problem with the diaper. However will Maple Grove fix their water preculating problem? And will there be a prorated rebate in entry fees if any racer is delayed for the track to be dried after an issue with this reoccuring problem. Our time is just as valuable as their's. I do believe there are other tracks with the same problem that we (racers) were assured are fixed.

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A lot of you guys don't understand the mindset of those who's organization and tracks we use.It's pretty much "Do as I say not do as I do".If you think about this when ***** happens,
it all makes sense.
In defense of the tracks,somethings,like the Great Green Pollen Attack of 2010 couldn't be helped.Joe Sway and crew and the Div 1 crew did their usual great job of getting us racing again as soon as safely possible.

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Steven.. I saw where one of the cars like yall.s Sold for $142,500.00 .. Mine would be 4 Sale and wouldn.t even think about Diapers on anything but soon to grandbaby .. Red Le Blanc

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I suspect that an alternative to a diapers is a belly pan-that's what we have on our comp cars-would that work for some of you who would have trouble fitting in a diaper?

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Never saw so much pollen in one place Lol

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David, a 1 piece full belly pan could be nice......;)

Wade

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Yeah Wade, thats just what YOU need:cool:
That is of coarse if your's is made of LEAD!!, and has to stick down far enough to touch the track, except in the 1320' lights;)

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nope, Trblemaker,

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yea, i told dad about it......I saw dollar signs in his eyeballs.................and heard him say RETIREMENT, RETIREMENT, RETIRMENT:D:D:D:D:D

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I believe that Warren Johnson made light of the weepers on national tv not too long ago. I guess someone was absent from class when they discussed the law of physics when they designed that track. Warren noted the point the land of part of the track was higher than the track surface. Physics dictates water runs down hill.

While on subject, maybe we should discuss the odds of accidents because of poor track conditions vs accidents from engine failure.

Of course, this would most likely be the same odds of accidents relating to no diaper vs falling out of a treestand during deer season. Maybe NHRA will require any member using a treestand over 8 feet off the ground require a parachute?

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Andy Stone 1102 A/S 1112 SS/C

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For what it's worth, at the same meeting we where told they are addressing the problem as soon as the weather breaks, which explains the late opening this year. Lex said they have been working with some civil engineers, have taken core samples and have a new plan of attack. They will be removing the walls and drilling in from the side to get to the pockets of water. If I recall correctly, new asphalt, resurfaceing and grinding are also in the plan. I don't want to be a spokesman for the track but this is what was dicussed at the racers meeting last Saturday.

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Well it's a good thing those guys are civil engineers and not uncivil engineers! At least they have good attitudes! Lex is a good man. Jim