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Could this be right? Bob Shaw 12 773 on the original index of 14.85. For those of you that cannot subtract, that 2.077 under or 2.377 under the old index! Flame all you want about the new $100,000. race cars. This one can be done for less than $5,000.

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Then you should do one. Good luck with that.

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Billy, You miss my point. I'm not complaining. Just stating that the new cars are not the only ones under-rated, there are plenty of older cars that are under-rated also. You don't have to spend $100,000. to get one.

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I didn't think that you were complaining. I see that you're "no longer racing". You should get back out there! BTW, you are correct that there are a few older combos that are under-rated. The difference being the number of racers that are affected by the new cars. I've been racing these older cars for years and no one noticed.
(whine, wimper, feel sorry for me, send money)

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Billy the man who can make MORE FOR LE$$!
At least anyone could buy the car Bob is racing!

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Should it matter if it affects 1 or 100? I don't think Captain Jack is too happy! BTW, I am getting back into it and I'm doing it with a late model LT1. Its been beat on pretty good and I'll be in the middle of all the new cars, but I'll never be on here bad mouthing (you don't but others do) anyone willing to spend money. If it wasn't for those guys spending money, I wouldn't be able to finish my car.

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After all the time, effort, and money invested into a cupcake, at the end of the day you have a cupcake. Sorry for Captain Jacks misfortune. His performance was stellar and he should be proud, he still entered knowing his competitor is at least 50 hp underrated. It's a shame though....

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The shame is that if the run had counted on the AHFS, at 2.077 under the index the car would have only gotten 34 horsepower. Figuring that it should be factored where it could still be 1.00 under it would take a total of 60 horsepower to move it to Q/SA. And that won't happen for a long time to come thanks to the AHFS.

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There you go!! Thats the problem. Its not the people spending the money...it's the person making the rule!

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U should do one if all u want to do is go win class,and not have to run anybody! Will u ever win the eliminator with a car like this? I doubt it! But stranger things have happened! Look at gremlin Ed last year he got down to three at a nat.LOL

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So true! I don't think I have ever seen anyone blame one of the racers who are taking advantage of a ridiculous situation. I probably would be doing the same thing if I had the money to throw at it, but, like all good things, it will come to an end, eventually. Jim

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There is a big difference here, Bob came up with the combo and built it and also made it work, do you see any others doing one ? I wonder why ?, because it takes a big set of Balzs to give it a try and succeed.

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What makes you think you need a COOKIE CUTTER car to win?
Turbo cars might throw you a curve every now and then. But an NA car is an NA car no matter what motor is under the hood.

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For any of you that think an off the wall combo is so cheap to build.
Try to build one.

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Amen Artie! Amen! Jim

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Gee, I don't know why not.

We were just told, during the red light debate, that there really wasn't an advantage to a faster car. It was just a matter of preference.

Also, years ago, during the deep stage drubbing, it was said by guys who never tried it, that is really wasn't necessary. You just weren't looking at the tree right.

I guess you haven't been following along here .You better rethink that position. ; -)

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It's not about money Artie, It's a cupcake! You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. That's the point, the car could run 11.80's and nobody cares. There's a difference between a good combo and a MISTAKE. My problem is NHRA will not correct it therefore making every other U combo uncompetetive therefore noone will go back. One year there was 13 U/SA's at No Problem it was won by a cupcake. Since then maybe 2 show up. Why tow 10 hrs. to run a N car in U? Or run a C car thats in H running 10.40. It is killing the car counts and more importantly the desire to try.

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Yes , this combo is way underfactored but build one for 5 grand - I don't think so - Mr.Shaw is the master at getting the most out of these combos .I think our own Billy would have trouble getting one of those cars to go 2 seconds under for 5 g's .

