How much under the index is your record
 

Just wondered how AHFS will affect setting records

Class _ INX _ REC _ und idx
AA/SA _ 10.60 _ 9.44 _ 1.16
A/SA _ 11.00 _ 9.73 _ 1.27
B/SA _ 11.25 _ 9.87 _ 1.38
C/SA _ 11.40 _ 10.24 _ 1.16
D/SA _ 11.55 _ 10.39 _ 1.16
E/SA _ 11.70 _ 10.46 _ 1.24
F/SA _ 11.85 _ 10.96 _ 0.89
G/SA _ 12.00 _ 10.89 _ 1.11
H/SA _ 12.15 _ 11.00 _ 1.15
I/SA _ 12.30 _ 11.10 _ 1.20
J/SA _ 12.45 _ 11.31 _ 1.14
K/SA _ 12.65 _ 11.27 _ 1.38
L/SA _ 12.70 _ 11.58 _ 1.12
M/SA _ 12.85 _ 11.53 _ 1.32
N/SA _ 13.00 _ 11.78 _ 1.22
O/SA _ 13.15 _ 12.18 _ 0.97
P/SA _ 13.45 _ 12.48 _ 0.97
Q/SA _ 13.80 _ 12.62 _ 1.18
R/SA _ 14.05 _ 12.86 _ 1.19
T/SA _ 14.40 _ 13.16 _ 1.24
U/SA _ 14.85 _ 13.67 _ 1.18
V/SA _ 15.50 _ 14.25 _ 1.25
W/SA _ 16.65 _ 16.06 _ 0.59
AA/S _ 10.60 _ 9.37 _ 1.23
A/S _ 10.95 _ 9.94 _ 1.01
B/S _ 11.20 _ 10.15 _ 1.05
C/S _ 11.35 _ 10.85 _ 0.50
D/S _ 11.50 _ 10.45 _ 1.05
E/S _ 11.65 _ 11.15 _ 0.50
F/S _ 11.80 _ 11.30 _ 0.50
G/S _ 11.90 _ 10.94 _ 0.96
H/S _ 12.00 _ 11.09 _ 0.91
I/S _ 12.20 _ 11.70 _ 0.50
J/S _ 12.35 _ 11.85 _ 0.50
K/S _ 12.55 _ 11.61 _ 0.94
L/S _ 12.70 _ 11.60 _ 1.10
M/S _ 12.85 _ 11.98 _ 0.87
N/S _ 12.95 _ 12.03 _ 0.92
O/S _ 13.10 _ 12.60 _ 0.50
P/S _ 13.35 _ 12.28 _ 1.07
Q/S _ 13.65 _ 12.71 _ 0.94
R/S _ 13.95 _ 13.45 _ 0.50
T/S _ 14.40 _ 14.20 _ 0.20
U/S _ 14.65 _ 14.45 _ 0.20
V/S _ 15.25 _ 15.01 _ 0.24
W/S _ 16.40 _ 15.77 _ 0.63
AF/S _ 13.85 _ 12.95 _ 0.90
BF/S _ 14.65 _ 14.15 _ 0.50
CF/S _ 15.15 _ 14.17 _ 0.98
DF/S _ 15.60 _ 15.10 _ 0.50
EF/S _ 17.45 _ 17.25 _ 0.20
AAF/S _ 13.50 _ 13.00 _ 0.50

Thanks

:-) peace


Looks much better in terms of columns before I save it - ahh I got it - no i didn't - I give up on the formating its good enough to make the ponit

Re: How much undeer the index is your record
 

There in lies the reason no records are being set, if all runs count then you will get wacked on Tue. Someone mentioned this last week for the div 2 race in a mine shaft. Set a record and get punished, sounds about right as nhra goes.

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From the look of the list if you want to set a record put a stick in your car. A lot of those classes have room to set a record.

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Hey,
Why change you combination with a stick?
That is just more money we have to spend chasing a dream.
No it is actually more punishment to you pocket book for being fast.
I hate to say this because of the backlash,
but
IHRA is looking better all the time.
I can run my car fast, tinker with it at the races and learn some things as long as I don't go quicker than 1.40 under.
I can go run my car without being in bracket mode.
I won't be punished for adding to the performance of my car.
As pointed out earlier I don't have to harm an index to set a record.
I could actually set a couple of IHRA records lower than the current NHRA records with out going quicker than the magic 1.40 under.
I bet there are other racers in the same situation.
High entry fees, fees for everything you (they) can think of, High fuel costs,
I'm beginning to realize all this & AHFS enhancement has my ego deflating at the rate my pocketbook is also being deflated.

