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I was on my way to dinner this saturday and was passing by the local car show. I look over and in traffic next to me is a nice 1965 belvedere with repro racing stickers on the windows and a div 1 number (keep in mind we live in az) with SS/B letters on the car. Plus his license plate read 65wedge. I asked him if he thought that was a REAL super stock car and to my suprise... HE SAID YES! In the course of our stop light encounter he tried convincing me it was a max wedge super stock car and a 4 speed. This bothered me alot thinking he is gonna talk to a large group of people telling them this car represents a super stock car. Since none of us go out much to shows (where large groups of spectators go) this is what they will think of when seeing a stock/superstock shoot out. Street cars with mufflers on bfg radials.. boring. Am i wrong for feeling offended? Its like someone buying a jersey and saying they play for the NFL. It just seems wrong to me.

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I'd laugh it off. There are lots of goofballs out there, gotta wonder sometimes where they get their information and cultivate their perceptions. If you run into him again, offer to pay his entry in the next S/SS combo race in your area. That would surely wake him up!


Sounds like that experience hit you like the word "restored" hits me. The true meaning of the word gets lost in so many "for sale" ads. Pretty interesting these days what some folks consider -restored-.

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I see this BS all the time at car shows. Most dont have a clue as to what a car really came with when new. I just shake my head and walk away when they start running their mouths. Why dont they just call it what it really is....a decent (sometimes) street machine.

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That car was on ebay a bunch of times, I guess there is a sucker born every minute. It clamed to be the last max wedge built but of course we know that was in 64. It mite have been the last 426 street wedge, single 4 car but I doubt it.

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A good percentage of the vintage musclecars I see at the local shows and driveins are owned by the buyers of the cars and the stories that came with them. I just listen, nod and choose my words carefully (a closed mouth gathers no feet) when answering questions about the equipment on the cars. Why be the bad guy to tell them they overpaid for the car? Besides in most of the cases the purchase price wasn't a $10k overpayment on the real worth. Most of what I've seen will be worth what they paid within a couple of years The story just came for free. Hey, it's not like they paid $1m plus for a genuine 1970 Division 1 SS/EA Chevelle, right?

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My favorite is the guy who tells you he has a 900hp small block under the hood and runs 15 second E.T.s

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I always like the bracket racer that changes the dial on the window for the tow home. Seen that one many times.

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How many more Sox and Martin cars have been for sale than Sox ever had?

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I was actually at an Easter car parade on LI yesterday afternoon when I heard a major rumbling going on and a crowd around it. To my surprise was his plate which read Max Wdge. It was a 63 Max Wedge black, red interior, push butoon auto. factory manifolds with cut outs under openned, and yes the 2 inch tail pipes. I got to speak to him and his wife, nice people wish i remembered their names. He said it has a John Shaul engine in it. sounded and smelled sweet. Said he has a 66 Bevedere it sleeps next to in garage, lol.
Also spoke to a lady w a 72 GS350 car that noone in her family wants to inherit, can you believe it. Said sh'll eventually sell to a neighbor. She commuted 19 years in it. nice driver and 30 footer but damn, its all original w 180,000 miles and trans was just rebuilt last year and new exhaust w flowmasters so it sounds as good as it looks. Some old timers do get it right. No I'm not that old yet 46, just respect those who are. Chris.

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LOL! When I was a kid, I did that.

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Every Street dude's Small Block Chevy had to have "4-Bolt Mains and Fuelie Heads" before the modern era of crate motors...

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due to the increased gas prices you will see more SS & Stock racers using this kind of tow rig, lol

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You should have asked if it had a "Full race cam" in it!
LOL

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Since you saw it in Arizona I'll share this little tidbit, A few years ago Dave Wren sold his Original lightweight Winter Nationals winning max wedge 63 Plymouth to a fellow in Arizona and the new owner enjoyed driving it to local car show's after he put exhaust on it.Now that SS/BA on the window was real, LOL

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Sounds like you may have met Chris Baum ,he's from that area and has several original 426 cars that I've done restored pushbutton transmissions for.
He's the guy who won the last Pinks at Maple Grove in a Ramcharger car when the other guy rolled the beams when he staged .

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Don Schilt from Long Island "Predator" Roadrunner won that one in Maple Grove in May 2010 against New Yorker Chris Baum's Belvedere when New Yorker Eddie Booke in his Camaro rolled on a single.

I had to wash the shoe polish off my fathers car to get it back in the driveway before my father noticed it gone and hide the trophy from NEW York National Speedway.

