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dartman 04-03-2011 10:25 PM

V10 dodge
 
Do/did they get to use the trans-brake(what they call a 2-speed drag race transmission with integrated roll control) in stock?.If it is prohibited ,does it have too be removed from the car ?
Not trying to stir the pot,just would like to know.

Jeff Teuton 04-04-2011 05:14 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
There ain't no trans brake. It's got 2 speeds;fast and faster, no two step, and the integrated roll control means it has a button on the trans shifter that puts on the line lock. It doesn't even have a recording tach cause nobody makes one for a 10 cyl.

George Wright 04-04-2011 05:33 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
It also has the 8 4/4" rear end.

dartman 04-04-2011 06:10 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 250658)
There ain't no trans brake. It's got 2 speeds;fast and faster, no two step, and the integrated roll control means it has a button on the trans shifter that puts on the line lock. It doesn't even have a recording tach cause nobody makes one for a 10 cyl.



my mistake, thought it meant it had a brake then it said "2-speed drag race transmission with integrated roll control" in the PRNewswire



Mopar® Introduces 2011 Challenger Drag Pak for Sportsman Racers


This One Has a V-10 and is Race-ready
AUBURN HILLS, Mich., Oct. 1 /PRNewswire/ --

Mopar® Challenger V-10 Drag Pak built for sanctioned NHRA Stock and Super Stock configurations
Priced at $85,512, Mopar to build 70 serialized units
Production starts 1Q 2011, applications available now at local Dodge dealerships or at www.mopar.com
Past Mopar Challenger Drag Pak model-year programs sold out (2009 and 2010)


Racers rejoice. Mopar® is dropping a V-10 into the iconic Dodge Challenger.

The new race-only V-10 powered rear-wheel drive 2011 Mopar Challenger Drag Pak features an 8.4-liter 512 cubic-inch engine with a 2-speed automatic transmission. Mopar will showcase its new drag car this evening at the Dodge Viper Owner's Invitational in Salt Lake City. The vehicle will then make its way to the Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) show in Las Vegas from Nov. 2-5, and the Performance Racing Industry (PRI) show in Orlando from Dec. 9-11.

"With the introduction of our new 2011 Mopar Challenger Drag Pak, Mopar will be the only place to get a factory-built V-10-powered race-ready drag car," said Pietro Gorlier, President and CEO of Mopar, Chrysler Group's service, parts and customer-care brand. "Mopar's new Challenger Drag Pak is a race rocket that will appeal to racers, collectors, dealers, and Dodge Viper owners."

Based on the 2011 Dodge Challenger and finished in a Stock Eliminator and Super Stock configuration, the 2011 Mopar Challenger V-10 Drag Pak is the first and only 500-plus cubic-inch V-10 drag-race package car. The car features competition wheels and tires, a Mopar solid rear axle with performance gear ratio, a 2-speed drag race transmission with integrated roll control, a complete competition fuel system with fuel cell, and a complete interior with gauge package.

The Mopar Challenger V-10 Drag Pak features a Bright White paint scheme with color options. The Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) is $85,512 and production begins early next year.

Mopar offers three options with this vehicle. First, the Competition Package includes an eight-point roll cage, six-point safety harness and a mesh window net (MSRP: $7,950, part number P5155820). Second, a Mopar logo body wrap (MSRP: $950, part number P5155892) and a range of body colors (MSRP: $6,800, part number P5155893). With the Competition Package, the car is ready to go down the drag strip.

Orders must be submitted using the Mopar Challenger V-10 Drag Pak Application, which is available now at www.Mopar.com, the Mopar Direct Connection Tech Line at 888-528-HEMI (4364), or a local Dodge dealer. Customers should work with their local Dodge dealer to submit their application.

2011 Mopar Challenger V-10 Drag Pak Highlights

Identification plate with unique serial number sequence
Primed and painted body, color options available
512 cid V-10 engine
Unique engine calibration
2-speed automatic transmission with shift assembly and built-in roll control
Special body-in-white modified for drag racing
No windshield wiper assembly
No HVAC system (includes block off plates)
No rear seats
No power-steering system
No underbody heat shields
Complete fuel cell assembly
Race headers with collectors
Modified tunnel for transmission clearance and one-piece drive shaft
Raised floor above differential for solid-axle conversion clearance
Polycarbonate door windows
Smart-glass door window system
Solid engine mounts
Mopar solid rear axle
Lightweight seats to accommodate 6-point harness
Special modified K-member with drop-out crossmember
Lightweight drag-race only front brake assembly
Manual rack-and-pinion steering
Front chin spoiler
Lightweight cooling module with electric fan
Lightweight instrument panel assembly
Special cable-operated decklid release
Special cable-operated throttle pedal and linkage
Race-style wheels and tires
Weight 3250 lbs

SPS 04-04-2011 07:04 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
It also has the 8 4/4" rear end.

