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Has anyone seen a list for contingency sponsers for Class & Lucas Series ?

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Interesting reading on the contingency situation.

http://dragracingonline.com/analysis...ingency-1.html

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Isnt some this what a lot of us on here have been saying for several years !
Way to many classes plus the odd singles has caused a lot of these changes.

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Terry here we go again. There were 50 classes in stock eliminator in 1976. There are 51 now.
I'm glad I found out who has been pushing for this. The same company (that owns FAST) that, when I called and asked for some help setting up my 2 year old (brand new from fast)Told me the unit was obsolete, and I should go buy another one from them ($3000 each).
They say paid out $70,000, Well how much money did the racers (a lot of whom never made a buck) Spend. I personally have nothing on my car from the comp cams group.
Thanks to them I found an ECU that does twice the job for half their price.
Racers that are unhappy or happy with this change. Should vote with their wallets

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Most of the bogus classes are in SS. Not Stock.

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Have I been living in a vacuum. I have never heard of the paac.
I would like to know who are the racers on the paac?

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The fact remains that there are to many classes. I dont care if there were 50 or 51 classes back in the 70's. That was to many back then also and that is when I ran in NHRA S/S. Even back before the massive use of trans brakes I found very little difference between the 4 speed (Non Cluthless) and the P/G combo I ran. Probably even less in the higher classes. The classes should be cut in half. Combine the stick vs auto. Use a slight wt break if necessary to even out the lower HP to wt. combos. Use one lb breaks in stock. Most are there already in S/S.....finish S/S up in the higher classes and the GT classes. It hasen't hurt the S/S cars.There are way to many singles and handicap start races because of this and thats why some are calling it just another bracket race. Remenber when class usually took around 4 or 5 rounds to win class and you had to win class to run the eliminator ! Its bracket racing pure and simple as it is today. No wonder there are no spectators in the stands and interest from the manufacturers and TV people. Some will never get it. Your to interested in a "Cash Cow" to pay for your entry and travel expense. You might as well build a bracket 1 car and save the travel expense. Your bottom line will thank you for it.

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I googled paac and got nothing related to racing.
Must be a top secret group. I wonder if they have one of those cool super secret handshakes?

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I do think there are way too many SS classes, and many belong in Comp. However, the cut NHRA take and the minimum payout is more of a problem with the sponsors I have talked to. And, anymore, automatic cars are pretty much just as fast as the sticks. I don't see why they could not be combined.

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Here's an interesting thought.The sponsors say they don't get a bang for their advertising
buck to continue paying us.When a business advertises on a billboard,newspaper,bus,
Internet,etc. they don't get it for free.They have to pay.
Here come us racing suckers and stick their "advertising" on both sides of our cars
and we give them FREE advertising every time the car comes out of the box.If you have an open trailer they get rolling advertising.
Why shouldn't we be paid for doing their advertising?All these companies get a tax write off for advertising.
One solution is to take the decals off the cars.When and if I repaint the car I'll only have a few decals put back on.
OK Jack,I guess I'm wrong again?

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Of coarse Graham Light is gonna want class money.
If there is no pay for class thats less money foe NHRA
If he lets them out of paying class its less for NHRA budget.

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The solution for the people with the oddball class cars that like to single for a class win is build 2 of the same car. Then you run against your own car (with the wife friend or hired driver) You will not need to worry about getting thrown into the combined class and do not have to go .50 under to win.

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lol.......

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Ed, you hit on a great idea. Get magnetic or removable decals, when you run "class", no decals. Re apply decals for the race or the only time you get paid contingency.

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I would only have the few decals that I know will pay me. I've been told magnetic decals are not legal.Personally I say screw some of the so called sponsors.A few stiffed me on my Atco divisional win.Weld wheels in particular.They go bankrupt,fail to pay their debts,are exemted from all or most of their debt,then come back as Greg Weld Wheels.Plain and simple **** him.I still have the decal on my car with a big black line through it.People ask why and I tell them why.

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Nice thread hijack guys!
Here I was thinking there would be two pages of posts listing class contingency paying companies for 2011. Nice thought anyway, I should have known this would end up in a bitchfest about companies that worked to save class racing.
I personally would like to thank Comp Cams for being such a great contingency sponsor that has supported Stock and Super Stock class racing for many years.

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Brad,how many companies that ae stickered on your car do you have a favorable opinion about?As in paying on time,paying at all,having to chase or just plain stiffing you?
After all,your sticker display on your car is free advertising for them.

