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Records seem to be filling up with minimums. H is open but until i can set it with a respectable number I won't try. Ed

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Ed, I think that would be the results of not being able to run your car out to set a record with out getting your combo hit with HP. Guess we can start a 1000' record club to see who really is the bad ***** in each class. I personaly belive there should be points or other rewards for records. Also could the results of the THEYS who ever THEY are that wants s/ss to be more of a et class instead of a performance base class like it always has. I would like to see class winners at national events get to race I don't care how fast they are.Just my wishes.

Jeff Colvert
SS/G 4456

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Does anyone else agree with me that all records should stand until someone breaks them? Is there a good reason they go back to a minimum? Am I missing something?
Ted

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They should. I think it'd be much more interesting to scan down the list and see that nobody has gone faster since 1989 or whenever. Or that the class is just that sparsely populated.

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Jeff, back when my hair was still brown ET records were 200 points (2 rounds at that time) MPH records were 100 points. I agree, records should be penalty free should be awarded points and should stand until broken. But, they never ask me. LOL!

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I'm with you on this one Mark! Congrats on the record! I meant to call you, I still may. Good job. Jim



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All points are excellent. There should be points for ET & MPH record as well as #1 qualifying position. Records should stand for ever!
I could have easily set the D/S record as I had the E/S record. But some "Equal Opportunity" racers got NHRA to have a maximum 11 month record at the time (since rescinded and back to two years). I was capable of 10.50's and did so at NHRA events. But I wasn't going to go through the arse ache of tear down for 11 months on the books only to have it go back to minimum and have somebody set the record at 11.00.
I set the AF/S record in 1994 and it took almost ten years for somebody to better it. Like Tom P said, it would make for interesting discussion to see something on the books for years on end. It may even inspire somebody to build a car with one purpose in mind; to take that long standing record.
Look at the Summer Brothers Golden Rod. How long was that LSR record of 406? 30 years or more? That's another point. LSR records last until taken. That would be a great policy.
When I get my car done, I'm going to do something I've always wanted to do. I want the record in all classs'es the car qualifies; at the same time. That would be SS/G-H-I. Until I get the car out of prison it's just a fantasy!
So Jeff C. and Ed...you've got plenty of breathing room!
Now we just have to figure how to set records without a super HP penalty. That is another subject though...

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Jeff what was your car convicted of, seems like a life sentence:eek:...Thanx Trevor

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The main reason that the records are only for 2 years is because they do not set them back to a minimum if the combo is refactored. Say a record is set today at Maple grove and the combo gets hit 20 hp in the next year or 2, even though that car may not make that class anymore or must carry more weight, the record still stands until it is broken or 2 years have passed. It may not sound/be perfectly fair, but it saves alot of work in the tech dept.

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I agree with Jeff about records and qualifying paying points. A record, if you set both ends, should pay points. So should a contested class win. Qualifying should pay points through tenth position. And a heads up win should pay double points for the round.

As far as records standing, they should return to the minimum at 2 years, for several reasons.

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I think the only problem would be bogus cars. Say GM came out with a Camaro with a 502 rated at 250hp (not that I think 502's make any more than that) and hit every record from M to AA as power got added and attended every Points Meet and National open getting enough points to win the championship without ever winning a round.

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People would have a better reason to get off their tails deal with those situations, and it would be very difficult to win a championship without winning a round.

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Jeff just to fill you in Mr. Colvert can run in the 30's with that Stang. So you better have both barrels loaded to run with that car!!!!!! Ed

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Bonneville salt racing is looking better all the time. Just sayin'.

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You would go into sticker shock at the entrance when they said $15 a day or $50 for all week to watch 478 {so far} of the fastest cars in the world race

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I would like to see it. You collect 5 points per record set for 10 total. The recond has to be under index not .5 under and you can get points on a max of 2 records set in one year. Set as many as you want but get points for only two. After qualifying, get in the record lane, then get your shot at the record, no HP etc. Record stands for 2 years then back to min. make a show of it, I can hear the PA "These racers here are going after the respected records, they get there one shot to see!!"

Then you get pts for the top 16 in qualifying. You could get points for winning each rd of class eleminations with a final win getting 1 extra point. There are many ways to gather points for performance. But we all know who would have to allow it and do it..

Just allot of ideas from a time gone by......

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I've posted this before, but here it is again.

We need change the format for class racing.

Every event needs to have ONE round of qualifying, then go into class eliminations, that way everyone, even the "singles", gets a time shot in each lane.

Whether or not they leave the "combo" for one car classes in place, I'm neutral on. At least it would pay points for some of the singles.

Class should pay 20 points per contested round win. And an extra 20 for the class win, so the winner of the final round gets 40 points.

Qualifying should pay on a graduated scale from #1 to # 10, with #1 getting at least 20 points, but no more than 40 points.

A heads up win during final eliminations should pay double points for the round. Or a 20 to 40 point bonus.

A record, more than .75 under the index, should pay 100 points, if both ends of the record are set. The same car cannot get points for a record in the same class twice in a row. So you cannot set a record soft, and reset it several times for extra points. If you set it, it has to be reset by another car before you can get points for resetting it yourself.

That would return a lot of performance type racing to the class, without making it impossible for anyone but the fastest and best funded to win a race or a championship. With the AHFS, it would also push the bogus stuff toward correct factoring a lot faster.

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We have never had a record reset, only retired and returned to a minimum...

If a record was set in the past and the car that set the record got HP, the record returned to the minimum....

In the past we also had to qualify for the World Finals by finishing in the top ten of our division....and we got points for records...

But that was then and this is now......

We have become the lowest common denominator of racing....

The records will be soft until a balance can be struck between the go fast guys, bracket style guys, NHRA and the money to fund sufficient technical inspectors to enforce the rules..

Just my opinion,
Bob

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Apparently so. It went in for a minor civil infraction. I guess she got nasty when one of the other inmates tried to violate her in some way (she wont tell me what, so it must not be pretty). But being the fighter she is, she fought hard and as a result, received a felony conviction. So the 6-9 month sentence has turned into 4+ years. :(
Luckily, I get a conjugal visit about once a month. ;)
And when she gets out, she will be all new. The use of the gym and workout facilities will have made her meaner under the hood and stronger in the rear with more bulging rear sections.
Yes, her family awaits her return!

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I like it!

Ed, I don't see that as a problem..:eek:
But it IS a problem that I'm not out there! I'm putting a lot more pressure on the shop. I want it done this season, not next. Been long enough!