Now thats funny stuff. Especially coming from a Ford guy!!

Guess thats the new name !!

FJ

Jeff Teuton 04-04-2011 07:09 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
The 8 4/4 is a special axial flow power transmitter with a turbo. I like that.

borninamopar 04-04-2011 08:14 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 250678)
The 8 4/4 is a special axial flow power transmitter with a turbo. I like that.

Yea, it's probably that special trick device that makes them a damn bad assed Mopar. Wish they would make a street version of that DP..Think you can persuade them Mr. Jeff?

borninamopar 04-04-2011 08:17 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Go Mopar.

CycloneFE 04-05-2011 08:04 AM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 250678)
The 8 4/4 is a special axial flow power transmitter with a turbo. I like that.

But is it aluminum?

lstanford 04-05-2011 11:51 AM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by George Wright (Post 250663)
It also has the 8 4/4" rear end.

The rear end somewhat resembles the Ford 9 inch except for the paint.

Andys dad 04-05-2011 12:21 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CycloneFE (Post 250757)
But is it aluminum?

Yes the 8 4/4 has an aluminum center section and aluminum drive shaft

I think - I did not try a magnet on it but it looks like aluminum

mtkawboy 04-05-2011 01:47 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Theres a GM Powerglide, a Chrysler Mopowerglide and a Ford FOMOPowerglide. Rules, we dont need no stinking rules !

X-TECH MAN 04-05-2011 01:56 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mtkawboy (Post 250818)
Theres a GM Powerglide, a Chrysler Mopowerglide and a Ford FOMOPowerglide. Rules, we dont need no stinking rules !

Maybe its time to class stockers and S/S by cu. inch to shipping wt. rules. The HP rating deal isnt working. If they run a power adder of some sort then use DOUBLE the original cu, inches to figure the class. NO UGLY hood scoops other than factory produced. Just P&G em for a class or eliminator win and let them go. It sure couldnt cost any more than it does now to build a so called "stocker" motor. S/S is already there with the stuff they do.

novassdude 04-05-2011 03:28 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mtkawboy (Post 250818)
Theres a GM Powerglide, a Chrysler Mopowerglide and a Ford FOMOPowerglide. Rules, we dont need no stinking rules !

I am still waiting to here if Powerglide parts fit the other two.

CrateCamaro 04-05-2011 05:10 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by George Wright (Post 250663)
It also has the 8 4/4" rear end.

What kind of rear end is that? Is it independant? Never herd of a 8 4/4 before.

BlueOval Ralph 04-05-2011 05:13 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
A FORD 9 Inch doe's anybody have any idea when the 9 inch came out in Production??? Sept 1956 for the introduction of the 1957 Ford



Quote:

Originally Posted by CrateCamaro (Post 250864)
What kind of rear end is that? Is it independant? Never herd of a 8 4/4 before.


CrateCamaro 04-05-2011 05:15 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Wait a minute....a 8 4/4 is a 9in Ford? In a Dodge? In Stock Eliminator?

wow:eek:

X-TECH MAN 04-05-2011 05:30 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CrateCamaro (Post 250869)
Wait a minute....a 8 4/4 is a 9in Ford? In a Dodge? In Stock Eliminator?

wow:eek:

Yep.....sounds like a Super Stock car dosent it !

CrateCamaro 04-05-2011 05:39 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 250873)
Yep.....sounds like a Super Stock car dosent it !

Probably should be a superstock combo but who am I to say anything I have a crate motor stocker "bracket car" or as I was called "Bracket 2" I believe.

herbjr 04-05-2011 06:35 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
I have a Desoto that has a Powerflight 2 speed Mopar Transmission. SO if you want to get technical Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth and Desoto used these in the early 50's. Maybe the other racers need to do their homework.

I cant believe Teuton hasnt mentioned this.

Herb Jr

CrateCamaro 04-05-2011 06:54 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by herbjr (Post 250888)
I have a Desoto that has a Powerflight 2 speed Mopar Transmission. SO if you want to get technical Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth and Desoto used these in the early 50's. Maybe the other racers need to do their homework.

I cant believe Teuton hasnt mentioned this.

Herb Jr

So are you trying to say that because of this you can run a 2 speed behigned any combo in a Mopar?

X-TECH MAN 04-05-2011 07:22 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by herbjr (Post 250888)
I have a Desoto that has a Powerflight 2 speed Mopar Transmission. SO if you want to get technical Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth and Desoto used these in the early 50's. Maybe the other racers need to do their homework.

I cant believe Teuton hasnt mentioned this.

Herb Jr

He did......about a million posts back. My dad had one of those pieces of crap in a 55 Plymouth. Pure junk.

Bob Pagano 04-05-2011 07:49 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Call it what you want, if it quacks its a duck....they all use PG parts.

