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B Aceves 03-10-2011 07:54 PM

HP on Monday?
 
Looks as though the 2010 CJ gets a instant 2.25% on Monday, How long ya think before these AA cars cant run Stock anymore ?

1 3909 AA/SA Drew Skillman, Greenwood IN, '10 Mustang 9.454 10.60 -1.146
1 3909 AA/SA Drew Skillman, Greenwood IN, '10 Mustang 9.413 10.60 -1.187
1 3909 AA/SA Drew Skillman, Greenwood IN, '10 Mustang 9.408 10.60 -1.192

Only the second race of the year, how is NHRA gonna handle this one ?

Toby Lang 03-10-2011 08:01 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
You have to go at least 1.20 under to get an instant hit. Looks like it might happen this weekend, but as of right now there is at least one flag on the combo.


-Toby

Andys dad 03-10-2011 08:17 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Toby is of course correct but ...

Until they get a factor less than 7.00 they can continue to add weight to get to 7.50 AA

The '08 is at 7.28 445hp
445*.0225=10.01 hp
7.28*445=3240 I think (did not include driver 170?)
3240/455=7.12 new faactor
Can not take another 2.25 would be 6.97 super stock only

The '10 is at 7.37 445hp
445*.0225=10.01 hp
7.37*445=3280 I think (did not include driver 170?)
3280/455=7.20 new factor
Can take one more 2.25 to end up 7.05

The new 7.00 lb class next year should help

Thanks

:-) peace

Really busy at work can you tell - LOL :-)

B Aceves 03-10-2011 08:25 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Ok well it wont be as soon as Monday, But the trigger is set and there is more than three runs 0.85 under so they will get a 2.25% increase, I guess my point is how much Weight they going to need to put in these cars or what NHRA is going to do to keep them in Stock . : )

art leong 03-10-2011 08:32 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by B Aceves (Post 245066)
Ok well it wont be as soon as Monday, But the trigger is set and there is more than three runs 0.85 under so they will get a 2.25% increase, I guess my point is how much Weight they going to need to put in these cars or what NHRA is going to do to keep them in Stock . : )

Only the fastest qualifying run counts. If they go that fast in the eliminator that could activate the trigger.

Nitro Joe Jackson 03-10-2011 09:01 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
the way i have been told ANY run under a second will go into and count as a flagged run, right now if i understand it right, Skillman has 2 hits for the event so far.

Toby Lang 03-10-2011 09:22 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Artie is correct. Only final qualifying counts. Skillman only has one flag so far.

From the AHFS:

"Final qualifying, class eliminations, and elimination runs of 1.00 seconds or more, under the index, at NHRA National and LODRS events will trigger an automatic review. (The combination must make at least two runs of 1.00 or quicker before a review is triggered to prevent a "one time fast run" from triggering the system.)"


-Toby

Ed Fernandez 03-10-2011 09:35 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote Andy's Dad:The new 7.00 lb class next year should help

What's the problem.Graham and the boys will come up with a 6.75 break,and so on and so on.No problem
They're getting used to the free rides they get to use.

WRENCH 03-10-2011 09:37 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
If all of you can not or do not understand it then you need to talk directly to Bruce . Instead of running it to death

Ed Fernandez 03-10-2011 09:46 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WRENCH (Post 245081)
If all of you can not or do not understand it then you need to talk directly to Bruce . Instead of running it to death

Mr Wrench where's Colubus Oh.?:>):>) How far is it from Noo Joisey?

WRENCH 03-10-2011 09:52 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Drinking and typing should not be allowed

Stocker 2 03-10-2011 10:07 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang (Post 245058)
You have to go at least 1.20 under to get an instant hit. Looks like it might happen this weekend, but as of right now there is at least one flag on the combo.


-Toby

Anything that raises a flag and is less than 1.20 under will not get horsepower until the mid season adjustment in July.

BTW, the 1.20 under instant hit is the same as 1.50 under before the .3 was taken off for last season. A 1.50 under hit has not been used since the AHFS began years ago.

Was someone trying to protect the new cars or what?

Ed Fernandez 03-10-2011 10:47 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WRENCH (Post 245084)
Drinking and typing should not be allowed

What were you drinking?

Ed Fernandez 03-10-2011 10:49 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stocker 2 (Post 245088)
Anything that raises a flag and is less than 1.20 under will not get horsepower until the mid season adjustment in July.

BTW, the 1.20 under instant hit is the same as 1.50 under before the .3 was taken off for last season. A 1.50 under hit has not been used since the AHFS began years ago.

Was someone trying to protect the new cars or what?

Wasn't the automatic hit at 1.40 before they dropped the .30?

Stocker 2 03-10-2011 10:53 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 245101)
Wasn't the automatic hit at 1.40 before they dropped the .30?

Yes and now it would be the same as if it were 1.50 under.

Who allowed this?

Sean Cour 03-10-2011 11:17 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stocker 2 (Post 245102)
Yes and now it would be the same as if it were 1.50 under.

Who allowed this?

Wow! Really?!

Ed Fernandez 03-10-2011 11:20 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Cour (Post 245107)
Wow! Really?!

No,we were only kidding:>):>)

Sean Cour 03-10-2011 11:25 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 245108)
No,we were only kidding:>):>)

I'm amazed at "racer's" that don't understand the dysfunctional chain of toilet flushing that implements these rules.

Chad Rhodes 03-10-2011 11:27 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Cour (Post 245109)
I'm amazed at "racer's" that don't understand the dysfunctional chain of toilet flushing that implements these rules.

lol

Ed Fernandez 03-11-2011 12:03 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Cour (Post 245109)
I'm amazed at "racer's" that don't understand the dysfunctional chain of toilet flushing that implements these rules.