Wow, I can't believe this...give me a Prozac

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The table is interesting, but being a non-racer, I have a couple of questions.

1. There are some classes where quite a bit of disparity exists between the index and the record just before and just after. For example: C/S record is .5 under the index, but B/S & D/S are both 1.05 under, and then E/S and F/S both go to .5 again. Why?

2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the index supposed to be what a reasonably prepared race car should run on average each time down the track? Does this mean that, on average, for every car that consistantly can run 1 second under it's index, that there are an equal number of cars within that index that can't get within 1 second of it?

These may be stupid questions, but like I said, I am only a spectator.

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Some of the records are altitude corrected that is BS!!!

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Only some?

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It would be nice if NHRA allowed a few events where you could run as hard as possible to set a record without the penalties......but they don't. Thats why the records are at altitude tracks. Go get you one if you dare.

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That still doesn't explain to me why the diparity between some classes.

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Jim Hughes C/S can run 1.0 under at will but you don't see him setting the record probably because it is a pain in the butt (teardown) and pays ZERO!

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Quote :Thats why the records are at altitude tracks. Go get you one if you dare

Did I not read that all runs, even alt. tracks count this year !?

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Doublet, after two years, if a record is not re-set, it goes to a "minimum", which is five-tenths under (-.50). If the Index is 11.00, and the record is set at 9.79. If no one sets in lower in two years, the record goes to 10.50.

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Did I not read that all runs, even alt. tracks count this year !?[/QUOTE]

That's the "Dare" part. 2011 is a new game for going under.

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They changed the altitude factor and the AHFS rules. Reset all those bull**** records and start from scratch.

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Why bother with records at all. The new ones will be Bull**** too the way everybody will be protecting their combinations. Heads up Class runs don't even show how fast a car is unless you count 1000 foot time records too!

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Question do they punish comp now for qualifying runs too? Perhaps nhra needs to move it to 1.50 under then and yet people chase the record. They make record runs a big thing for the pros so why not let the sportsman get maybe their entry money back for a record. As a spectator its fun to watch people run fast isn't that what the sport is about....performance. If your dodge and a challenger runs the quickest stock run in history isn't that something for them to advertise? Sure it isn't a street challenger but neither are the scca cars but mazda advertises their road racing heritge all the time. Giving something back to the class racers will only swell the entries and make nhra stronger.

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I agree with Altitude adjusted track records being 'suspect'. Answer to my post a while ago stated that the adjustment formula being used was one pilots use to help on take offs with marginal conditions? i may be wrong about this but i believe thats the 'formula' being used. If M/SA index was still 13.15...current record would be 1.62 under! Would that be possible (even the new index record) at a sea level track? Just thinking these records are suspect. No harm intended..if they are legit, good deal to the folks who set them. Would love to see what these guys run at a sea level track though.....just out of curiosity.

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My last record was in E/S @ 10.72. That would be at least a 10.52 at a place like Englishtown or the Dutch.
My D/S runs of 10.55 in Arizona would be a 10.35 in Englishtown or the Dutch Classic. Easily. And that was 5-6 years ago.
It's not that difficult to run "way under" in those conditions. It's not always talent, it's the weather!

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what did the car weigh ????

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ME TOO.....................O/SA car ran 12.89 has record at 12.18 ???

So what Bob? He ran a 12.19 at The Winternationals earlier in the year.

Take your car to a real 4000 foot elevation track and see how slow in really goes. There is no real comparison between an actual altitude of 4000 feet, and what shows up on your Density Altitude calculator on a bad day in Maryland.

Your statement says more to prove that the factors were correct than it does to say they're bogus (which they were), and I think he actually went a 12.81
The new factors are a little tougher, as that same 12.81 run would factor to a 12.31 this year -- more than a tenth slower than he ran at the Winternationals last year.

Everybody happy now?

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315 HP on E/S record and D/S runs. So that's 3320 minimum in E/S & 3160 minimum in D/S. I don't usually carry a lot of extra ballast, maybe 25#'s or so.
When I first started racing the car it was a 325 HP rating.