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Red light survey.OK Sean,if the poll goes against your wishes will you do us a favor and run away to Canada where there's no internet access?And take Mr Hasn't raced on 3 or 4 years Gary with you?

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Geezs Ed what did we ever do to you? Do you think its right to send Sean to Canada? I really think you should appologize! This could really cause an international incident! Besides contrary to popular belief we do have the internet in Canada!

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Eddie, my friend;
This about as rigged as a deep staging poll LOL

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Bob,you may be right.You do remember the Terrence and Phillip incident.Maybe we'll ask them to go to Guadalajara Mexico.
Mark actually it's real simple,leave it alone or change it.No hidden message.I find it
curious that change got 10 votes already.

Bob I was thinking along the lines of the Yukon Territories.

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How about Alaska? Better yet, the North Pole!

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I do too, honestly. Then look at who's the most vocal, and how many here seem to be against a change.

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Now that's just nasty! We don't want him either! The fishing is too good in the Yukon! You want to punish someone send him to a much more southern border!

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My final choice was Guadalajara Mexico.Good with you?

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Ok

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Just for the record..Pomona Qualifying

9 sec cars......3

10...................38

11..................16

12..................8

13..................1

14.................0

15.................1

16.................0

17................0

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So far it seems there's 26 people who think us slow guys need some drag racing
welfare.I'm doing quite well without it.

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Ed, I wonder how many voters are legitimate, active S & SS racers right now?

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Ed,I don't know and I don't realy care.This debate is as important as what the fans think
of us at the track.

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Ed, nobody watches us anyway.

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I always get the head start. When I built trhe car I knew the rules, I don't think it's right fror someone that built a car knowing the rules. To pitch a b1tch to get them changed.
Leave well enough alone. And I always get the spot.

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I usually do too. Doesn't bother me. If I go red, I screwed myself. I'm upset with myself. I take responsibility for my mistakes. Don't really care about the other guy.

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I think the other guy should have to take responsibility for HIS mistakes, too..
as it stands, if you give him a free ride by red lighting first, he never has to take responsibility, like you did. What sense does tht make?

It's not "well enough" at all; it's screw job for the first car to leave.

And there's no justification for it.

And that "poll" is so one-sided, the way it's presented, as to render any results from it worthless.

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Sean Isn't. Can we send him to Afghanistan? The Mexican's don't deserve to be punished.

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Some don't get that if the rule is changed there will be fewer dual red lights. The faster guys will be more careful when they see the first go red. If I go red I'm pissed at me, still don't care about the other guy. Suit me just fine if both go out. Thing to do is not go red.

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This is one of the constant misunderstandings of what would happen were things to change: The faster car would NOT see anyone's red light. They would only see a green, even if the slower car fouled.

The only red light that would ever be presented, would be the one that fouled worst, and that would happen only after both cars had left the starting line.

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One more thing for the few spectators we have to not "get", right? Most casual observers think dialing, handicap starts and running too fast are dumb enough, they would love that one.
If you built a car without knowing the rules first, you should just accept the rules, you screwed up. Much like going red. If you expect everybody to agree to get a rule you and a few others don't like changed to suit you once you start racing, ....
Well, you know.

This horse died long ago. You can stop beating it now. You lost.

What class do you run?

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How about if both drivers go red,they`re both out. Also,if both breakout,they`re both out! Now that would make things interesting for those that seem to hold about .05 in the bank.

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I have no problem with that at all. It could make for some interesting finals, that's for sure. LMAO

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I voted for option 3, because, for most of us, there are many more pressing issues that affect S/SS racing more than a first-worst redlight, that *might* come into play, what, 5-7% of the time over a season. Payouts, AHFS, run schedules, costs, track conditions, etc etc etc are a bigger issue that needs addressed before the redlight rule. If the rule were changed however, it wouldn't bother me.

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I voted for 3 also.

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Ed, Was that before or after you fully understood the proposal?

Just askin'

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Agreed

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Wouldn't matter. I've heard it proposed different ways. Still don't think there is a problem.
Name me a company owner or CEO that will pay a software guy to re-write the code for a minority of guys that constantly call them corrupt crooks and idiots. Answer? Nobody. The way you guys constantly slam them and call them names, only a fool would expect them to do anything like that, especially when the majority don't want it changed. Gotta wonder what some people are thinking. Get over it.