Do the Glendora brain trust wash their hands after they flush?

Sean Cour 03-11-2011 01:01 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 245118)
Do the Glendora brain trust wash their hands after they flush?

What do you think the raised "insurance surcharge" is for? The bathroom attendants have to be paid somehow.

Chad Rhodes 03-11-2011 10:04 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
first round may yield some hp hits, sure is good air there

Ed Wright 03-11-2011 10:05 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Cour (Post 245125)
What do you think the raised "insurance surcharge" is for? The bathroom attendants have to be payed somehow.

Heh heh heh...

Ed Wright 03-11-2011 10:07 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 245167)
first round may yield some hp hits, sure is good air there

Or, more cars spinning around at the finish line...

Bob Gullett 03-11-2011 10:31 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
On the live timing I just saw Ray Skillman run 8.675/159.59
in SS/BA. 1.225 under the index.

Chad Rhodes 03-11-2011 10:58 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Gullett (Post 245177)
On the live timing I just saw Ray Skillman run 8.675/159.59
in SS/BA. 1.225 under the index.

Yhatzee!!!! We have a winner!!!

Mike Fuller 03-11-2011 11:20 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
3903 Ray Skillman 2221 Richard Mace
E1 0.512 8.675 159.59 ****WINNER**** 0.044 10.141 122.89
SS/BA Dial: 8.90 (+/-): -0.225 GT/EA Dial: 10.05 (+/-): 0.091
Qualified: #3 8.956 -0.944 #23 10.100 -0.550

Skillman went way too quick...

Bingo

Bryan Worner 03-11-2011 11:26 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang (Post 245058)
You have to go at least 1.20 under to get an instant hit. Looks like it might happen this weekend, but as of right now there is at least one flag on the combo.


-Toby

If you go 1.00 second or more under, twice in a review period, not per race, you trigger a review. 1.20 under gets you instant hp!! This includes all runs at National and LODRS races!!! It also includes 1.20 under runs at National Opens and Sportsnationals!!

Chad Rhodes 03-11-2011 11:30 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Fuller (Post 245183)
Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
3903 Ray Skillman 2221 Richard Mace
E1 0.512 8.675 159.59 ****WINNER**** 0.044 10.141 122.89
SS/BA Dial: 8.90 (+/-): -0.225 GT/EA Dial: 10.05 (+/-): 0.091
Qualified: #3 8.956 -0.944 #23 10.100 -0.550

Skillman went way too quick...

Bingo

A .512 light will do that to you.

Paul Precht 03-11-2011 11:31 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Fuller (Post 245183)
Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
3903 Ray Skillman 2221 Richard Mace
E1 0.512 8.675 159.59 ****WINNER**** 0.044 10.141 122.89
SS/BA Dial: 8.90 (+/-): -0.225 GT/EA Dial: 10.05 (+/-): 0.091
Qualified: #3 8.956 -0.944 #23 10.100 -0.550

Skillman went way too quick...

Bingo

He had to know his light was way off, why did he run it all out.

Chuck Beach 03-11-2011 11:36 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Because he can ...

Superfan1 03-11-2011 11:43 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Precht (Post 245186)
He had to know his light was way off, why did he run it all out.

Probably because he doesn't care about getting HP on Monday; these cars have plenty left that they haven't shown, especially the 2010s which is what his is.

X-TECH MAN 03-11-2011 11:51 AM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Maybe he is tired of the BS !

smracer2002 03-11-2011 12:16 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 245118)
Do the" Glendora brain trust" wash their hands after they flush?

Hmm,misnomer there.

Ed Wright 03-11-2011 12:38 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
What ever the reason, I have a new hero. That's impressive.

WRENCH 03-11-2011 12:41 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Hey ED back to your question Uncle Jack that's why it took so long to get back with you

Toby Lang 03-11-2011 12:59 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner (Post 245184)
If you go 1.00 second or more under, twice in a review period, not per race, you trigger a review. 1.20 under gets you instant hp!! This includes all runs at National and LODRS races!!! It also includes 1.20 under runs at National Opens and Sportsnationals!!


There is no stipulation that says you can only get one flag per race. As you said in your post all runs count (except in qualifying where only the quickest run counts.)

Skillman and Fezell now have two flags on their combos.


-Toby

Nitro Joe Jackson 03-11-2011 01:07 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
I went to Pat & Bruce here at Gators and asked them and as I stated before thats what they told me, might just want to ask them yourselves before trying to figure this whole deal out on here.
And they told me as i left them, "We can not figure out why people cant understand how its written"

(Including me)

Toby Lang 03-11-2011 01:19 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
I asked this question during the winter because I also thought that you could get more than one flag in qualifying. Division 6 representative Jim Mantle was nice enough to email Pat Cvengros, NHRA Technical Services Representative, and ask him about it. This is Pat's email to Jim:

Quote:

Jim,

We are not going to use all qualifying runs, which is why it reads “final qualifying runs and all elimination runs.” It’s no different than this year, or years past. With that said you are correct, what ever the is listed on the final qualifying sheet will be used in the review process.

Pat Cvengros

Technical Services Representative

Quoted from this post:
http://www.classracer.com/classforum...7&postcount=13


-Toby

Ed Wright 03-11-2011 01:26 PM

Re: HP on Monday?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson (Post 245210)
I went to Pat & Bruce here at Gators and asked them and as I stated before thats what they told me, might just want to ask them yourselves before trying to figure this whole deal out on here.
And they told me as i left them, "We can not figure out why people cant understand how its written"

(Including me)

Joe, you would think they could understand why. We are obviously idiots. Look at what we spend and put up with, and keep showing up. LMA

Not an indication of normal inteligence that's for certain.


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