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Ed. Magnetic decals are all I used for years. How do you think I could drive to Florida, from New York and race the car? They added 26 pounds to the car. I lent a pair to a SS car a few years ago. They held on fine at 140 mph.
It's not just the decals though. Let's find out who is supporting us and who isn't and vote with our wallets. I might not use a product on my car, but if they supported class racing.
I would try to use them. I still will, And those that I don't feel support I will make sure not to buy anything. Believe or not this works out for me. Mopar paid me contingency so I went out and bought a brand new Chrysler 300 (do you think it worked for Mopar?).
I got terrible customer service from an ECU company. So far I have convinced 7 people to run the unit I'm running. They are all happy with it. And are talking about it to others.
This kind of stuff works. You just have to know who is who.

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Ed,

To backup what Brad said about Comp Cams, I can truthfully say I qualified for 11,700.00 worth of NHRA & Contingency awards from winning SS at Norwalk in 2010. I recieved ALL OF IT. Did I have to have a few conversations with manufactures' pertaining to serial numbers, receipts, etc. ......sure. But at the end of the day....the system worked for me. All money was paid by October.

Just my .02....... Thanks to all the companies for your participation!

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This is what I am saying. If you are happy with the company buy their product, promote the product etc.
It's all about advertising.

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All the companies stickers that are on my car pay when I win that is why they are on there, and just about all of the companies pay in a resonable amount of time. There are the few that are real fast payers and most take a couple months. I am all paid up from 2010 accept for CSR and it looks like that decal gets to come off for next year anyway. CSR has paid us in the past but it usually takes 10-15 phone calls to get it done, my Dad is on like call # 10 for the 2010 payment so we will hopefully be getting paid soon. If a payment from a company seems like it is taking longer than it normally does from that company I call them and see if they need anything else from me (like proof of purchase) to get paid and I can almost always get it sorted out and have a check soon. I do that before getting on here complaining about getting screwed by that company.
I like a lot of racers look to see who is posting contingency for the year and see what I have to buy or do to get on the program.
I appreciate all the companies that post contingency and hope that I will get to partake in their postings again this year!

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As a team, Beth, Tony, and I were in six (6) finals last year.
Both NHRA and IHRA.
Everyone paid us as posted except one company. Thank you all.

Only one (1) stiffed us on a technicality.

Lokar.

We had their C-4 dipstick and tube, just not the specific one which they claim that they post for. The rep told us they do not make a "NHRA" kit for a C-4 so they cannot pay us even though we had the one they do make on the car.
After a hour of BS, double talk, and diatribe over the phone we gave up.
Sorry to say we are a dealer for them as well.
Made us feel all warm and fuzzy to have so much of their product in stock, promote and sell it, then get stiffed.
I guess they needed the $100 more than we do.
:mad:

So beware extra careful in selecting your locking dipstick and tube if you are doing so based on a class contingency supporter.

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Sorry. Everyone including me has hijacked this thread.
Here is the link for the Lucas oil series.
For class they will only be paying for the three Sportsnationals and Indy. So it will probably be in dragster the week of Belle Rose

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Alex, was it a locking dip stick? Or are there certain "NHRA package" locking dip sticks required? I thought all the locking dip sticks were eligible.
Thanks.

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Yes Ed, it is a Lokar locking dipstick kit.
No sir, they are ALL not eligible for contingency so if you do have one you better check the part number.
There are very few that actually are eligible for contingency payment.
You would think that they would have paid us since we did have (and sell) their product especially to simply promote racer good will. Apparently the Lokar reps time wasn't worth much as he dedicated way too much of it to not pay us.

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Brad and Mike.I asked Brad how many sponsors he considered reliable.It looks like he did his homework and that's what everyone should do.
If the stiffs don't see their decals on the cars they can either pull out of the program or
be more responsive to their loyal customers.

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Alex, do you know where this part number can be found?

Thanks, Ed

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I thought the same no sense beating a dead horse for a lot of companies this is too expensive the way it is laid out

Art, I am aware of the link but you answered the question I will need to see whats posted for Bella Rose.

The biggest question is what do the sponsers pay for in their products for example Holley pays for fuel injetion but is it the old or the new ? Altronics pays but I think the unit needs to be les than 2 yrs old there must be a list on the requirements I think just having the product and decal is not enough you need to have the correct product and e=mailing some of these companies goes unanswered