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Some guys have 3/4 race cams in their powerplants. Great idea to save wear and tear on 4 valves and 4 valve springs.!!!!!!!!!!

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The thing is a 1965 Plymouth Max Wedge "is" a true Super Stock Car, as the factory built "Super Stock" cars. All descriptions of Super Stock cars are those cars not a car with all of the modifications you see acceptable today and still be a Super Stock car.

I am guessing that the 65 Plymouth driven by Bill Jenkins at the 65 Winter Nationals was incorrectly classed as S/SA or the cars driven by Ronnie Sox SS/B, Bud Faubel. Why would you want to criticize the man about his car if you did not know all about the car. There are at least four of these "true" max wedge, cross ram cars, 4 speed cars and one with the lightweight front fenders, at shows and on the street in the Raleigh, North Carolina area. Kind of funny isn't it to day people still don't want to accept the factory MOPAR cars as "Super Stock" cars.

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My cousin has a 70 Challenger with SS numbers on the window and a ton of stickers like a S/SS car would have. But it has a blower and dual quads sticking out of the hood. He loves to take it to car shows and tell people it's an ex racecar. What a joke, and what a piece of crap.

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The last "MAX WEDGE" was built sometime around the end of March1964. The 64 Hemi drag cars were "formally" anounced around March the 9th 1964 even though they ran a single 4 Hemi steel Hard Top car at Daytona in NASCAR in Febuary 1964. The 65 Ply and Dodge was never avaliable as a Max wedge in any body style. Only as a 426 STREET wedge or smaller combos. It was just an over grown 383 with one AFB. The class designations and wt breaks changed between 1965 and 1968. The 65 cars were the top of the mountian cars in 1965. Thus S/SA (not SS/A) like Jenkins (Black Arrow) drove or S/S with a stick....All were Hemis and 2 dr post cars. The 68 cars were also the top of the heap for 68. NHRA had a SS/A (not S/SA) class that was never contested. None of the manufactures ever made a car to fit the SS/A class in 1968 thus the Hemi 'Cudas and Darts ran SS/B and SS/BA for that year then went into SS/A for 1969 when the original 1968 SS/A class was dropped due to no participation.

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Mike , your right ,he did R/U.
I dont pay much attention to Pinks , but somebody mentioned he was in the final ,so I watched.

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I do not think they were not the Baums. I don't remember their name, ugh. Nice older couple in their 70's. I am sure they don't race at all now. He is very proud of who built the engine and thats tops in my book. Told me to send my best to Mr. Shaul if I get to meet him at a meet. I'm so embarressed I did not jot their name down. I did not get to ask if he raced it when he was younger, and car was younger too, lol. This is in Garden City, Long Island so I know they did not drive far, local people. You never know what one has tucked away.
I really enjoy this site and all it has to offer in knowledge.

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Absolutly !

No Max Wedge were put in '65 cars, 426 street wedges rated at 365hp with a single 4bbl.

JimR

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http://public.fotki.com/tk3300/redoing_our_1968_ss/

http://public.fotki.com/fwd3300/rebuilding-our-68-c/

Here is a link to our restored 68 Camaro. Ran ss/ha from 72 to 75 Winternationals.

I cann't say we are having as much fun going to car shows, but when your done racing it's better than setting home watching T.V.

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[QUOTE=TOM KASCH;

I cann't say we are having as much fun going to car shows, but when your done racing it's better than setting home watching T.V.[/QUOTE]

X's 2......Your Camaro looks really nice. Enjoy....quitting racing isnt the end of life as we know it.

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How is your Max Wedge coming Jim? With the high cost of diesel and gas for towing maybe building a nice pump gas street combo would be the way to go. I do remember them being hard on gas though when new and only running 3.91 gears for the couple of guys who drove them on the street back in the day. But boy were they ever fast and could whip a 409 pretty easy.

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If that car truly did run 15's, I'd like to race it heads up, then tell him afterwards that my car is factored at 125hp, and truly has just a tad more than that....that would be funny (especially if I won?)!!!

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Dvorak has the short block and I have all the parts except a driveshaft ready to go but a severe thunderstorm came through about 4 weeks ago and blew the roof and back wall off my garage and ruining a number of parts.

I do have a low compression 440 shortblock set aside for the day I can't go on with this madness any more.

I had the car on the street at one time, it got 4 to 6 mpg, idled at 30 mph and overheated a lot.

JimR

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Sorry to hear about the storm doing damage. Ouch on the gas milage....that remids me of my old 435 HP Vette at 4 1/2 MPG with a 4.88 gear. When you see Dan again please tell him I said hi.