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Here we go again Bill.First off your car still has a BRACKET number on it.Second show me what's biased in the wording on the poll.
The poll is running at 72% for status quo and 28% for change.I guess when it isn't going your way it's one sided.

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Ed, you make my day!

You want to fix the red light rule with a change in autostart. :cool: If you have made the phone calls and know it's possible then what's the problem?

Went through this with deep staging a few years ago. (note: I have never deep staged, ever) It ain't goin to happen this way. Get the track owners on board (they are Compulink customers) you might have a fighting chance. If you can get enough tracks "across the country" to adopt the idea then NHRA will have to consider it. You still may never see it at a national or divisional until it proven at the bracket racing level.
Ohh, by the way what happened to deep staging. You can but you're on you're own. No holding the tree any more. :rolleyes:

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Not true in S/SS, Frank

Voted out by the majority with fast cars.

You know, we could probably use that approach to vote out the blown CJ's .Why not ? There's more of us than them.
Then , if Ed keeps causing trouble with his AMC, we'll vote him out too. LOL

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Frank,which Ed are you referring to?

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You of course. Lol

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If that's the case then where the hell am I looking to change the redlight foul deal???????
Frank,you hanging around in the garage with the door closed again?:>):>)

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Ed F. :p Always like you posts! :D You fixing the red light rule was not meant for you, my bad.
I'm for leaving this alone! And yes I leave first most of the time.

This is pure BS, but fun recovering from the flu which kicked my *** for 24 hours!

Mark, the fast guys may have voted deep out, but if there were more of them who voted the democratic majority spoke.
Some may have had their own self interest in mind but others may have realized the unfair advantages being handed over and exploited. It's supposed to be fair and it was not as it brought the human element in that autostart was supposed to get rid of. That holding the tree for deep was BS!!

This red light thing is just an issue of the driver training his or her mind to see their spot on the tree. If you see it and the race car setup is right you will not red light. It's not easy and as we get older more difficult. The young guys don't have a lot of money so they train their minds to take advantage of what tools they have. The older guys may not have the commitment or talent or youth but they have the buck$ to go fast.

Some things in life just are not fair!!! :D :p

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Frank, The autostart was put in place for one reason at first . That being to speed up the national events. The same goes for the 3 amber tree, as opposed to the five. All that stuff trickles down from the Nat'l event track; not the other way around
Someone mentioned the worst red light rule should start at the grass roots level. That's not the way all this stuff works.
I suspect the No Deep ruling was put in for the same reason.
No one said the tree should be held for anyone, but using the pre-stage light to disqualify anyone is pure BS. That was put there as a warning light. Nothing more.
Where were all the traditionalists when THIS came up ??

Now the "unbiased poll/ majority rule thing.
That would be like going into NYC or downtown San Francisco and asking :
Which party most represents the little guy and the labor unions?

__ Republicans

__ Democrats


I showed you guys the number of 10 sec. cars at Pomona. What would you expect to happen with a poll here?

Good luck this year , from a signman

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Bob are you kidding, Ed apologize? He's the same guy who (for some unknown reason is implying that I haven't raced in 3-4yrs?). I don't know what kind of water he's been drinking but I don't want any...lol.

Oh and by the way Ed, because I know you're reading this (and that you were talking about me too), and it has NOT been 3-4 years since I raced last...my last race was just 2wks after your fun at Indy last year, and my most recent Stock Eliminator race was just 11 months ago, so just like you're apparently a flap jack short of a full stack on other topics, so are you on this one...hardy har har!!!! :)

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You may try to build the fastest car for your category, but know this...someone will always build one faster....all of that wasted money/time for the cold hard facts.....

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x 2 Lane, what's fair for the goose should be fair for the gander too....

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Interesting that since you made this post, those votes to allow the starting line to change a race just like the finish line does, has swelled by 33 extra votes. Why is that? Could it be that some of those 11sec & slower cars agree with the first 26 voters as opposed to the 9 & 10sec. runners who may side with you (again voting against your own best interest, Ed)?

I too am doing quite well without it, but that doesn't make it right...I've just gotten use to it.

Oh and one more thing, since there would be plenty of latinas in Mexico, I could be good there...plus I know a little bit of spanish, so I'd be ok there communication wise too. Moreover, Guadalajara isn't that far away from the Pacific Ocean, so the sunsets would be awesome too!