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Well I guess you did not see the post by MR. Billy Nees saying these people are not racers,they come into our sport,spent their mony(it is their money)to buy the best cars and the best people,rasied the bar for every one else(from my experience,I have found if you have money and a big D**K you want to swing it)
That is a quote from MR. Nees and uncalled for.David

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OK Mr davidhuff, explain to me what it is that is uncalled for in the post? Other than I didn't get specific enough (which I won't).

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Yup, I missed it. Jim

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Now if the NHRA would open up the Stock Car Classification Guide to ANY vehicle made available to the public by any manufacturer during any model year 1955 and up, instead of the choices we have now, things could get REALLY interesting!

Lew

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Bill,remember our conversation the other day?Seems like your position on this subject
is giving some people a severe case of hemorrhoids.
It's good to be one of the lower echelon of the Stock eliminator world.Except for the
occasional overlooked lower classed combo we have no worry about the big buck
guys building a "slow stocker".
Those people in a tizzy about Bob's Cadillac should be aware that Bob only races a few times a year,mainly Belle Rose and maybe Indy and an occasional divisional.Where the
new NHRA enhanced cars are at every race on the schedule.
And as far as not worrying about a slower car winning anything I think Jody Lang might have something to say about that.
For the 10,000th time most of us have no problem with the people who have these
enhanced cars.The problem is the apparent collusion between NHRA and the manufacturers of these combinations.Put them in their own classes and goodbye problem.We can move on to bigger problems.
BTW Davidhuff what class do you run?

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I do not have a stocker at this time but I am thinking of getting back in the game.The last stocker I had was a F/SA built by Linda & Woodro Josey.

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Of course you mean Woodro Josey, right? Jim

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Yes,Woodro Josey and my back up motor was built by Elisha Boyd.I guess the next question would be how many races did I win?Never came close!David

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OK thanks for the honest reply.Now if you come back and build another F/SA car,say a
Chevelle just for arguement sake,and you go to a race and there's 4 or 5 DP or new
Mustangs.Let's say it's a divisional,no class runoffs.You qualify and your first rd opponent is a DP or Mustang that can have a .400 (sort of my light at MG last year:>)) and still have you covered.Think there's something out of kilter there?

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For anyone who has doubts about that Caddy is not just a well thought out combination but true race car down to the last nut and bolt and multiple fuel injection maps he uses. I pitted next to Bob this weekend and trust me Bob was under the hood after each and every run tweaking checking and ringing out every last thousandth from the old girl, just kind of hard to judge those 140 MPH closing speeds.

I’m also saddened to report Bob let me know this was his last race and he’s retiring. What a loss to me personally but to all sportsman racing as he’s not only a class guy and gentlemen but an innovator like few others we have seen in the sport.

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I hope this is not true. I can't help but remember the fun we have had at the Cajun's in the past with both the Mustang and the Caddy. Jim


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I don't think anyone doubts the caddys performance but like the new cars the factor is bogus. They all need to be fixed regardless of make and model.

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take this to the bank guys i speak from 15 years of racing bob shaw...

he never cheats
he only builds cars he believes are underfactored
he prides himself on performance
he does almost all the work himself
he is the most impressive stock eliminator racer ive have ever known

if you guys would take a minute to realize his finding and making this combo work with the fuel injection has been responsible for near 50 #1 qualifier spots > thats right all of murphy's and bob dennis #1 were because bob showed them the combo... they just started calling thier olds motors caddy's and gt/ma is about as friendly as U/SA

running -208 is a feat, and only a bye run for tueton kept bob from his intended purpose he had when he started towing 15 hours in the snow > congrats to bob he deserves it he did it with a car that was actually produced and on a budget billy nees would be proud of !

captain jack

its hell to find out after 30 years your car isnt even within 1 second of the fastest in the country... and thanks to mark faul, he kept me from getting a second heads up ***** kicking in round 2 !!!!!!!!!!

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I'll second everything that Captian Jack just said and add that Bob Shaw is one of the nicest men I've ever met at a racetrack.

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Well said Jack& Billy well said