CrateCamaro 04-05-2011 08:15 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Pagano (Post 250899)
Call it what you want, if it quacks its a duck

Exactly

Frank make a mark on the calender for this one too ;)

Mike Coe 04-05-2011 08:23 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Kind of like 904 guts in a TH400 or TH350 case or a C6 case!! Quack, Quack!!!

Ed Wright 04-05-2011 09:26 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by herbjr (Post 250888)
I have a Desoto that has a Powerflight 2 speed Mopar Transmission. SO if you want to get technical Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth and Desoto used these in the early 50's. Maybe the other racers need to do their homework.

I cant believe Teuton hasnt mentioned this.

Herb Jr

Is the the same box? Or just the same number of gears? Powerglide parts did not fit the absolute piece of crap Powerflite.

Sean Cour 04-05-2011 09:32 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Coe (Post 250909)
Kind of like 904 guts in a TH400 or TH350 case or a C6 case!! Quack, Quack!!!

Kinda like a Jerico in anything other than a Ford....yeah, Quack, Quack!

Jeff Teuton 04-05-2011 09:37 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Anybody want to bet Dave Smith could put PG inerds in a PF?

Ed Wright 04-05-2011 09:51 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 250930)
Anybody want to bet Dave Smith could put PG inerds in a PF?

Yeah, but Jeff is that what it is? You know it's not. I can't run one of those light Torqueflites with the Chevy bolt pattern they use in Comp cars, even in my SS car. Can use a $6000.00 Pro Trans 350 Turbo with those guts installed. I'm surprised Chrysler had to use a GM trans and Ford 9" rear (sorry, meant 8.4") when they have Torqueflites and several rear ends. Also surprised they are allowed, especially in Stock. None of my business, don't have a dog in that fight. Just surprised. If I ran Stock against them I would be unhappy about it.

lstanford 04-05-2011 09:57 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CrateCamaro (Post 250864)
What kind of rear end is that? Is it independant? Never herd of a 8 4/4 before.

Quick, look up. There goes another flock.

herbjr 04-05-2011 10:36 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Dont hate the player hate the game, who approved that at NHRA?

Bernie Cunningham 04-05-2011 10:38 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Question:
If they came with 2 speeds are they ever allowed to go to a 3, maybe four, five speed auto in the future????????????????

Bernie Cunningham 04-06-2011 09:25 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Anybody ????????????????????

countrypuppy4865 04-06-2011 09:35 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Bernie,

My guess is that the current year model will only be allowed a 2 speed if that's all that was available. However, if they want to add a few gears all they will do is change it however they see fit for next years model!

Jeff Teuton 04-06-2011 09:57 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
The only T/F that will bolt to a V10 is the 89-91 diesel which was a 727 with a bigger bell for the very large converter in the diesel. To my knowledge there is one in America and it is Doc Fudge's Viper which is sitting in my shop. I also have a used piece from an old diesel. I ran it in my V10 truck in the 90.s. The way I understand it, the pg is the only thing you can run in the V10 cars. The T/F would probably be worth a lot more, but they have not made that trans in years, and Mopar needed 70 of them, hence the TCI PG. LIke the other drag packs, the 8 3/4 (not 8 4/4) that is used is a Moser 9' housing that is machined off and a plate with a Mopar 8 3/4 bolt pattern on it. I think you can run any 8 3/4 housing or the Moser in the DP's, but you can't use the Moser in other Mopars. It's approved in that car only, like the 9" in the V10 powered cars. The Fords have a PG also. Now for next years DP with the 392 Blower, I don't know what they will have, but the 392 accepts either a 904 or 727 trans. At least that is what I hear, but you never know.

Ed Wright 04-06-2011 10:05 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Interesting. Jeff always has the scoop.
So, the Viper block has a Chevy bolt pattern?

Bernie Cunningham 04-06-2011 11:16 PM

Re: V10 dodge
 
No worries, they'll come up with a factory approved adaptor plate, RIGHT !!!!!!!!

Kinda think they missed the ball on this though, would have thought that somehow they could have done at least a 3 speed cause they're gonna need 'em a few years down the road/track/AHFS/enhancement,whatever, etc.

Jeff Teuton 04-07-2011 10:01 AM

Re: V10 dodge
 
I agree, I would like to have seen something else. I know what to do with a T/F, but this glide is a new animal, although it seems simple, I mean 1-2. Even I understand that.

Harry 6674 04-07-2011 10:46 AM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Is the powerflite the one that required you to use the clutch to take off but not shift? There was a mopar trans like that before the clutchflite came about. Seems like early 50s.

Ed Wright 04-07-2011 10:49 AM

Re: V10 dodge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry 6674 (Post 251298)
Is the powerflite the one that required you to use the clutch to take off but not shift? There was a mopar trans like that before the clutchflite came about. Seems like early 50s.

No, my parents had one in a '56 Plymouth and a '60 model. It was a regular 2 speed automatic trans.


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